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I surely understand the rifts btw US and Pakistan but please dont bring KFC in it 
Oliver Hazard Class Frigate Acquisition by Pakistan
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H2O3C4Nitrogen
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You know it is quite ironic, most Pakistanis don't like us, but when uncle Sam gives them toys, they would be happy to accept.
You know its quite ironic that most arabs hate you for the support you give to Israel and its REIGN of TERROR , but yet your leaders feel happy to forge good relations with them as they not only provide you the much needed Oil but also they give you billions by buying your outdated scrap and also inject billions into your political land scape and despite all that hate your leaders appear much happier in there company...
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It never was intended as high class ship in the first place, as it was envisioned as a cheap escort to complement to the Spruance class and e.g. the so-called Seacontrol ship (which incidentally only the navy of Spain adopted, together with a locally built Perry). Still, 'low end' in terms of USN often is 'high end' in terms of other navies' capabilities.
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You know it is quite ironic, most Pakistanis don't like us, but when uncle Sam gives them toys, they would be happy to accept.
Isnt the feeling mutual? We know how much love the US has for us Pakistanis and why only after the WOT, have we seen such toys coming our way, before that we were refused even for the toys that we already payed for.
By the way if you ask any Pakistani does he hate America or Americans, his answer will be no however if you ask him if he/she hates the US policies, his/her answer definitely will be a big yes.
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On of the things I learned the first time I visited Turkey was that it was quite common for men to walk arm in arm and/or hold hand (as good friends) whereas in the Netherlands this is quite uncommon (only for 'other' reasons). A lesson in intercultural sensititvity that was. In view of that, I'm not sure quite sure I get what's being wooted about here...
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nothing for, just a response to arrogance displayed by few American members on board..!
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well please friends be on topic ratahr than on romance anyway so in august we get one and how many in total we get and when they arrive after the first one and what type of weapons pn have put in their wish list to equip them in ship
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pls, this has been discussed to death:
- 6 requested
- 8 apparently allotted
- 2011-13 is the earliest time additional OHPs become available due to retirement from USN
- weapons fit as yet not clear, at least the same as in USN service, reinstated Mk13 (SM1/Harpoon capability) likely, installation of 1 Mk41 VLU/RUM-139 VL-Asroc is a (remote) possibility.
(Mk 13 GMLS is not able to fire the RUR-5 ASROC weapon PN used to operate on its WW2 era ex-USN ships, as the launcher rail is too short. Hence the need for VL version)
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To be honest, to the extent arrogance is displayed here at all, it is displayed not only by US members. Lets just focus on naval and maritime business, shall we?
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well tthanx penguin so we get 8 awsome hope to see them soon cant wait
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The officers and crew of the USS McInerney are training Pakistani sailors how to run the ship. Docked in Mayport Naval Station in Jacksonville, Florida, the ship is slated to be handed over in late August.
Watch: McInerney Training
Watch: McInerney Training
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Over its 30-year history, the USS McInerney racked up a lot of firsts, from new propulsion systems to cutting-edge weaponry.
Now at dock at Mayport Naval Station for the final time, the crew of the oldest-serving Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate in the U.S. fleet is once again trying something new.
This time, it's figuring out how to help another crew from another country get ready to run its ship.
"It's been a learning experience as we've gone along," said Cmdr. Paul Young, commanding officer of the ship.
Shortly after the McInerney arrived home in April from its final deployment under the U.S. flag, a crew of Pakistani sailors began readying to sail the vessel to its new home more than 7,000 miles away.
At the end of August, the ship will be decommissioned - the first of Mayport's 13 frigates to be retired - and turned over to Pakistan. The country is paying upwards of $65 million to buy and refurbish the ship, money which the United States has given it as a friendly non-NATO ally.
Rechristened the PNS Alamgir, the frigate will go into a shipyard for the rest of the year before getting under way with the new crew.
A handover like this is known as a hot transfer, in which the vessel isn't packed away waiting for the new owner.
It's the preferred method for another country to take ownership, said Bob Gronenberg, deputy program manager for ship transfers at the Naval Sea Systems Command.
"We have the benefit of joint training," he said. "On-the-job training is the best form of training."
About 160 Pakistani crew members are taking part in the transfer, spending their days working on the ship and living on a berthing barge docked nearby.
Eventually, about 200 Pakistani sailors will train here and then be the ship's crew as it crosses the ocean.
Getting the Pakistanis ready for the job has fallen to the sailors who took the ship on its last U.S. deployment.
Even while still at sea, Young said, the crew was already pulling together a training plan, something that's never been done from the ground up.
"We took the core competencies that we have to do and drilled down from there," he said.
That meant looking at each piece of what the crew does - from air warfare to communications to ship handling - and figuring out how to teach them.
The captain talks with his Pakistani counterpart each day, doing his own form of training as the two discuss ship handling, daily routine aboard the vessel and other issues of command.
"They are really interested in emulating how we do business here," the captain said.
The actual teaching has gone smoothly, said some of the sailors involved in the process.
"It's easy to train people when they're ready to learn," said Petty Officer 1st Class Juan Pena.
As well as the training, the 140 U.S. crew members still aboard also take care of maintenance issues and other typical pierside jobs.
Much of that routine work is done on Friday, when the Pakistani sailors don't work.
"Friday is their holy day, and Friday is our McInerney day," Young said.
The Navy looked to raise awareness of such things before the Pakistanis arrived, putting the crew through two days of sensitivity training.
"Once we got engaged, we realized we're both professionals," said Lt. Cmdr. Eric Keiser, executive officer of the ship. "Everything fell into place. Now it's like you don't even think about it."
Cultural issues have affected even seemingly minor things, such as the timing of the handover ceremony.
The ship will be turned over to Pakistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, with the ceremony held after sunset, because observant Muslims will be fasting during the day.
Getting ready for that day just a few weeks from now has been made easier by the experience of the Pakistani crew members, who Young said already know basic seamanship and just have to learn the specifics of the McInerney.
The experience of the incoming crew is testimony to how important the vessel will be at its new home.
Pakistan has focused on beefing up its navy in recent years, including buying four frigates from China last year.
"This ship will be a capital ship for Pakistan," Young said.
Knowing that helps ease the pain some of the sailors feel as they prepare to say goodbye to a ship with such a storied history.
"It makes me feel good to know she'll still be fighting the fight," Petty Officer 2nd Class Eric Gordon said. "I would love to see how it turns out."
McInerney sailors help prepare Pakistani crew to take over ship | jacksonville.com
photos of the training session
Photos | jacksonville.com
Now at dock at Mayport Naval Station for the final time, the crew of the oldest-serving Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate in the U.S. fleet is once again trying something new.
This time, it's figuring out how to help another crew from another country get ready to run its ship.
"It's been a learning experience as we've gone along," said Cmdr. Paul Young, commanding officer of the ship.
Shortly after the McInerney arrived home in April from its final deployment under the U.S. flag, a crew of Pakistani sailors began readying to sail the vessel to its new home more than 7,000 miles away.
At the end of August, the ship will be decommissioned - the first of Mayport's 13 frigates to be retired - and turned over to Pakistan. The country is paying upwards of $65 million to buy and refurbish the ship, money which the United States has given it as a friendly non-NATO ally.
Rechristened the PNS Alamgir, the frigate will go into a shipyard for the rest of the year before getting under way with the new crew.
A handover like this is known as a hot transfer, in which the vessel isn't packed away waiting for the new owner.
It's the preferred method for another country to take ownership, said Bob Gronenberg, deputy program manager for ship transfers at the Naval Sea Systems Command.
"We have the benefit of joint training," he said. "On-the-job training is the best form of training."
About 160 Pakistani crew members are taking part in the transfer, spending their days working on the ship and living on a berthing barge docked nearby.
Eventually, about 200 Pakistani sailors will train here and then be the ship's crew as it crosses the ocean.
Getting the Pakistanis ready for the job has fallen to the sailors who took the ship on its last U.S. deployment.
Even while still at sea, Young said, the crew was already pulling together a training plan, something that's never been done from the ground up.
"We took the core competencies that we have to do and drilled down from there," he said.
That meant looking at each piece of what the crew does - from air warfare to communications to ship handling - and figuring out how to teach them.
The captain talks with his Pakistani counterpart each day, doing his own form of training as the two discuss ship handling, daily routine aboard the vessel and other issues of command.
"They are really interested in emulating how we do business here," the captain said.
The actual teaching has gone smoothly, said some of the sailors involved in the process.
"It's easy to train people when they're ready to learn," said Petty Officer 1st Class Juan Pena.
As well as the training, the 140 U.S. crew members still aboard also take care of maintenance issues and other typical pierside jobs.
Much of that routine work is done on Friday, when the Pakistani sailors don't work.
"Friday is their holy day, and Friday is our McInerney day," Young said.
The Navy looked to raise awareness of such things before the Pakistanis arrived, putting the crew through two days of sensitivity training.
"Once we got engaged, we realized we're both professionals," said Lt. Cmdr. Eric Keiser, executive officer of the ship. "Everything fell into place. Now it's like you don't even think about it."
Cultural issues have affected even seemingly minor things, such as the timing of the handover ceremony.
The ship will be turned over to Pakistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, with the ceremony held after sunset, because observant Muslims will be fasting during the day.
Getting ready for that day just a few weeks from now has been made easier by the experience of the Pakistani crew members, who Young said already know basic seamanship and just have to learn the specifics of the McInerney.
The experience of the incoming crew is testimony to how important the vessel will be at its new home.
Pakistan has focused on beefing up its navy in recent years, including buying four frigates from China last year.
"This ship will be a capital ship for Pakistan," Young said.
Knowing that helps ease the pain some of the sailors feel as they prepare to say goodbye to a ship with such a storied history.
"It makes me feel good to know she'll still be fighting the fight," Petty Officer 2nd Class Eric Gordon said. "I would love to see how it turns out."
McInerney sailors help prepare Pakistani crew to take over ship | jacksonville.com
photos of the training session
Photos | jacksonville.com
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well commented sir,Isnt the feeling mutual? We know how much love the US has for us Pakistanis and why only after the WOT, have we seen such toys coming our way, before that we were refused even for the toys that we already payed for.
By the way if you ask any Pakistani does he hate America or Americans, his answer will be no however if you ask him if he/she hates the US policies, his/her answer definitely will be a big yes.
really enjoyed going through this one.
for people who say that Pakistn is trying to play a double face with US where on one side they say they hate US (however as you say it is not american taht we dislike but there double standard policies) and on other habd we also ask them for support , they must also realize that the fact taht all these toys are comming out of US own intrests.
we dont require old Mi17 to fight defence ourselves from Indian Aggression, infact we cannot use them there with US ready to give all the big gus to India at there disposal.
to defend and protect ourselves from indian aggression, military top brass must opt for front line machines that have no US strings attached. either this be FC20, U214, F22p Al Khalid or Missile program.
the US toys are just sort of bribe, in a war, htat we would have fought for ourself. now if this war is also in there intrest there is no bad is seeking help from them.
regadrs!
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The officers and crew of the USS McInerney are training Pakistani sailors how to run the ship. Docked in Mayport Naval Station in Jacksonville, Florida, the ship is slated to be handed over in late August.
Watch: McInerney Training
She has and apparently will retain, judging from both the video and pics, 2 flank mounted 25mm chaingun mounts.
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