In addition to local assembly of AESA, J10 comes with AL-31 ToT. We are looking towards a greater russian input in our NGFA program.
I am quoting this post as a reference (not directed to
@messiach ) to say that members totally in shock or surprise or even denying such with plain face without putting much in reply, should understand that not to take everything for word to word on Internet. There are always some sort of open ended statements which may be the very reason that leads to so much speculations or even call it a rumor.
Secondly, newbies totally unaware of previous discussions on different threads regarding cooperation & NGF/AZM buildup will have to go through all the pages and understand the backdrop of such a statement.
It was said before and discussed that PAC/PAF is working closely with friendly countries & the new friendship is formed as well. That is infact not easy to sum up in two lines but just look at new regional geopolitics & strategical changes. Pakistan-China-Russia & Turkiye are already if not may be, cooperating closely and have read the situation before hand about future eventualities. It was said that PAC will be working closely with partners/friends to uplift defence programs. There are lot of things happening behind closed doors.
From in-house AESA production to modern AAM of our own with the help of friends; to AZM and tech absorption are well worked out. We might not be very useful for these sort of developments given the so much lag in past and the secrecy around defence projects but it doesn't mean that nothing is happening.
Whether this ToT means a total transfer or maintenance but on other hand, why not to pay attention as what really derived from AL-31 power plant for China? As I said before and I will repeat myself in humble opinion that IF, J-10C is not the only equipment/capability coming to Pakistan. The same statement exist on this thread way before above quoted post and it was merely my observation and how I see certain things. I am taking full responsibility of these words because this is not some sort of insider news or a leak but what I really observed throughout such kind of acquisition processes from the past and an upgraded mindset with all the hard-work for modernization of Defence Production procedure and advance ourselves towards self reliance. I also mentioned before that look at how China advanced in many of defence production fields with the help of Russia but that all came after procurement and years of experience of those platforms.
We will not buy anything to merely catch a fish. The more of emphasis is on learn to how to catch the fish which includes everything from experience, knowledge, tactics to manufacturing & producing the relevant equipment. May be this is not about exact AL-31 engine and I wouldn't comment further as whatever I may know is purely for own knowledge & satisfaction to believe that we are excelling well and far ahead of an adversary can really think about.
Just look at Thunder program in it all self. Then we announced to go for 5th Gen under AZM. Look at Milgem program off the shelf purchase & Jinnah Class built in house - Look at Type 054-AP for PN and producing few locally. Just look at Augusta 90B upgradation - Look at PN acquiring Hangoor Class Subs and preparing to have in-house production as well. Why we merely disclosed the working on hypersonic CM by PN? Didn't we discuss that PAF will be having our own BVR and I say that it might be something like between PL-12 to PL-XX in future. What you think that those busy bees at AWC are just sitting idle? There is lot of progress being made in different areas and if told openly, I am sure many Pakistanis will deny those in offending manners given our mindset of past by believing that Pakistan ain't producing nothing or not even trying to self reliance in view of political myths.
Above are few examples in short for some people here about how the development may take place. I am not claiming anything in regard to AL-31 ToT but one should not limit him/herself merely to words being said in above quoted post and keep asking for proof or any sense which is more of self issue. If you are looking at an NGF after 15 years, that means you will have to stepping up the game already. It may sound ridiculous by instant reading but there might be few things not said openly.
That argument of large wingspan of Block-III is valid compare to Block-II wingspan. Then speaking of changes in rear fuselage may sound false but none of us have any clear image & all side view to compare as to how these changes taking place. For example, just look at sensor placements & then inner changes which will not be visible for anyone as of yet or unless some official speaks so. So conclusively for me, not everything is taken merely for the words about it. Keep your mind open and exhaust all the possibilities before a final say and even resorting ourselves to belittle someone having far more credit on subject than most of us. Agree to disagree and counter the arguments without questioning the personality.
What is wrong with people here?
Just because you have access to the net doesn't mean you waffle off anything you like.
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Then you go and waffle a whole post on no new al31 when we know that China stopped buying these....ugh...the frustration.
You can either agree or disagree but you shouldn't be offending like that. I am really sorry but ethics & behaviour be maintained on the Forum. No one is forced to remain present here and no one is shoving any information down the throat of others. Be respectful and that's all I mean to say.
