Pakistan-A real market for the Mirage 2000-9 ?

[Storm Force]

My ESTIMATION of Cost of acquring those 68 Mirage2000-9

Regardless of who buys them

$20m per planes x 68 = $1.4 billion

Cost of Weapons estimated $600-800 million (mica bvr costs $500,000 each)

Cost of service and induction into PAF GCC & awacs and comms around $500 million.

Estimated TOTAL COST $2.5 BILLION

Fantastic plane would be the most potent in PAF arsenal if it cam along side your 18 BLOCK 52s

BUT THE COST ????

SAME PICTURE DIFFERENT CAMO

THIS IS WHAT INDIAND PAID TO UPGRADE AND GET NEW WEAPONS FOR THEIR 51 MIRAGE 2000 FIGHTERS

ABSOLUTE RIP OFF

 

[Kompromat]

My ESTIMATION of Cost of acquring those 68 Mirage2000-9

Regardless of who buys them

$20m per planes x 68 = $1.4 billion

Cost of Weapons estimated $600-800 million (mica bvr costs $500,000 each)

Cost of service and induction into PAF GCC & awacs and comms around $500 million.

Estimated TOTAL COST $2.5 BILLION

Fantastic plane would be the most potent in PAF arsenal if it cam along side your 18 BLOCK 52s

BUT THE COST ????

SAME PICTURE DIFFERENT CAMO

THIS IS WHAT INDIAND PAID TO UPGRADE AND GET NEW WEAPONS FOR THEIR 51 MIRAGE 2000 FIGHTERS

ABSOLUTE RIP OFF

We don't need any air to air missiles. We will integrate AIM-120C AMRAAMs to these jets if we buy them up or can also decide to pick up surplus UAEAF Mica rounds. The point is that we are not going to buy 'new' rounds since we already have enough.

 

[greatone]

We don't need any air to air missiles. We will integrate AIM-120C AMRAAMs to these jets if we buy them up or can also decide to pick up surplus UAEAF Mica rounds. The point is that we are not going to buy 'new' rounds since we already have enough.

What the hell is a surplus Mica round ?
Why would UAE sell an amazing and uber expensive missile like MICA ?

 

[Kompromat]

What the hell is a surplus Mica round ?
Why would UAE sell an amazing and uber expensive missile like MICA ?

If UAE doesn't buy Rafales which seems to be the case, almost all of their French made armament will become surplus since the Lockheed Martin has refused to integrate them on the F-16 Block 60/61 Desert Falcons.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

get more f-16s... MLU then n rock n roll

 

[greatone]

If UAE doesn't buy Rafales which seems to be the case, almost all of their French made armament will become surplus since the Lockheed Martin has refused to integrate them on the F-16 Block 60/61 Desert Falcons.

I think you are wrong on two counts.

1. Mica is already integrated with F-16 E block 60.
F-16 Fighting Falcon Multirole Fighter - Airforce Technology

2. PAF does not have any platform capable of firing MICA.

get more f-16s... MLU then n rock n roll

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Its a Typhoon, not F-16

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its a Typhoon, not F-16

Are you blind?...... Thts a PAF F-16 blk 52+...


@Aeronaut the JHMCS looks sexy as hell!!

 

[Kompromat]

I think you are wrong on two counts.

1. Mica is already integrated with F-16 E block 60.
F-16 Fighting Falcon Multirole Fighter - Airforce Technology

2. PAF does not have any platform capable of firing MICA.

Either you deliberately chose to ignore my post or you are simply incapable of comprehending it.

• MICA can be integrated with the Block-60 however the LM won't allow it, just like they didn't allow Black Shaheen integration to the Block-60 because they wanted to sell their own Stand off Weapons to UAEAF.
  
  
• UAEAF doesn't need MICA on Block-60 either since they have far superior AMRAAMs and AIM-9X which are fully sensor fused with their Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System.
  
  
• If PAF acquires the UAEAF Mirage-2000-9 fleet and UAEAF refuses to buy the Rafale, it means that PAF may be able to buy UAEAF's Black Shaheen ALCM and MICA inventory since the UAEAF won't need it anymore.
  
  
• JF-17s can also be integrated with MICA so can be our F-16s, if we wanted to.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

PAF F-16 MLU

 

[T-123456]

Either you deliberately chose to ignore my post or you are simply incapable of comprehending it.

• MICA can be integrated with the Block-60 however the LM won't allow it, just like they didn't allow Black Shaheen integration to the Block-60 because they wanted to sell their own Stand off Weapons to UAEAF.
  
  
• UAEAF doesn't need MICA on Block-60 either since they have far superior AMRAAMs and AIM-9X which are fully sensor fused with their Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System.
  
  
• If PAF acquires the UAEAF Mirage-2000-9 fleet and UAEAF refuses to buy the Rafale, it means that PAF may be able to buy UAEAF's Black Shaheen ALCM and MICA inventory since the UAEAF won't need it anymore.
  
  
• JF-17s can also be integrated with MICA so can be our F-16s, if we wanted to.

So why buy those Mirages?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So why buy those Mirages?

Yup... they add no additional capability ... better get more F-16s n develop JFT.

 

[Kompromat]

So why buy those Mirages?

Because they add a powerful strike capability in both land and sea domains. We will only buy them, if they come cheap. Spoke to someone from PAF who stated that M2K-9 will bridge the capability gap between our Block-52/MLUs and JF-17 Block-II/III

 

[T-123456]

Because they add a powerful strike capability in both land and sea domains. We will only buy them, if they come cheap. Spoke to someone from PAF who stated that M2K-9 will bridge the capability gap between our Block-52/MLUs and JF-17 Block-II/III

If then they should sponsor it,who always protects them?

 

[greatone]

Either you deliberately chose to ignore my post or you are simply incapable of comprehending it.

Why are you angry ?
We are only debating here.Dont take it personally.

• MICA can be integrated with the Block-60 however the LM won't allow it, just like they didn't allow Black Saheen integration to the Block-60 because they wanted to sell their own Stand off Weapons to UAEAF.

MICA is already integrated with F 16 of Greek AF.These things are often hushed to confuse enemies but now its an open secret.US may be playing hard ball with UAE but if UAE wants it enough they will get it.
MICA (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• UAEAF doesn't need MICA on Block-60 either since they have far superior AMRAAMs and AIM-9X which are fully sensor fused with their Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System.

No I dispute that.I can only assume by AMRAAM you mean AIM-120A/B which falls in similar range.
MICA is much better than AM-120 A/B and waaayyy better than AIM-9X

• If PAF acquires the UAEAF Mirage-2000-9 fleet and UAEAF refuses to buy the Rafale, it means that PAF may be able to buy UAEAF's Black Shaheen ALCM and MICA inventory since the UAEAF won't need it anymore.

There is one thing you missed in this hypothesis.UAE selling old Mirage 2k-9 depends on them buying Rafale.No purchase of Rafale means no support to new owner of these Mirage 2k-9s.Simple as that. Infact,France offered to find a customer for them as a part of Rafale bid.

• JF-17s can also be integrated with MICA so can be our F-16s, if we wanted to.

You can not integrate missiles with fighters willy nilly with a screwdriver.You need source codes(the fabled ToT) for the missiles for which you need to pay the French.That will increase the cost of MICA which BTW is already more than AMRAAM 120 A/B you claim is better than MICA.(FYI cost of MICA- $500.000 ; cost of AMRAAM A/B $250,000)
So you want PAF to buy second hand MICA and pay to integrate it when a better missile according you is available and already integrated at half the price.
Makes no sense whatsoever.


Not to mention that India holds leverage with France over Rafale deal and a good reason not allow this deal.
What you are suggesting seems very far fetched and very very hopeful to the point of absurd.

Are you blind?......

Dayumm I was groggy, that weird fuel tank thingy threw me off.

 

[Kompromat]

MICA is already integrated with F 16 of Greek AF.These things are often hushed to confuse enemies but now its an open secret.US may be playing hard ball with UAE but if UAE wants it enough they will get it.
MICA (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is precisely what i said. The UAEAF F-16s won't be able to to integrate French missiles should they refuse to buy the Rafale

No I dispute that.I can only assume by AMRAAM you mean AIM-120A/B which falls in similar range.
MICA is much better than AM-120 A/B and waaayyy better than AIM-9X

UAE F-16s carry AIM-120C7 AMRAAMs and only an idiot is going to agree with you that MICA is 'better' let alone 'way better' than the AMRAAMs and AIM-9X.

Look on the wingtips.

There is one thing you missed in this hypothesis.UAE selling old Mirage 2k-9 depends on them buying Rafale.No purchase of Rafale means no support to new owner of these Mirage 2k-9s.Simple as that. Infact,France offered to find a customer for them as a part of Rafale bid.

FACT | UAE still needs to sell their mirages even if they don't buy Rafales. They are not satisfied with Rafale's performance an have refused to pay for R&D for an upgraded variant already.

You can not integrate missiles with fighters willy nilly with a screwdriver.You need source codes(the fabled ToT) for the missiles for which you need to pay the French.Which will increase the cost of MICA which BTW is already more than AMRAAM 120 A/B you claim is better than MICA.(FYI cost of MICA- $500.000 ; cost of AMRAAM A/B $250,000)
So you want PAF to buy second hand MICA and pay to integrate it when a better missile according you is available and integrated at half the price.
Makes no sense whatsoever.

A | MICA is not 'critical' to PAF
B | If such a deal goes through, it won't be signed till we have the source codes for integrating them on our fleet.

Not to mention that India holds leverage with France over Rafale deal and a good reason not allow this deal.
What you are suggesting seems very far fetched and very very hopeful to the point of absurd.

India only has leverage till they are locked in the Rafale deal. If IAF plays hardball with Dassault over these Mirages the Dassault would demand favourable terms on IAF's Rafale deal which in turn would harm IAF's pocket. We buy them or not, we get to screw IAF anyway.