PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[The Eagle]

How is a JS-10 fly-past going to counter the Rafale threat?

You mean an interpretation as such... This Rumorist is so wrong to say so.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Designation would be FC-10 CP or EP........

 

[untitled]

You mean an interpretation as such... This Rumorist is so wrong to say so.

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While we are at it can we get an F-35 fly-past as well?

 

[Zarvan]

Is it you guessing, your 6th sense, a hunch that has brought you to that particular number?

With all due respect, but I think....correction, i'm certain that you're reaching.

No information but a wild guess based on solid analysis. There is no way hell we would remain limited to 36. Also Indian Navy also looking for new beast. If they go for Rafale M then we would also go for more J-10. Also Indian Air Force will also go for at least 36 more Rafale if not more.

 

[RealNapster]

Block 2s don't have HMDs. They dont have an Aesa. Their fuel tanks are small and hardpoints limited. They have an average engine thrust. They dont have canards. Such an aircraft needs a powerful engine, like F16, if you are going to pitch it against SU30s, Mirages and Migs. They can only fire SD10s. They are not true 4th gens hence they shouldn't be included in the list.

Block 3s once they arrive will be true 4+ Gen. Since PL15s will make a lot of difference in their lethality. Otherwise JFs can't engage in a dogfight comfortably with any of the above.

JF-17 Block 2 secure our western theatre without any issue. And it is going to rule the skies on our western side for atleast next 10 years. Even after that, any possible resistance will only come from Iran side which may afford to acquire good platform by then. block 3, J-10C and F-16 can all go to our eastern side. That's almost 250+ planned fleet. In case of war Block 2 can be relocated any time to eastern side.

 

[siegecrossbow]

If Russia does not agree, China cannot sell J11 and J16, but J15 can be sold, and J15 is a carrier plane.
J20 will probably never be sold, just like F22.
J10C and J31 should be available for sale. But J31 is a naval project, and the army variant of J31 may need to wait a long time(2030-2035).
But the J10C is a pure air superiority fighter, and its multirole is poor, it is not suitable for countries with low budgets. The JF17 engine is controlled by Russia. So China usually sells K8 fighters.
The sales volume of K8 is very good, and 400+ K8 have been exported.

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The success to K-8's export was contingent upon US engine in many cases. Surprised that it was even allowed.

What if sometime in near future, Shaikh Rasheed says that his statement was misinterpreted and they are coming for fly-past?

I’d be happy because China has never sent double digit number of fighter abroad for parade purposes.

 

[The Eagle]

I’d be happy because China has never sent double digit number of fighter abroad for parade purposes.

I was just teasing members here. I agree that China wouldn't send double digit number of ACs for merely a fly past. This is going be a procurement drive, if we see such number of planes here.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Pulwama incident happened on 14 Feb, IAF went in on 26.....i mean IAF had fully 11 days to prepare the response, and prepare for PAF response as well....one wonders what they were doing for all these 11 days. ...

The day after 27 February Indian media asked the same question over and over again from their retired military personnel, why wasn't the Indian Air Force prepared for a Pakistani retaliation.

 

[The Eagle]

@PanzerKiel why reactions?
Though, the level of secrecy maintained either by CAC or PAF in regards to J-10CP deal is appreciable. I mean, none of the camera lenses in China could get this neither in Pakistan.

In past and most of the times; things will start to surface on internet to the least but this case is pure genuine work, if done as such.

 

[Enigma SIG]

@PanzerKiel why reactions?
Though, the level of secrecy maintained either by CAC or PAF in regards to J-10CP deal is appreciable. I mean, none of the camera lenses in China could get this neither in Pakistan.

In past and most of the times; things will start to surface on internet to the least but this case is pure genuine work, if done as such.

I'll play the devil's advocate here that Shaikh Rasheed just spat out bullshit and there's nothing going on

 

[HAIDER]

What if sometime in near future, Shaikh Rasheed says that his statement was misinterpreted and they are coming for fly-past?

never know....shiekh sahib " bhaand marna (fluke)" ma champion haan...

 

[Ali_Baba]

why wasn't the Indian Air Force prepared for a Pakistani retaliation.

Because they were not expecting Pakistan to retaliate, that is why. They thought they could dish it out and not get anything back in return - had it been a PPP or PML goverment in charge then they would have been right.

Imran Khan saw the risk in not responding and ordered a risky counterstrike. That was a damn risky gamble by him and one that paid off with the shooting down of the Su30MKI and the Mig21. That response killed India's strategy of hoping to turn Pakistan into another "Lebanon or Syria with strikes that are not questioned by anyone anymore" and it taught Pakistan a lesson to. Be ready as things are going to get hot, and you must be able to respond and that has to be clearly understood by India and everyone else. Deterrence was preserved through that action.

 

[jaybird]

@PanzerKiel why reactions?
Though, the level of secrecy maintained either by CAC or PAF in regards to J-10CP deal is appreciable. I mean, none of the camera lenses in China could get this neither in Pakistan.

In past and most of the times; things will start to surface on internet to the least but this case is pure genuine work, if done as such.

Secrecy regarding military matters in China is a lot more stern the last 2-3 years compared to before, even most major Chinese military forums are closed. Not many people dare to post any "leaked" photos of new military equipment anymore. People can get in trouble for posting such a information now a days. Before you could still get in trouble but not nearly as serious.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

@PanzerKiel why reactions?
Though, the level of secrecy maintained either by CAC or PAF in regards to J-10CP deal is appreciable. I mean, none of the camera lenses in China could get this neither in Pakistan.

In past and most of the times; things will start to surface on internet to the least but this case is pure genuine work, if done as such.

I still dont believe in this acquisition until someone other than Shaikh Rasheed confirms it. I see it this way so far.

Why would Pakistan Air Force acquire an aircraft which it has rejected for 2 decades under 3 different Government administrations giving various excuses each time it was offered.

Also, how does having 2 medium-weight combat platforms and 4 light-weight combat platforms at the same time makes any sense for an air force that operates around 400 combat aircraft?

I don't know if I want to be proven wrong or if I'll be happy with a disappointment of this acquisition not materialising.

 

[SIPRA]

never know....shiekh sahib " bhaand marna " ma champion haan...

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