President of the UAE is talking about selling Mirage 2000-9 to Greece.

[Sapei]

How are they more advanced? They have Block 30/40/50/50+
We have 30/50/52+/52+ Adv. and already 2 F-16Vs


You're betting a lot on the KE. Plus by that time,we might even have the first F-35.

My mistake, I thought the Block 52 upgrade was underway - but it seems like it has already been completed.

KE is the most interesting project in air combat in the world. Rightly it must receive a lot of attention as it could change a lot in air combat. The company behind KE is known to shock the world with their innovation and technology.

If Greece orders F-35, it won't receive them by 2025. Towards the end of this decade is more realistic - at which point, KE will have matured even more and TF-X will be in limited serial production.

As I said, with the current plans of both air forces, TuAF and HAF will stay competitive

 

[Foinikas]

The company behind KE is known to shock the world with their innovation and technology.

Baykar?

 

[Sapei]

Baykar?

Yes

 

[Akritas]

This is due to the fact that Turkey has the numerical advantage and their F-16s are slightly more advanced than HAFs at this current time.

The advantage is insignificant.......
Turkey at the present has 245 aircrafts and Greece has 202.
What is important is the availability and adequacy-supply of spare parts......

 

[Foinikas]

Yes

Yes,but it's one thing making UAVs and another something like this. It depends of course,if it will work or not. We'll see.

 

[Trango Towers]

@Foinikas cry baby. Started it and ran to the mods. What a coward.
@Amaa'n your profile pic has middle finger showing to the whole nation...lovely mindset. Excellent example.

So @Amaa'n once again you give me a warning when the Greek started it. Did you give him a warning? Ofcourse not

YOU ARE THE WORST MOD HERE. THIS IS PERSONAL AND IT SHOWS WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE. WHEN LITTLE PEOPLE GET POWER THEY ABUSE IT.
THE GREEK EVEN ADMIDDTED TO @waz THAT HE STARTED BY USING ABUSIVE LANGUAGE post #30. BUT I GUESS YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES WITH ME OVERRIDE THAT.

WORST OFF ALL YOU GAVE A WARNING AND CLOSED THE THREAD. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONER AND MIDNIGHT COURT.

LAST TIME YOU BANNED ME FOR A MONTH OVER WHAT? WHEN I RETURNED I LAUGHED AT YOU AND YOU STAYED SILENT.
GO AHEAD BAN ME . IT WILL GIVE YOU PLEASURE. PAKISTANIS CAN BE ABUSED ITS FINE. WHEN WE HIT BACK WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE U...

PATHETIC MOD. Notice the Greek complained to @waz and you @Amaa'n gave me a warning....laughable isn't it

 

[Amaa'n]

@Foinikas cry baby. Started it and ran to the mods. What a coward.
@Amaa'n your profile pic has middle finger showing to the whole nation...lovely mindset. Excellent example.

So @Amaa'n once again you give me a warning when the Greek started it. Did you give him a warning? Ofcourse not

YOU ARE THE WORST MOD HERE. THIS IS PERSONAL AND IT SHOWS WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE. WHEN LITTLE PEOPLE GET POWER THEY ABUSE IT.
THE GREEK EVEN ADMIDDTED TO @waz THAT HE STARTED BY USING ABUSIVE LANGUAGE post #30. BUT I GUESS YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES WITH ME OVERRIDE THAT.

WORST OFF ALL YOU GAVE A WARNING AND CLOSED THE THREAD. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONER AND MIDNIGHT COURT.

LAST TIME YOU BANNED ME FOR A MONTH OVER WHAT? WHEN I RETURNED I LAUGHED AT YOU AND YOU STAYED SILENT.
GO AHEAD BAN ME . IT WILL GIVE YOU PLEASURE. PAKISTANIS CAN BE ABUSED ITS FINE. WHEN WE HIT BACK WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE U...

PATHETIC MOD. Notice the Greek complained to @waz and you @Amaa'n gave me a warning....laughable isn't it

every 2 -3 days i will sit down and clear the backlog of Reports by users, sometimes am clearing 120-130 reports in a day. My task is simple resolve the report. Fonikas reported a post and it was found to be in violation hence appropriate action was taken. I did not see any report from your side against any other member. if there is, it will be actioned once i get to it.

Forum administration has made a documented sop for junior mods (those with red name tag) to take action against a comment only if there is a report against it. Senior Mods are authorized to take action against anyone in the absence of a report....
sometime junior mods such as myself will report a post just to take action against it....

 

[MMM-E]

6 Rafale no,but by the end of the year they might be around 10 with some 8-9 F-16Vs. That does tip the balance in the air. Mirage 2000-5 Mk2,Rafale F3Rs,F-16Vs,F-16 Block 52+/Block 52+ Adv.

İf Greece buys 24 Rafale Fighter Jets

Turkiye bought 192 S400 Air Defense Missiles with range of 250-380 km to hit Rafales
What a game changer weapon .....

And when you run out of spare parts how will you fly them?

Turkiye has stored spare parts that to use for years against a possible embargo.

and Turkiye has its own defense industy to produce spare parts
even Iran still flying with F-14s


also Turkish AKINCI , HURJET , KIZILELMA which will be used in most operations
that means less flight hours for F-16s and less spare parts requirement for F-16s

also Turkiye to use S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems instead of F-16s to protect Turkish Airspace

 

[MMM-E]

1- the failure of the Ozgur program to modernize the old F-16s,
But even if Ozgur move forward, it can cover only 30 aircraft, because Turkey has the source codes for F-16 block 30 and was able to integrate national avionics and systems.
But not the code from the old ones.

OZGUR program : 35 F-16 block30s to block70 standard

and 2 months ago , Serial production phase started in F-16 OZGRR modernization


Head of Defense Industry Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, 10 August 2022

We definitely do the F-16 modernization ourselves. And we do very well.
In addition, mission computer and other elements avionics which are fully equipped with national systems, can be put into use as a completely domestic system.

This was brought to a place with our OZGUR Project in the Block 30s.
to be implemented in the block 40s and 50s. "We have no doubts about that”

Özgür Projesi, F-16 Block 40 ve 50’ye uygulanabilecek

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı İsmail Demir, Haber Global'de düzenlenen "Kayıt Altında Özel" programında F-16 Özgür projesi hakkında açıklamada bulundu. T.C. Cumhurbaşkanlığı

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Trango Towers]

every 2 -3 days i will sit down and clear the backlog of Reports by users, sometimes am clearing 120-130 reports in a day. My task is simple resolve the report. Fonikas reported a post and it was found to be in violation hence appropriate action was taken. I did not see any report from your side against any other member. if there is, it will be actioned once i get to it.

Forum administration has made a documented sop for junior mods (those with red name tag) to take action against a comment only if there is a report against it. Senior Mods are authorized to take action against anyone in the absence of a report....
sometime junior mods such as myself will report a post just to take action against it....

Did u now look at post #30 and did u take action..

If you didn't then you are extremely bias and should not be doing this job. I await your reply

Last time you banned me for a month for no reason other than your own because I stood up for Pakistan and spoke against bajwa. Now everyone is speaking against 2 bit treterous generals. Did you give them 1 month bans? You cannot behave like this.


PS @waz @The Eagle @WebMaster the middle finger on your DP is offensive and u should take action against your self and ban yourself. But one rule for us and one for mod...

 

[MMM-E]

Greece until the end of 2027, will have 24 Rafale, 83 F-16V, a total number of 107 aircrafts of 4.5 generation fighters, and Turkey......NONE.
Already by the end of this year, Greece will have 12 Rafale and 12 F-16V.

Turkiye is not sleeping
Until 2027 , Turkiye will have 114+40 F-16s 4,5 gen Fighters

-- 35 OZGUR modernized F-16 block70
-- 79 F-16 block40 and block50 will be modernized to block70 standard with American or Turkish kits

also 40 new F-16V on agenda
also S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems to block all Aegean .....

also until 2027 , Dozens of KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets

-- AESA Radar and EOTS
-- to carry air to air missiles in the Internal weapon station for stealth flight capability

 

[MMM-E]

How are they more advanced? They have Block 30/40/50/50+
We have 30/50/52+/52+ Adv. and already 2 F-16Vs

As of 2022 , of course Turkish F-16 fleet superior to Hellenic Airforce F-16s


Turkiye spent $3,9 billion to modernize 163 F-16s to block52 standard ... also 29 F-16 block50+ in service

-- 163 F-16 block52 ( CCIP modernization )
-- 29 F-16 block50+
-- 35 F-16 block30 .. ( under OZGUR modernization for block70 standard )

CCIP MODERNIZATION
AN/APG-68(V)9 Radar
Link-16 System
Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suite (SPEWS II)
Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVG)
Modular Mission Computer
Advanced interrogator/transponder
Integrated precision navigation
LCD Color MFDs
Improved AVTR System
Multifunctional Information Distribution System
High speed Anti-Radar Missile Targeting System


Hellenic Airforce F-16s lacks land attack cruise missile
on the other hand , Turkish Air Force F-16s armed with 280km SLAM-ER and SOM land attack cruise missiles

 

[Foinikas]

Until 2027 , Turkiye will have 114+40 F-16s 4,5 gen Fighters

How? The way things are going with you buying more S-400s and acting like a spoiled child,USA and most of the other members of NATO don't trust you. You can't upgrade you F-16s without U.S. permission.

Hellenic Airforce F-16s lacks land attack cruise missile

That's why we have Mirage 2000-5 Mk.II and Rafale. And if we buy the Mirage 2000-9 from UAE,we will add to that fleet.
There are more Scalp EG arriving with the Rafale deal,just like Meteor and MICA.

on the other hand , Turkish Air Force F-16s armed with 280km SLAM-ER and SOM land attack cruise missiles

Blah blah blah SOM,SLAM-ER the same stuff again and again.

also until 2027 , Dozens of KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets

-- AESA Radar and EOTS
-- to carry air to air missiles in the Internal weapon station for stealth flight capability

First flight in 2025 and "dozens" by 2027 produced? We'll see. If it works and if you can produce it in big numbers by then.

As of 2022 , of course Turkish F-16 fleet superior to Hellenic Airforce F-16s


Turkiye spent $3,9 billion to modernize 163 F-16s to block52 standard ... also 29 F-16 block50+ in service

You're still thinking it's superior? Have the balls to admit that you've fallen behind,just like we've admitted we've fallen behind in the navy.

Turkiye has stored spare parts that to use for years against a possible embargo.

and Turkiye has its own defense industy to produce spare parts
even Iran still flying with F-14s

The way you are flying your F-16s needlessly every day just to provoke us and raise tensions,your stockpile won't last for "years". Of course,that depends what you mean. Years as in 2-3 years or years as in 10-20.

Turkey could end like Iran flying old F-16s,trying to maintain and upgrade them locally with alchemies and cannibalism.
If more sanctions are imposed,your Air Force will become like the Iranian Air Force in a few years and you'll only rely on UCAVs.

 

[Foinikas]

@Foinikas cry baby. Started it and ran to the mods. What a coward.
@Amaa'n your profile pic has middle finger showing to the whole nation...lovely mindset. Excellent example.

So @Amaa'n once again you give me a warning when the Greek started it. Did you give him a warning? Ofcourse not

YOU ARE THE WORST MOD HERE. THIS IS PERSONAL AND IT SHOWS WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE. WHEN LITTLE PEOPLE GET POWER THEY ABUSE IT.
THE GREEK EVEN ADMIDDTED TO @waz THAT HE STARTED BY USING ABUSIVE LANGUAGE post #30. BUT I GUESS YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES WITH ME OVERRIDE THAT.

WORST OFF ALL YOU GAVE A WARNING AND CLOSED THE THREAD. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONER AND MIDNIGHT COURT.

LAST TIME YOU BANNED ME FOR A MONTH OVER WHAT? WHEN I RETURNED I LAUGHED AT YOU AND YOU STAYED SILENT.
GO AHEAD BAN ME . IT WILL GIVE YOU PLEASURE. PAKISTANIS CAN BE ABUSED ITS FINE. WHEN WE HIT BACK WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE U...

PATHETIC MOD. Notice the Greek complained to @waz and you @Amaa'n gave me a warning....laughable isn't it

Stop complaining,I didn't start anything. You acted like a jerk,I talked to you politely,you kept acting like a jerk and I said "you talk out of your ***". Then you went crazy,insulting,mocking and using racial slur.

Stop complaining,you are the one who always starts trouble and ends up insulting others and using bad language. That's why you get banned every month. If anyone reads the post history,he will see how it all started by you trying to flame again.

 

[MMM-E]

How? The way things are going with you buying more S-400s and acting like a spoiled child,USA and most of the other members of NATO don't trust you. You can't upgrade you F-16s without U.S. permission.

Who cares about terrorist supporter USA and France ? Nobody
We don't trust them

USA doesnt sell PATRIOT , even maybe F-16V
France blocked agreement between EUROSAM and Turkiye to develop AD System

still they are crying about S400s ...

USA-France wants to turn Turkish Air Force into another İranian Air Force


F-16s are belong to Turkiye and we will do what we want
No need any permission ... if no American kits , then there Turkish kits for block70 standard

Head of Defense Industry Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, 10 August 2022

We definitely do the F-16 modernization ourselves. And we do very well.
In addition, mission computer and other elements avionics which are fully equipped with national systems, can be put into use as a completely domestic system.

This was brought to a place with our OZGUR Project in the Block 30s.
to be implemented in the block 40s and 50s. "We have no doubts about that”