PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Beast]

Rumor says that WS-10C for J-20 has a larger propulsion than 10B at the expense of shorter MTBO or lifespan.
It's likely designed for supersonic cruise.
Maybe other aircrafts like J-10C could use that too?

Another BS from unknown source.

 

[MastanKhan]

As per news break by @messiach that PAF J10 will have Al31 engine with ToT

This is a big news, means PAF trust on Chinese engine is not yet achieved..

Secondly if AL31 is coming with ToT them RD93 will be also part of package as well.

Third point then there is higher chances that AZM or NGFA 5th gen will have Russian engine possibly AL 41

PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

But that‘s for the WS-10C, the updated version used by the J-20A. In contrast to the C-model, the J-10C uses the less powerful standard WS-10B, which is supposed to deliver a thrust of 132kn. No worries bro it is hard to find anything. Yes bro always hard to find official sources in China...

defence.pk

Hi,

It means that the Paf has something else cooking with the russians---. It not the TOT package per say---it is more like complete service and overhaul capability---.-.

Someone with basic engineering know how would know that Pakistan industrial complex does not have the capability to absorb TOT of AL31 engine.

 

[PurpleButcher]

Since we are on discussing Nawaz Shareef's engineering capabilities, the following video would explain his role in Pakistan's nuclear program

On topic of J-10 and AL-31, it does not make any logical sense !

 

[ARMalik]

Su-35 doesn't use AL-31. Su-35 uses 117S engines which itself is different to 117 and AL-41.

The izdeliye 117S (AL-41F1S) is an upgrade of the AL-31F. SU-35 uses AL-31 or a variant of AL-31. Even AL-41 is just another variant of AL-31.

 

[serenity]

The izdeliye 117S (AL-41F1S) is an upgrade of the AL-31F. SU-35 uses AL-31 or a variant of AL-31. Even AL-41 is just another variant of AL-31.

The difference is like between WS-10 prototypes from 2000s to WS-10B from 2019. The true number of interchangeable parts is unknown and unlikely to give those theories merit.

Please stop believing any random rumors and posts that say clearly ridiculously crazy things.

There is no ToT between Russia and Pakistan on AL-31 or even RD-93 and RD-93 is in PAF service in close to 200 units if not more.

Messiach has a history of providing false and inaccurate rumors.

At the moment we cannot prove either way but to already have faith in some random internet post.

There is a huge level of difference between AL-31 and AL-41/117/117s even if they share some common basis.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Bro, it's okay to be chasing dreams every once in a while. Some of us do it too, but those are usually hypothetical.

If what you claim to be true means they will be in the Air in PAF colors before the end of the year.

And respectfully, a lot of things have "apparently" been delivered secretly to a number of bases over a year or so, but we've yet to see anything.

Every once in a while we outta go back a few pages, look at what all has been promised by people & ask, "So where are they"

I was just quoting (((them))) and it was meant to be a joke

 

[Falconless]

I have always felt that DG ISPR should be a civilian employee of the defense dept

Just move the ISPR offices to be inside the MOD.

 

[MH.Yang]

Rumor says that WS-10C for J-20 has a larger propulsion than 10B at the expense of shorter MTBO or lifespan.
It's likely designed for supersonic cruise.
Maybe other aircrafts like J-10C could use that too?

J10C uses WS10B. Why should we pay attention to the undoubtedly WS10B? There is no doubt about it.

I'm surprised. Shouldn't our focus be PL15 or PL15E? There is a gap in the max-range between the two. Can J10C in Pakistan obtain PL15?

 

[Deino]

Hi,

It means that the Paf has something else cooking with the russians---. It not the TOT package per say---it is more like complete service and overhaul capability---.-.

Someone with basic engineering know how would know that Pakistan industrial complex does not have the capability to absorb TOT of AL31 engine.

No, it only means we have yet another unconfirmed and highly unlikely rumour. Nothing more, nothing less ... but for a car-seller this is probably beyond its understanding.

More interesting however is, this all is from a person with a great record of credibility before her pause but a not-so well one after her return.

Her claims, the JF-17 Block 3 would have dramatic changes on the rear fuselage, a wing with a wider span and different aspect ration - what so far has either been proven wrong or is still not explained and no-one but her sees these changes - is a testimony to this: Claiming something that is barely believable, ignore all explanations and avoid any discussion and then sit aside and watch the fun, how the discussion erupts.

And that you believe such claims - most likely only since I and others rate them as BS - is also more than understandable. As long as you can spit BS on others you hate, it's fine, but a person, who "agrees on all accounts" that the Block 3 will use an Italian engine and fire AMRAAMs has anyway lost all credibility here.

So why should anyone care what you say... ?

 

[TheSolution]

No, it only means we have yet another unconfirmed and highly unlikely rumour. Nothing more, nothing less ... but for a car-seller this is probably beyond its understanding.

More interesting however is, this all is from a person with a great record of credibility before her pause but a not-so well one after her return.

Her claims, the JF-17 Block 3 would have dramatic changes on the rear fuselage, a wing with a wider span and different aspect ration - what so far has either been proven wrong or is still not explained and no-one but her sees these changes - is a testimony to this: Claiming something that is barely believable, ignore all explanations and avoid any discussion and then sit aside and watch the fun, how the discussion erupts.

And that you believe such claims - most likely only since I and others rate then as BS - is also more than understandable. As long as you can spit BS on others you hate, it's fine, but a person, who "agrees on all accounts" that the Block 3 will use an Italian engine and fire AMRAAMs has anyway lost all credibility here.

So why should anyone care what you say... ?

The real question is, why is someone still allowed to post unreliable hearsay constantly without any warning?

What even is their credibility that people follow along without question?

J10C uses WS10B. Why should we pay attention to the undoubtedly WS10B? There is no doubt about it.

I'm surprised. Shouldn't our focus be PL15 or PL15E? There is a gap in the max-range between the two. Can J10C in Pakistan obtain PL15?

I can't think of a reason as to why not the full version, I don't think it's as secretive technology as say the J-20, it's a missile, and after the purchase of J-10C we may be allowed access to it. It would make a significant difference against the Rafale

 

[Deino]

The real question is, why is someone still allowed to post unreliable hearsay constantly without any warning?

What even is their credibility that people follow along without question?

In fact I don't know but it seems as if some here are handled like eggs regardless what they claim or how they interact with others. And since I am "only" that arrogant stupid German, who only wants links and sources, so what I say is irrelevant anyway.

 

[Titanium100]

In fact I don't know but it seems as if some here are handled like eggs regardless what they claim or how they interact with others. And since I am "only" that arrogant stupid German, who only wants links and sources, so what I say is irrelevant anyway.

Aren't you german chinese? or Chinese ethnically in that matter

 

[serenity]

@peagle the ban was


Aren't you german chinese? or Chinese ethnically in that matter

Deino is Andreas Rupprecht the author of many military literature on PLA.

He is about as Chinese as German lager.

 

[Deino]

@peagle the ban was


Aren't you german chinese? or Chinese ethnically in that matter

None of that ... just a "strange" German

Rupprecht: China hat wohl bis zu vier Typen von "Carrier-Killer-Raketen"

Für den Militärexperten, Andreas Rupprecht, hat sich auf chinesischen Übungsplätzen viel verändert. Es gebe neben zwei Flugzeugträgerattrappen und auch Modelle mit Sensoren und Elektronik.

www.ndr.de

 

[Titanium100]

He is about as Chinese as German lager.

Fair enough that last part can be slightly confusing since his technically a german lager I figure He will likely reply with ''Das ist nicht mein Bier''

None of that ... just a "strange" German

Rupprecht: China hat wohl bis zu vier Typen von "Carrier-Killer-Raketen"

Für den Militärexperten, Andreas Rupprecht, hat sich auf chinesischen Übungsplätzen viel verändert. Es gebe neben zwei Flugzeugträgerattrappen und auch Modelle mit Sensoren und Elektronik.

www.ndr.de

No wonder you are respected everywhere and even mod everywhere.. You seem to be acclaimed