None the Rapists convicted in 5 years !

[Bratva]

It is strange that there is no conviction. There can be two reasons -
i. No such crime takes place in Pakistan.
ii. The system is fatally flawed.

It's your country. Do whatever you please.

^ This. System works on Evidences. There are no evidences in majority cases. What do you expect then?

Now you are doing it right, countering the subject at hand with logic.

How about giving your insight into what is preventing the law from convicting these rapists?

Do you belong from an alien culture where you don't understand what cultural and technical reasons prevent from convicting these rapists ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

What got you undies in twist Gautam? Are we discussing india or western or muslim nations here or it is a Pakistani related topic?

IND_PAK, is this what kind of discussion you want ?

To be honest and fair, the discussion has not yet started. The only response from Pakistanis so far has been to attack the messenger, with a couple of exceptions. Once honest introspection is done, only then can a discussion start.

^ This. System works on Evidences. There are no evidences in majority cases. What do you expect then?




Do you belong from an alien culture where you don't understand what cultural and technical reasons prevent from convicting these rapists ?

Good.

So lack of evidence implies rapes don't happen in Pakistan. I am really glad in that case. Keep it up. I figured this report is a lie.

 

[Bratva]

To be honest and fair, the discussion has not yet started. The only response from Pakistanis so far has been to attack the messenger, with a couple of exceptions. Once honest introspection is done, only then can a discussion start.

Did he start start to discuss or did he start to judge and generalize whole Pakistan? Given his record and posting habits, If he opened thread with serious discussions, he would have put his questions at the end of his first post, asking what he wants to know about particular topic, that he felt so necessary to open and discuss it with "INTERNATIONAL AUDIENCE" instead of tagging other posters (indian ones especially).

What kind of introspection is needed ? Is India or pakistan an educated society where they are capable of doing introspections ?

 

[illusion8]

and more to that I dont tagged any troll from any side.

] rather wasting your energy on getting this thread deleted, why not you give your opinion on Hudood ordinance.

According to a report by the National Commission on Status of Women(NCSW) "an estimated 80% of women" in jail in 2003 were there as because "they had failed to prove rape charges and were consequently convicted of adultery."

Your opinion please?

WTF!??

The victim gets jailed for not being able to prove it or not bringing any witnesses?. That's pathetic. Any explanation for this abhorrence by our esteemed hosts - though it was a decade back - has that law been removed yet?.

 

[Bratva]

WTF!??

The victim gets jailed for not being able to prove it or not bringing any witnesses?. That's pathetic. Any explanation for this abhorrence by our esteemed hosts?.

Another ignorant jump in discussion. tch tch

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Did he start start to discuss or did he start to judge and generalize whole Pakistan? Given his record and posting habits, If he opened thread with serious discussions, he would have put his questions at the end of his first instead of tagging other posters (indian ones especially).

What kind of introspection is needed ? Is India or pakistan an educated society where they are capable of doing introspections ?[/quote]
At least we can start. The same Indians you accuse of trolling were accepting our own faults in Areesh's 'rape threads'. But for the issue at hand, the previous statement can be considered hilarious.

 

[PoKeMon]

What got you undies in twist Gautam? Are we discussing india or western or muslim nations here or it is a Pakistani related topic?

IND_PAK, is this what kind of discussion you want ?

Not exactly that, but then dont we have to survive such digressing posts in any of thread irrespective of how much mature topic is in hand?

Ignore them.

 

[illusion8]

Another ignorant jump in discussion. tch tch

Yeah, I am ignorant - you see I didn't exactly know about this retarded law, please enlighten me.

 

[Bratva]

Accepting faults ? Faults that exists, are visible, acknowledged by every one, What kind of acceptance is needed? Just to satisfy some sick mentality eh ? @SarthakGanguly

 

[PoKeMon]

Do you belong from an alien culture where you don't understand what cultural and technical reasons prevent from convicting these rapists ?

Seriously not!

We know both Indian and pakistani society condemns these rapist and rape to the core. In India we have this menace but we are convicting these rapist even to death and setting up fast courts, what is preventing conviction in pakistan? Process, law or religious sentiments?

 

[Bratva]

To be honest and fair, the discussion has not yet started. The only response from Pakistanis so far has been to attack the messenger, with a couple of exceptions. Once honest introspection is done, only then can a discussion start.


Good.

So lack of evidence implies rapes don't happen in Pakistan. I am really glad in that case. Keep it up. I figured this report is a lie.

Who says there are no rapes in Pakistan? Or is another brownie point scoring comment

 

[Icarus]

Rape conviction in Pakistan (and India) is a difficult goal to achieve for the reason that we are still following an archaic, neo-colonial legal system that needs to be scrapped ASAP. It is flawed on numerous levels and drafted keeping in mind that higher offices will be occupied by individuals from Britannia who will not share the subject society's biases and beliefs. Here's a brief step ladder system that disqualifies rape cases so that there are zero conviction:

1. Rape carried out by locals, baradari system comes into play, matter is buried for good, victim married off to rapists.

2. If the victim protests, elders intervene and try to impose a solution which may see the victim killed or married off to the rapists.

3. If the victim persists (and survives), the matter reaches local police who will avoid becoming involved in "Internal Family Matters" because they are also from the local populace and will tell the victim of the humiliation she will have to face and encourage her instead to marry the rapists.n

4. When the higher matter goes to the lower courts, the rapists can easily blame the victim of being a woman of low character and bribe the judge to work for an out of court settlement that, you guessed it, urges the victim to marry her rapists.

5. The case reaches the higher courts, if by some miracle the victim and her family are not dead yet and they keep issuing date after date until finally the case is disqualified for lack of evidence.

Keep in mind that this doesn't happen in Pakistan alone, this is a common phenomena in the entire sub-continent and it requires more than cheap point scoring and finger pointing to overcome, a more determined effort is needed to ensure that our societies and kin can foster to their true potential.

 

[Bratva]

Seriously not!

We know both Indian and pakistani society condemns these rapist and rape to the core. In India we have this menace but we are convicting these rapist even to death and setting up fast courts, what is preventing conviction in pakistan? Process, law or religious sentiments?

Some high profile cases get fast tracked, prisoners get condemned. It's similar story in Pakistan as well

Post 34 explains your query pretty well !

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Who says there are no rapes in Pakistan? Or is another brownie point scoring comment

Are you kidding me? As an Indian I will be the last one to brag about that.

Though I know rapes in India are relatively few as compared to other countries, but still.

 

[faisal6309]

Another rape thread