Oliver Hazard Class Frigate Acquisition by Pakistan

[Donatello]

Is this warship can in any way be used as a deterrance against Nuclear Powered subs i mean the Arihant class of India .. !!!

They are frigates and can be used in Anti-Submarine warfare. What matters most if they can coordinate these with the rest of the fleet so that one ship can track what other is tracking. Submarine tracking is mostly trial and error. You can find them and lose again. But they are coming with helicopters which i am sure PN can use.

Now Arihant is India's only SSBN. What we needs to be seen is whether they deploy it or not because an accidental non-nuclear missile firing from it can be seen as a nuclear attempt which might make Pakistan retaliate and India knows that we can strike back pretty much anywhere.

So Arihant is more of a deterrence than offensive.

 

[MastanKhan]

not about how it is being marketted but how it is behaving with us.
dont you think that US relation with Pakistan have always been based on a dual policy.
we have been betrayed by the US on a number of occasions!

regards!

Hi,

It is a misnomer---the u s had not betrayed us---we have only been betrayed by our own indulgences.

Pakistanis have only learnt to deceive themselves for the last 60 plus years---.

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

It is a misnomer---the u s had not betrayed us---we have only been betrayed by our own indulgences.

Pakistanis have only learnt to deceive themselves for the last 60 plus years---.

Yea, that is a very helpful post in the guided missile frigate......


now back to topic.

 

[Donatello]

Hey,

I was reading through this news as it came up and read about USS Mclnerny, which is to be transferred to PN in August and PN crew have been training on it.

It says it was operating an unmanned aircraft, but we know that Pakistani crews are onboard for training right? Plus it is too close to delivery date, so does it mean PN is also getting the unmanned aircraft?

please read it.


WASHINGTON – An unmanned aircraft went off course during testing and entered restricted airspace near the nation's capital earlier this month, the Navy said Wednesday.

The craft, an MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned aerial vehicle, is one of six the Navy is testing for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance operations. It was supposed to fly a preprogrammed route over the Webster Field Annex at the naval air station at Patuxent River, Md., a Navy spokesman, Lt. Myers Vasquez, said.

During testing on Aug. 2, controllers lost the link to the aircraft and it flew off route into the restricted area. Vasquez said the craft was about 40 miles away from Washington. The Federal Aviation Administration was notified that it was a Navy craft so they were aware and monitoring it, Vasquez said.

The controllers were able to reprogram the craft and bring it back to the field about 20 minutes after they lost contact with the craft, Vasquez said. During that time, there was no communication between the controllers and the helicopter-like aircraft.

Authorities have been on high alert for planes entering air space in and around major government buildings in the national capital region since the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

FAA figures show that since then aircraft have entered restricted airspace around Washington roughly twice a day.

Vasquez said the plane had flown about 1,000 hours and never had a similar incident.

One of the other Fire Scouts was deployed on the USS McInerny off the coast of Central America and used in drug interdiction.

The restricted airspace intrusion was first reported in The New York Times.



Source:-
Unmanned Navy craft flies into restricted airspace - Yahoo! News

 

[Penguin]

Fire Scout Scores First Drug Bust with McInerney

Release Date: 4/7/2010

From U.S. 4th Fleet Public Affairs

EASTERN PACIFIC OCEAN (NNS) -- During a routine test flight, a MQ-8B Fire Scout Vertical Take-off and Landing Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (VTUAV) supported its first drug interdiction with USS McInerney (FFG 8) and a U.S. Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachment (USCG LEDET) Apr. 3.

McInerney launched one of its two embarked Fire Scout's to test different functions and settings when it acquired a suspected narcotics "go-fast" on radar. The Mission Payload Operator completed testing and received permission to pursue.

Over the course of three hours, Fire Scout monitored the go-fast with McInerney. With its state-of-the-art optics and extremely small profile, Fire Scout was able to maintain an unprecedented covert posture while feeding real-time video back to McInerney.

Fire Scout proceeded to capture video of the "go-fast" meeting with a fishing vessel for what appeared to be a refueling/logistics transfer. McInerney and its embarked USCG LEDET moved in and seized approximately 60 kilos of cocaine and caused the suspected traffickers to jettison another approximately 200 kilos of narcotics.

Fire Scout has been deployed onboard McInerney in the Eastern Pacific since October 2009. McInerney, with embarked Helicopter Antisubmarine Squadron (Light) 42 Detachment 7 (HSL Det 7), is deployed for U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command (NAVSO)in the U.S. Southern Command area of responsibility conducting counter illicit trafficking (CIT) operations in support of Joint Interagency Task Force-South. The embarked Fire Scout VTUAVs are operated and maintained by a team from HSL 42 Det 7, the Navy Fire Scout Program Office, and Northrop Grumman Corporation.

NAVSO is the naval component command for U.S. Southern Command and is responsible for all Naval personnel and assets in the area of responsibility. NAVSO conducts a variety of missions in support of the Maritime Strategy, including Theater Security Cooperation, relationship building, humanitarian assistance and disaster response, community relations, and CIT operations.

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Fire Scout Scores First Drug Bust with McInerney

090508-N-2821G-146 ATLANTIC OCEAN (May 8, 2009) The Northrop Grumman Corporation-developed Unmanned Aerial Vehicle MQ-8B Fire Scout hovers over the flight deck of the guided-missile frigate USS McInerney (FFG 8). McInerney is preparing for an upcoming counter-illicit trafficking deployment to Latin America, where the ship is scheduled to use Fire Scout to assist with counter-drug operations. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Alan Gragg/Released)

 

[Penguin]

i hope PN opts to spend some $$ even from therepocket and atleast equip them with some good weapons. although this do not seems to be happening but with out them the ships will be sitting duck to any hotility.

regards!

Let see how McInerney is when delivered and then make recommemdations

 

[Arsalan]

Let see how McInerney is when delivered and then make recommemdations

AGREED!!

this is one debate that often de track me

regards!

 

[Arsalan]

They are frigates and can be used in Anti-Submarine warfare. What matters most if they can coordinate these with the rest of the fleet so that one ship can track what other is tracking. Submarine tracking is mostly trial and error. You can find them and lose again. But they are coming with helicopters which i am sure PN can use.

which helicopters??

i have asked this question number of times and have searched it on net and my sources but havnt got a single crediable answere.

as per as my knowledge no choppers are comming in this deal and there is no seprate deal in signing!!

regards!

 

[aziqbal]

the deal was to get 6 of these ships are we just getting the one or more?

I dont think we are getting any helos with this although we should by more Z9C to put on the ship

 

[Arsalan]

the deal was to get 6 of these ships are we just getting the one or more?

I dont think we are getting any helos with this although we should by more Z9C to put on the ship

yeap, i nice combo na!!
Chines Helo on a US boat

i wonder what PN is thinking.

well lets wait till the first one is delivered and then we can see what are ON intentions and how are they going to operate them.
sometimes i guess they are going to turn these into Fish Trawlers!!

regards!

 

[TOPGUN]

Same question i had asked before several times what heli's will be used on these ships ?

 

[Jigs]

Same question i had asked before several times what heli's will be used on these ships ?

I guess whatever pakistan has for naval aviation. Turkey uses S-70B Seahawks with these.

Maybe they would use Westland Lynx.

 

[Penguin]

Same question i had asked before several times what heli's will be used on these ships ?

Options:

a) each OHP ship is transferred with its standard complement of 2 Sikorsky SH-60 or S-70B Sea Hawk LAMPS III helicopters
supporting case: Turkey
b) each OHP ship is transferred with a complement of 2 Kaman SH-2 SeaSrite LAMPS I or SH2G Super Seasprite helicopters
supporting cases: Poland, Egypt
c) each OHP ship is transferred without a complement of helicopters, and may use other available, non-US ASW helicopter(s)
supporting case: Bahrain (MBB BO-105)

PN is known to operate (or at least have operated) the following helicopter types:
Westland Lynx - anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (3?)
Westland Sea King Mk45 -anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (6?).
Aérospatiale SA-319B Alouette III - transport/anti-ship helicopters 6+?)
Harbin Z-9 anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (6?).

OHP can land and support all these types and probably accommodate all types in the hangar (Sea King dimensions are very similar to SH-60, the other types are all smaller)

 

[Arsalan]

Options:

a) each OHP ship is transferred with its standard complement of 2 Sikorsky SH-60 or S-70B Sea Hawk LAMPS III helicopters
supporting case: Turkey
b) each OHP ship is transferred with a complement of 2 Kaman SH-2 SeaSrite LAMPS I or SH2G Super Seasprite helicopters
supporting cases: Poland, Egypt
c) each OHP ship is transferred without a complement of helicopters, and may use other available, non-US ASW helicopter(s)
supporting case: Bahrain (MBB BO-105)

PN is known to operate (or at least have operated) the following helicopter types:
Westland Lynx - anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (3?)
Westland Sea King Mk45 -anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (6?).
Aérospatiale SA-319B Alouette III - transport/anti-ship helicopters 6+?)
Harbin Z-9 anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (6?).

OHP can land and support all these types and probably accommodate all types in the hangar (Sea King dimensions are very similar to SH-60, the other types are all smaller)

Option 1:
Ha! brother they are even depriving the boat of all weapon launch systems, what made you think that they will give us SH-60. no chance!

Option 2:
a rare possibility as ON might not be intrested to invest largely on ships that will see limited service for just a few years.

Option 3:
Plausable.
PN goes for more Z-9 as they can also equip future chines procured ships or can act as stand by units for those ships!!

regards

 

[Jigs]

Options:

a) each OHP ship is transferred with its standard complement of 2 Sikorsky SH-60 or S-70B Sea Hawk LAMPS III helicopters
supporting case: Turkey
b) each OHP ship is transferred with a complement of 2 Kaman SH-2 SeaSrite LAMPS I or SH2G Super Seasprite helicopters
supporting cases: Poland, Egypt
c) each OHP ship is transferred without a complement of helicopters, and may use other available, non-US ASW helicopter(s)
supporting case: Bahrain (MBB BO-105)

PN is known to operate (or at least have operated) the following helicopter types:
Westland Lynx - anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (3?)
Westland Sea King Mk45 -anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (6?).
Aérospatiale SA-319B Alouette III - transport/anti-ship helicopters 6+?)
Harbin Z-9 anti-ship/anti-submarine/transport helicopters (6?).

OHP can land and support all these types and probably accommodate all types in the hangar (Sea King dimensions are very similar to SH-60, the other types are all smaller)

We got one not 2. We had 8 total S-70Bs then one crashed back in 03 or 02 so we had 7. Then we ordered 17 more. (I think we plan on using them for all our ships(Mekos))