Oliver Hazard Class Frigate Acquisition by Pakistan

[Penguin]

7 warships on fiscal 2011 inactive ship list


Posted : Thursday Jul 22, 2010 16:55:30 EDT

Three frigates, three amphibious ships and one attack sub are among the Navy and Military Sealift Command ships scheduled to leave the fleet over the next year, according to a new message that spells out the names and dates for the Navy’s next inactivations.

The message, dated Wednesday and signed by Vice Adm. John Blake, the Navy’s top requirements officer, details the fates of some familiar names, but leaves the door open for at least one major one: the amphibious assault ship Nassau.

Although the Navy has scheduled to decommission Nassau on March 31, 2011, Blake’s message includes this note: “Service life extension is currently under review. Stakeholders will be advised ... of any decision to extend the ship’s service life.”

Congressional lawmakers have called on the Navy to keep its ships around for as long as possible, and went so far as to mandate in this year’s defense bill that the Nassau and its sibling, Peleliu, must stay in commission at least until the arrival of their replacement America-class gators. That bill has not yet become law, so Blake’s note seems to indicate the Navy is reserving its options on Nassau in case it must rehabilitate the ship to last until the commissioning of the America, now set for 2012.

In addition to seven Navy warships, the list includes the fate of four MSC support ships. They appear here, with their scheduled inactivation dates and current fates:

Frigates
• Hawes: Dec. 10, 2010 — “Will be utilized as a logistic support asset primarily for remaining ships in the FFG 7 class.”

• Jarrett: May 27, 2011 — Set aside for foreign military sale.

• Doyle: July 29, 2011 — Set aside for foreign military sale.

Amphibious transport docks
• Dubuqe: April 29, 2011 — Will be kept in a reserve status.

• Cleveland: Sept. 30, 2011 — Will be kept in a reserve status.

Amphibious assault ships
• Nassau: March 31, 2011 — Commanders are evaluating a life-extension program, and if it’s decommissioned, the ship will be kept in a reserve status.

Fast attack submarines
• Memphis: March 14, 2011 — Will be dismantled.

Transport tankers
• Samuel L. Cobb: Oct. 30, 2010 — Will be transferred to the U.S. Maritime Administration.

• Richard G. Matthiesen: March 31, 2011 — Will be transferred to MARAD.

Ammunition ships
• Kiska: Jan. 14, 2011 — Will be dismantled.

• Shasta: Sept. 30, 2011 — Will be dismantled

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Frigates
• Hawes (FFG-53) first commissioned in 1985.
• Jarrett (FFG 33) first commissioned in 1983.
• Doyle (FFG-39) first commissioned 1983.

McInerney decommed in October 2009 and will be transferred to PN in August 2010. Using that as reference, the next OHP transfer can be expected to occur in March/April 2012 and the third in May/June 2012. Foreign military sale is likely to be either to Pakistan or else to Taiwan.

Hawes must have seen heavier service than Jarrett and Doyle for this relatively new hull to be paid off in 2011. A 'logistic support asset for remaining ships' is probably a euphemism for 'spare parts hull'.

Between FFG8 McInerney (1979) and FFG33 Jarret (1983) are only 2 other OHPs, namely FFG32 Hall and FFG34 Fitch (both 1982). In addition to Jarrett and Doyle there remain another 7 OHPs from 1983, 8 from 1984, 5 from 1985 (excl Hawes), 2 from 1986, 2 from 1987 and 1 from 1989.

Frankly, looking at the numbers, I expect Pakistan to be served with retiring OHPs first, before Taiwan. That would mean all subsequent OHPs will most likely be from 1983 i.e. 27-28 years old today and aup to 30-31 years old on transfer. Assuming 10+ years of additional service, PN would need replacements coming online 2020-2025. Keep that date in mind in relation to any new domestically built corvettes/frigates or additional foreign ship orders (F22P, Milgem, other)

 

[Arsalan]

the ship was suposed to be at Karachi on August 31 i guess!
with some 20 days remaining in the ETA, have the ship began its journey or was it just that it will be officially handed over to PN on August 31 in US and will sail to Karachi after wards??

BTW, we are not getting any choppers with these ships so what will be PN choice to operate from the flight deck.
i dint think it will be Z-9s ofcource!!

regards!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

the ship was suposed to be at Karachi on August 31 i guess!
with some 20 days remaining in the ETA, have the ship began its journey or was it just that it will be officially handed over to PN on August 31 in US and will sail to Karachi after wards??

BTW, we are not getting any choppers with these ships so what will be PN choice to operate from the flight deck.
i dint think it will be Z-9s ofcource!!

regards!

No dude.

On the 31st the OHP will start going under a refurbishment and by Jan next year it will be handed over to PN.

 

[Jigs]

Do you see Turkey switching to SM2 on its Perry's? It is not part of the Genesis upgrade. They retain SM-1 and therefor must think differently about it than you do.

We will also be installing 4 MK-41 VLS systems on 4 of the 8 OHP similar to the Australian upgrade. Also on the 2 mekos that don't have them will also get the upgrade (Yavuz class of 4 Meko Track I will be left alone since it seems their Hull is not set up to accommodate this upgrade) They will keep the 1 MK 21 Guided Missile Launching System for 8 RIM-7 Sea Sparrow.

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency announces [PDF] Turkey’s formal request for 6 MK 41 Vertical Launch System (VLS) Baseline VII tactical modules, and 2 sets of MK 41 VLS upgrade kits. They would be used to modernize 2 MEKO Track IIA frigates and 4 ex-FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates, and to upgrade 2 MEKO Track IIB frigates’ MK-41 VLS from baseline IV to baseline VII configuration. Updates to the ships’ fire control system upgrades will add RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile capability. Services will include installation and testing, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services, equipment operation and maintenance, personnel training and training equipment, support and test equipment, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, launch system software development and maintenance and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $227 million.

Not sure if these upgrades happened yet though. (Looking for recent pictures of the ships)

 

[Super Falcon]

well if we got them on 14th of august would have been more better anyway atleast they are coming we are short on ships

 

[HAIDER]

A Perry for Pakistan: USS McInerney
22-Feb-2010 12:08 EST

(click to view full)On Feb 19/10, the US DSCA announced Pakistan’s official request to buy the Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigate USS McInerney [FFG 8], plus refurbishment, onboard spares, spare and repairs parts, support equipment, publications and technical data, and U.S. Government and contractor support. The prime contractor is unknown at this time, but the estimated cost of the initial transfer plus refurbishment and support is $78 million. Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Pakistan.

In 2009, USS McInerney trialed the naval MQ-8B Fire Scout helicopter UAV in counter-drug operations around the Caribbean. It’s one member of a popular but declining ship class…

Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates still serve with the US Navy, but American ships have had their bow-mounted Mk.13 launch systems for SM-1 Standard air defense and RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles removed. Those changes leave just torpedoes and a 76mm naval gun for offense, and the 20mm Phalanx CIWS as the ships’ main defensive weapon. Barring further contracts, the dollar amounts and lack of contractor assistance strongly suggest that McInerney is being transferred to Pakistan “as is.”

Perry class frigates also serve in the navies of Australia, Egypt, Poland, Spain, Taiwan, and Turkey. Most of these ships retain their original missile launching systems, and Australia’s ships have just finished an expensive set of deep upgrades.

Well, only effective weapon will be Harpoon..

FFG-12 George Philip and the FFG-14 Sides

 

[HAIDER]

Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigate USS McInerney (FFG 8), after the Mk-13 Launcher was removed, with small combat value. She is like a patro vessel for coast guard duty.

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United States Navy and Pakistan Navy Agree to Ship Transfer


(Source: VSE Corporation; issued May 5, 2010)



ALEXANDRIA, Va. --- VSE Corporation recently hosted a meeting between the United States and Pakistan Navies to solidify an agreement for the transfer of the USS McInerney, which is scheduled to be decommissioned this summer.

Pakistan Navy Captain Abdul Rehman signed a Letter of Offer and Acceptance to initiate the ship transfer. Captain Rehman is assigned to the Embassy of Pakistan as Attaché for Defense Procurement (Air Force/Navy). U.S. Navy Captain Chris Pietras represented the Naval Sea Systems Command in accepting the offer.

For VSE’s Naval Ship Transfer and Repair Team, the agreement translates into a contract covering training responsibilities. VSE will support U.S. Navy training of the 248 Pakistani crew members, beginning this month, until the ship is officially transferred around the end of August. In the near future, VSE will develop a work package for approval by the Pakistan Navy. After the transfer, VSE will manage a shipyard industrial availability contract to make ship repairs that will extend its life. During the availability the VSE’s Ship Training and Assistance Team (STAT) will provide hands on maintenance and operational training for the Pakistan crew.

In January 2011, the VSE STAT is scheduled to conduct underway training for the crew, with a final evaluation by the U.S. Navy Afloat Training Group on the ability of the Pakistan crew to operate the ship and equipment in a safe-to-sail manner. Afterwards, the crew will sail the ship home to Karachi, Pakistan. A small contingent of the VSE Transfer Assistance Team personnel will accompany the ship and provide additional underway training.

VSE CEO Maurice “Mo” Gauthier said, “Together, with our customers and the highly experienced and competent team we have assembled, we are confident that we will meet and exceed the requirements of this allied mission. We look forward to the challenge."

“Our expertise with training, equipment repair, and working in tandem with both the U.S. and Pakistan Navies will be a rewarding experience and great collaborative opportunity,” added Mike Hamerly, President of International Group.


VSE International Group provides global engineering, industrial and logistics services. VSE International Group also provides assistance to the U.S. Navy in executing its Foreign Military Sales Program for surface ships sold, leased or granted to foreign countries by providing program management, engineering, technical support, and logistics services for ship reactivations, transfers, and follow-on support.

 

[Donatello]

Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigate USS McInerney (FFG 8), after the Mk-13 Launcher was removed, with small combat value. She is like a patro vessel for coast guard duty.

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You can clearly see the different Radomes on the ship along with the long range search radar. One big hemisphere in the front and smaller ones in the middle and rear.


Can someone please post their exact specs and their intended function? I didn't see them on the F22p class frigates, so i guess it's some advanced EM suite?

Thanks!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

You can clearly see the different Radomes on the ship along with the long range search radar. One big hemisphere in the front and smaller ones in the middle and rear.


Can someone please post their exact specs and their intended function? I didn't see them on the F22p class frigates, so i guess it's some advanced EM suite?

Thanks!

You can find alot of interesting stuff on this another OHP threads in naval section.
Basically the air radar has a range of over 500 km and has decent EW system.

 

[Penguin]

We will also be installing 4 MK-41 VLS systems on 4 of the 8 OHP similar to the Australian upgrade.

1 Mk41 each on 4 frigates.

 

[Penguin]

You can clearly see the different Radomes on the ship along with the long range search radar. One big hemisphere in the front and smaller ones in the middle and rear.


Can someone please post their exact specs and their intended function? I didn't see them on the F22p class frigates, so i guess it's some advanced EM suite?

Thanks!

The rear and middle domes are satcom antennea. The front dome houses an Americanized version of the Dutch Signaal/Thales WM-25 fire control radar system and is a combined housing for 2 antennea: a rotating search radar and an illuminator.

On Target Alignment Ltd. Istanbul \ TURKEY

 

[Arsalan]

looks pretty much nude and deprived...

 

[iioal malik]

I love the numbers they r coming in eight of them now that's some heavy stuff
Long live PAK .U.S strategic relation

 

[Myth_buster_1]

looks pretty much nude and deprived...

Thank what Burkah Frigate to you if OHP is nude?
Thori si research karo.

OHP still today is much much better then F-22p.

 

[Zarbe Momin]

It is month of august whether we are going to get it. If yes on which date it is comming to pakistan.