Pakistan-A real market for the Mirage 2000-9 ?

[ejaz007]

Even if PAF re evaluates the jets as is strongly suggested in this thread, would it make sense to buy these Mirages knowing fully well the enemy against whom these planes will be used has extensive knowledge of this platform?

If these planes are to be used as ground attack planes then even enemy having extensive knowledge does not make any difference. If these are to be used as interceptor then this is a strong point.

Personally I favor because these planes shall improve strike quality of the PAF.

 

[airmarshal]

If these planes are to be used as ground attack planes then even enemy having extensive knowledge does not make any difference. If these are to be used as interceptor then this is a strong point.

Personally I favor because these planes shall improve strike quality of the PAF.

I agree. having said this, Mirage 2000 and Jf-17 are no comparison. Mirage is a much more capable and mature platform.

 

[ejaz007]

I agree. having said this, Mirage 2000 and Jf-17 are no comparison. Mirage is a much more capable and mature platform.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Storm Force]

Mirage2000 -9 ARE same level as the F16MLU/52 give or take 5% depending on scenario of action

 

[airmarshal]

Mirage2000 -9 ARE same level as the F16MLU/52 give or take 5% depending on scenario of action

No! Mirage is inferior to block 52. Its engine performance is not at par with F-16 of any version. Its payload capacity is also hampered as Mirage is a fuel guzzler and has to carry two 2000 litre tanks.

As for other electronics, its newer Damocles targeting pod is also inferior to Sniper XR and Goodrich DB-110 that F-16 MLU or blk 52 can carry.

Compare this for yourself

 

[MastanKhan]

Even if PAF re evaluates the jets as is strongly suggested in this thread, would it make sense to buy these Mirages knowing fully well the enemy against whom these planes will be used has extensive knowledge of this platform?

Sir,

The reason you want to buy these planes is that with your superior training and capabilities---you want to take out the pride of the enemy----the M2K's----you need to shatter the psyche of a larger enemy---you take it out with his quipment---you smash his pride---you create uncertainty in his mind---.

Gentlemen----fighting a war means that you have to think out of the box---in order for you to move 2 steps forward---you have to step 2 steps back---. You have to play mind games with the enemy.

The purchase of M2K9 by pakistan would be mind blowing to some in the IAF---. Paktan must not miss this oppurtunity.

It is just like someone took away your time tested and trusting partner--.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Wouldn't it require French approval for re-export? I really don't see this happening. We already have too much on our plate to integrate and operationalize.

we have decent working relations with the French in the past....they know Pakistan is a long-time user and expert now on older Mirage platform

without guarantee of ToT (something along the lines of PAC's rebuild facility for Mirage) I dont see any such deal going down

I'll be sad anyways to see Mirage-III/V retired - but their time is up and they have to be moth-balled

Even if PAF re evaluates the jets as is strongly suggested in this thread, would it make sense to buy these Mirages knowing fully well the enemy against whom these planes will be used has extensive knowledge of this platform?

we've had trainers and other personnel in UAE for quite some time and I'm sure our pilots and techies have gotten PLENTY of good looks at the aircrafts....flying experience - doubt it but full working knowledge on capabilities and shortfalls - absolutely

 

[Talha Mateen]

Have anything finalizes with Egypt, Qatar and UAE yet???

 

[Storm Force]

Master Khan

Why would PAF buy a fighter (mirage2000-9) for probale cost of over $20 million each PLUS the headache of hyper expensive FRENCH weapons which will need to be procured if as you say

THE F16 is superior.

Surely it makes sense to buy withy grant aid the trusted superior F16 from USA or second hand from NATO natiions.

FOR A COUNTRY so challenged on resources its a BIG DECISION

 

[TOPGUN]

Master Khan

Why would PAF buy a fighter (mirage2000-9) for probale cost of over $20 million each PLUS the headache of hyper expensive FRENCH weapons which will need to be procured if as you say

THE F16 is superior.

Surely it makes sense to buy withy grant aid the trusted superior F16 from USA or second hand from NATO natiions.

FOR A COUNTRY so challenged on resources its a BIG DECISION

One more time and for the last time no f-16's were given as aid , all vipers were bought with PAF funds thank you .

 

[The SC]

How long we discuss this topic, UAE should dump these plane in the sea and end this story......Pakistan will not take these plane even UAE offer free.....Pakistan can't afford MLUs , plus opening another multimillion dollar venture for the maintenance of very few planes...............make no sense at all.......

They can be stored as reserve by Pakistan if they are offered for a very low price, these are some very potent fighters for some specific missions, and they were already flown and maintained by Pakistanis in the UAE.

Even if PAF re evaluates the jets as is strongly suggested in this thread, would it make sense to buy these Mirages knowing fully well the enemy against whom these planes will be used has extensive knowledge of this platform?

They do not have that extensive knowledge of the 2K-9, they are just upgrading to that level.

 

[MastanKhan]

Master Khan

Why would PAF buy a fighter (mirage2000-9) for probale cost of over $20 million each PLUS the headache of hyper expensive FRENCH weapons which will need to be procured if as you say

THE F16 is superior.

Surely it makes sense to buy withy grant aid the trusted superior F16 from USA or second hand from NATO natiions.

FOR A COUNTRY so challenged on resources its a BIG DECISION

Hi,

I gave the reasoning one more time in the last post---.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

One more time and for the last time no f-16's were given as aid , all vipers were bought with PAF funds thank you .

you are replying to a dimwit

 

[KalaGhoda]

IF these are for sale depending on Dassault and UAE, India should grab these. Still these are a good deal, We can juggle this with Dassault Rafale deal ! Add a weapons package and see the money coming in home to roost !

But honestly, these are not going to be cheap, UAE will not loose much on these birds. Such will be the deal with Dassault.

 

[The SC]

UAE opted for F-16 block 60, so they will be no Rafale purchase, these birds will be available to Pakistan at a low cost, looking at what tings look like in the Arab world and some Indian hegemonic ambitions on the Arabian sea being perceived there. There is also the question of India-Usrael ties at secret levels and what is happening in the middle east.
In the worst case scenario these birds will be sold to other Arab countries.