PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[kursed]

Don't see PAF opting for maintenance heavy and accident prone AL-31, that'd be akin to shooting themselves in the foot in the presence of WS10B as a choice.

 

[Rafi]

Don't see PAF opting for maintenance heavy and accident prone AL-31, that'd be akin to shooting themselves in the foot in the presence of WS10B as a choice.

It is WS10B IMHO.

 

[SQ8]

You know, it would all make sense if these 'JS-10's were manufactured at PAC. At least some of them. Messiach previously said that Block 3 will have different formats for air superiority and strike. Do note that I DO NOT want to feed the rumor mill, just putting forward a possibility.

That would make sense in some ways and the AL-31 aspect does have merit especially when you consider the more direct relationship Pakistan has forged with Russian manufacturers post 2010. The RD-93s now comes directly, Russian engineers come and go along with information sharing - but Saturn has a fairly tight relationship with HAL so it would be odd if this happens and the Indians don’t whine out bloody murder at every available channel and more.

 

[SQ8]

@Deino @Shotgunner51 @Beast
Has there been any reports(non opsec compromising variety) of PLAAF study on MTBO between WS-10 and AL-31 variants?

 

[Trailer23]

Someone seems on the edge with the figure of (just) 25 Jets. Are they in for a surprise in 2022...

 

[Trailer23]

20 J15s also delivered

If I had a nickle for everytime I heard conversation of J-11, J-15 & J-16 on [PDF], i'd have a Private Jet - 24hrs on Standby.

Bro, it's okay to be chasing dreams every once in a while. Some of us do it too, but those are usually hypothetical.

If what you claim to be true means they will be in the Air in PAF colors before the end of the year.

And respectfully, a lot of things have "apparently" been delivered secretly to a number of bases over a year or so, but we've yet to see anything.

Every once in a while we outta go back a few pages, look at what all has been promised by people & ask, "So where are they"

 

[Trango Towers]

Cost?
If Chinese phasing out, they won't have issues in selling them to Pakistan at cheaper price.

Why would you buy old used engines for new fighters......oh if I used my brain

 

[applesauce]

Why would you buy old used engines for new fighters......oh if I used my brain

china doesnt have old AL31 to spare. it hasnt ordered any in years and older jets still use it so any still on hand would be used as replacement engines for those older jets.

i also doubt new j-10c would come with al31 and the only way for pakistan to get the j10c with al31 is if they took delivery of in service plaaf stock of used j10c, but this is unlikely.

j10c isnt a collaboration project and china isnt going to spend millions restarting the j10c/al031 line just for pakistan when it has just switched over to ws10.

of course we'll have to wait til the planes are in PAF service to be sure.

 

[SQ8]

@Beast @MH.Yang @araz

Can ZDK /J-10C/JF-17 can relay search and track data to a HQ9 battery?

No - ZDK (and possibly JF-17)provides input back to Pakistan national Air Defense networks who can pass it onto the HQ-9 battery.

No idea where it stands today but during development the idea was that an operator in the national center could point and click to send an engage request to ANY asset(within the national grid) and secure communications would deliver the message directly to the controlling node for that asset(GCI/AEW for fighter, AD Site controller for SAMs) to carry out the task.
The latency for the 1990’s NATO system was around 180 seconds so hopefully this matches or beats it.

 

[raja786]

Or he says something like
بھائی میں مذاق کر رہا تھا،،،،، میرے منہ سے نکل گیا تھا

یہ پہلے بھی اس طرح کہ چکا ہے۔ مگر اس بات کے پیچھے کچھ نہ کچھ ہے جو اس طرح کا بیان دیا گیا۔

 

[raja786]

That is worrying. Wondering how Pakistan has survived this long.

If it's okay for you to reveal, can I ask how does the military interact with the PDF staff to prevent certain information from being published here? Is it via ISPR making a request or someone with a direct hotline between the military and the forum admin(s)?

This is called 5th generation warfare, info gets leaked on purpose when it comes to tight lip policy I know how they work.

 

[serenity]

IF there is any truth to AL31 then this could also mean another thing -- PAF might be interested in Russian Birds with the same engine, example, SU 35 etc. !!

Su-35 doesn't use AL-31. Su-35 uses 117S engines which itself is different to 117 and AL-41.

 

[Beast]

@Deino @Shotgunner51 @Beast
Has there been any reports(non opsec compromising variety) of PLAAF study on MTBO between WS-10 and AL-31 variants?

So far it secret. Nobody know but rumour is Chinese MTBO is definitely higher than Russia one given the Chinese massive improve on metallurgy.

 

[cssniper]

Rumor says that WS-10C for J-20 has a larger propulsion than 10B at the expense of shorter MTBO or lifespan.
It's likely designed for supersonic cruise.
Maybe other aircrafts like J-10C could use that too?

 

[TheSolution]

Patwari sb…Mian G na jub kaha k woh Tom cruise mijjile US na mara tha Afghanistan par woh Alhamdullilah ma na reverse engineer kar k banya ha ….nawazu ki bat to tum fatafat man gay ab shaikh rasheek ki bat keun nhi samjh rahy ??

Not reverse engineering, he did the back engineering