Angry mob in lahore almost killed shabaz shrif. This is future for asim munir as well

[Baghial]

There is a certain way of thinking on PDF, even adopted by mods and it is expected that everybody adopts that way of thinking.

The thinking is that IK is to be worshipped like a Demi God while everything that Army does is wrong, no questions asked.

The reality is quite different. The reality dwells outside PDF. Reality is that IK and Army both are wrong and both are right. There is no absolute right or absolute wrong.

Let me give you an example. It’s a popular belief that IK spoke against Army and now the truth had been revealed about Army that Army controls Govt etc. This truth was always there but a certain truth that IK is a hypocrite who knew army is helping him come to power and he accepted this manner of becoming PM is ignored, why ? Coz it doesn’t suit PTI fan base narrative.

There are many other hypocritical things that IK did but you what’s the worst ? IL tried bringing in the same scenario of 1971. This Bengali origin Zia ul Islam knows it. You know the mutiny’s by EBR units of PA by Bengali origin troops ? The units stopped functioning after they were reduced to between 10-30% strength.

Imagine today, the soldiers did the same. Pakistan is fighting a two front war. The eternal front is Eastern front with India and the western front with TTP/BLA. If the soldiers started listening to PTI’s hatred propaganda against army and COAS and believed in it, they would have deserted and mutiny’s would have been on the rise. Suppose, 30-50% PA officers had followed IK towards an uprising against COAS and PA. Do you know what would have happened ?

Firstly, PA would have become ineffective as a fighting formation, which means FC and Rangers would have lost commands too. This would have let India build up forces and ask the world for a coalition multinational force to attack and secure Pakistan. Secondly, the compromise of nukes Is the excuse that USA wants to send forces to Pakistan permanently till the last nuke is extracted from Pakistan. Thirdly, Pakistan would have been broken into pieces as army would have been divided. Maybe some elements would have joined TTP/BLA, I said maybe. Fourthly, before India could muster up forces and USA would have sneaked in CIA into Pakistan, the Chinese would have dropped in their assets to help the remaining forces of Pakistan Army secure Chinese investment. And there would have been more destruction that we already know. It’s a long list.

So because of one maniac to come in power, one mad man to rule as PM, IK, the country Pakistan would have broken into small pieces and then IK would have ruled what was left as a miniature Pakistan. This is the path IK was set upon.

Now what IK should have done was quite different considering that he is more than FA pass (I think) and had probably good knowledge and exposure than military leaders (according to his fan base of PDF), but what did this Khard-dimagh psycho do ? Tried to create divisions upon Losing power. Do genuine leaders do that ? No. IK would have allowed Pakistan to break through the ways and means he was behaving after losing PM seat. If it’s said by PDF members that Army leadership is no good then sorry to say IK has proved to be a bigger blunder set on a path of destruction for Pakistan.

IK’s education, exposure, knowledge, leadership and other qualities as parroted by PDF members, where are those ? Where were those when he was in power to consolidate his power as PM for a long term ? He showed his true colours after losing PM seat, a man set out to destroy Pakistan to become PM of Pakistan again.

I shudder to think what if troops had listened to IK, they would have stopped doing their duties, probably deserted units, any ongoing operations would have suffered, tomorrow LOC would have been vacant from Pakistan side, a general or another officer leading coup after coup - just so that IK can regain power even if Pakistan is taken over by hostile forces. There are ways to do things, IK could have done better but if it’s said by PDF members that Army is FA pass then IK proved himself not more than a primary pass student of primary school. If he had any educational strata at his disposal, he could have carved out a plan to remain in power during Bajwa tenure and then would have taken Asim Munerr into confidence to stay in power, slowly weakening military strength in politics and power.

Remember, in Pakistan, it’s the person in the seat who can make things move easily, after leaving the seat he holds no power, then it’s up to the next man. IK could have done wonders had he consolidated his position as PM. The Army was always controlling the threads, IK knew that, he just had to remain in power and weaken those threads. The public support can go to hell in this regard. What did 24 million do when IK was sent to jail, did they stop him from going to jail, free him ? Lol no.

IK is no different from other politicians, they also do a good thing or two for Pakistan but actually are termites. IK did good things for Pakistan too but became hell bent on causing chaos after losing PM seat. No different than others. As for Army, they shouldn’t be the ones pulling threads, but realistically, they have to since the civilians just come for 5 years or less, where as Army since beginning has been progressing steadily to invest in defence and other ventures including nukes and missies, they won’t allow all that to be broken and thrown away.

Millions are still delusioned by the nazi joker..
And still prfer to live allusions...


IK KHAAN ID ROOSTED GOOSE .GAME OVER..

THANKS TO ALLAH ALL MIGHTY.

Pakistan Fauj Generals murdabad!

Pakistan is a failed banana republic of Faujistan!... lol

Pak army zindabad.
General hafiz munir shah zada..

Death to the followers of shaitan ..

Hafiz jee tunn keh rekhoo...

 

[LeGenD]

There is a certain way of thinking on PDF, even adopted by mods and it is expected that everybody adopts that way of thinking.

The thinking is that IK is to be worshipped like a Demi God while everything that Army does is wrong, no questions asked.

The reality is quite different. The reality dwells outside PDF. Reality is that IK and Army both are wrong and both are right. There is no absolute right or absolute wrong.

Let me give you an example. It’s a popular belief that IK spoke against Army and now the truth had been revealed about Army that Army controls Govt etc. This truth was always there but a certain truth that IK is a hypocrite who knew army is helping him come to power and he accepted this manner of becoming PM is ignored, why ? Coz it doesn’t suit PTI fan base narrative.

There are many other hypocritical things that IK did but you what’s the worst ? IL tried bringing in the same scenario of 1971. This Bengali origin Zia ul Islam knows it. You know the mutiny’s by EBR units of PA by Bengali origin troops ? The units stopped functioning after they were reduced to between 10-30% strength.

Imagine today, the soldiers did the same. Pakistan is fighting a two front war. The eternal front is Eastern front with India and the western front with TTP/BLA. If the soldiers started listening to PTI’s hatred propaganda against army and COAS and believed in it, they would have deserted and mutiny’s would have been on the rise. Suppose, 30-50% PA officers had followed IK towards an uprising against COAS and PA. Do you know what would have happened ?

Firstly, PA would have become ineffective as a fighting formation, which means FC and Rangers would have lost commands too. This would have let India build up forces and ask the world for a coalition multinational force to attack and secure Pakistan. Secondly, the compromise of nukes Is the excuse that USA wants to send forces to Pakistan permanently till the last nuke is extracted from Pakistan. Thirdly, Pakistan would have been broken into pieces as army would have been divided. Maybe some elements would have joined TTP/BLA, I said maybe. Fourthly, before India could muster up forces and USA would have sneaked in CIA into Pakistan, the Chinese would have dropped in their assets to help the remaining forces of Pakistan Army secure Chinese investment. And there would have been more destruction that we already know. It’s a long list.

So because of one maniac to come in power, one mad man to rule as PM, IK, the country Pakistan would have broken into small pieces and then IK would have ruled what was left as a miniature Pakistan. This is the path IK was set upon.

Now what IK should have done was quite different considering that he is more than FA pass (I think) and had probably good knowledge and exposure than military leaders (according to his fan base of PDF), but what did this Khard-dimagh psycho do ? Tried to create divisions upon Losing power. Do genuine leaders do that ? No. IK would have allowed Pakistan to break through the ways and means he was behaving after losing PM seat. If it’s said by PDF members that Army leadership is no good then sorry to say IK has proved to be a bigger blunder set on a path of destruction for Pakistan.

IK’s education, exposure, knowledge, leadership and other qualities as parroted by PDF members, where are those ? Where were those when he was in power to consolidate his power as PM for a long term ? He showed his true colours after losing PM seat, a man set out to destroy Pakistan to become PM of Pakistan again.

I shudder to think what if troops had listened to IK, they would have stopped doing their duties, probably deserted units, any ongoing operations would have suffered, tomorrow LOC would have been vacant from Pakistan side, a general or another officer leading coup after coup - just so that IK can regain power even if Pakistan is taken over by hostile forces. There are ways to do things, IK could have done better but if it’s said by PDF members that Army is FA pass then IK proved himself not more than a primary pass student of primary school. If he had any educational strata at his disposal, he could have carved out a plan to remain in power during Bajwa tenure and then would have taken Asim Munerr into confidence to stay in power, slowly weakening military strength in politics and power.

Remember, in Pakistan, it’s the person in the seat who can make things move easily, after leaving the seat he holds no power, then it’s up to the next man. IK could have done wonders had he consolidated his position as PM. The Army was always controlling the threads, IK knew that, he just had to remain in power and weaken those threads. The public support can go to hell in this regard. What did 24 million do when IK was sent to jail, did they stop him from going to jail, free him ? Lol no.

IK is no different from other politicians, they also do a good thing or two for Pakistan but actually are termites. IK did good things for Pakistan too but became hell bent on causing chaos after losing PM seat. No different than others. As for Army, they shouldn’t be the ones pulling threads, but realistically, they have to since the civilians just come for 5 years or less, where as Army since beginning has been progressing steadily to invest in defence and other ventures including nukes and missies, they won’t allow all that to be broken and thrown away.

You have covered some of the points. I will point out another problem.

The fundamental problem is the "corrupt elitist culture" that permeates all state organs. People at the top most positions in all state organizations are living like kings and given everything for FREE. These people live in state-funded castles and do not have time for (and desire to) meeting common man and understanding his issues. These people typically find themselves in the company of opportunistic bureaucrats and other elitists. This system is designed to cloud one's sense of morality and justice and compromises are made to move things forward because its perks cannot be refused under the garb of "security." Elites continue to benefit from other elites in this arrangement.

Khan found himself in the company of misfits via his 3rd marriage who clouded his judgement. Bushra Bibi belongs to a politically influential family - sounds familiar, right? Elites continue to benefit from other elites - business as usual.

The current chapter of discontent is not due to Khan in jail (maybe on PDF but not in the streets on a broader level). People are rather upset to see the Establishment in bed with previously tried and tested political criminals and whitewashing their crimes - some of which cannot be forgiven. Khan's Toshakhana case is NOTHING in comparison. The "corrupt elitist culture" continues to show that it is not suited for Pakistan - the polticial elites are a HUGE DRAIN on Pakistan's already limited resources and do not desire a system of justice and fairness. Pakistani judiciary is corrupt to the bone as well.

This country has no future if it continues like this for indefinite period. No matter how strong the army is, it can do nothing if the society falls apart at some point due to prevalence of corruption and injustice.

Putting Khan in jail = end of all troubles? Wishful thinking.

1. Pakistani judiciary should be REFORMED to provide justice with Supreme Court having its own force to enforce rule of law when it is broken.
2. CSS system should be ABOLISHED and bureaucracy should be cut to size.
3. Parliament should be ABOLISHED and Presidential system should be chosen to reduce expenditure and political dukaan daari of the political elites.
4. Perks for people in top most positions in all organizations should but significantly reduced to cultivate a sense of responsibility.

Even the modern British political system is very fair in comparison to Pakistani elitist political system.

 

[Vortex]

Hopefully IK burns in hell in life and afterlife for inciting such mobs and spreading hatred. He could have achieved his aims differently but stands as khard Dimagh. No use of such education and exposure. IK is a curse on Pakistanis.

Once I read on a social media, don’t remember which one :

May Allah’s curse be upon all corrupts and their children till the Qayamat !

Say Ameen !

 

[kingQamaR]

There’s absolutely NOTHING the unelected Pakistan Government can do to meaningfully change the plight of the poor because it doesn’t know how or wants to, how will those millions poor families earn a living thereafter since corruption, cronyism and party allegiance determine who gets jobs in the GOv led by unfortunately by our Pakistan Army. 70 years later and the Pakistan Army and the elite can still not take responsibility and accountability for their incompetence Greed and power has blinded people in position of power from military / politicians!

 

[JX-1]

IK was not an Army experiment. Not sure why people feel they can peddle this "horse-sh*t".

Because regardless of how much support he has now, in 2018 he literally was brought into power by the Army, and he was a unique and unpredictable choice, hence "experiment."

 

[Black.Mamba]

NS is coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709978615704621157

Haramkhoor

 

[IceCold]

Imagine today, the soldiers did the same. Pakistan is fighting a two front war. The eternal front is Eastern front with India and the western front with TTP/BLA. If the soldiers started listening to PTI’s hatred propaganda against army and COAS and believed in it, they would have deserted and mutiny’s would have been on the rise. Suppose, 30-50% PA officers had followed IK towards an uprising against COAS and PA. Do you know what would have happened ?

Firstly, PA would have become ineffective as a fighting formation, which means FC and Rangers would have lost commands too. This would have let India build up forces and ask the world for a coalition multinational force to attack and secure Pakistan. Secondly, the compromise of nukes Is the excuse that USA wants to send forces to Pakistan permanently till the last nuke is extracted from Pakistan. Thirdly, Pakistan would have been broken into pieces as army would have been divided. Maybe some elements would have joined TTP/BLA, I said maybe. Fourthly, before India could muster up forces and USA would have sneaked in CIA into Pakistan, the Chinese would have dropped in their assets to help the remaining forces of Pakistan Army secure Chinese investment. And there would have been more destruction that we already know. It’s a long list.

You should have thought about that when you threw an elected government at the behest of foreign masters. Tab yad nahi aya? This isn't the first time you did that. Yeh dooms day scenario and army being the saviour will not sell anymore. You lot have been manipulating Pakistanis for far too long. Not anymore.
Also if Khan came from your support then why is it taking so long for you lot to stop and end that support? Why do you have to rely on kidnapping people and torturing them to leave PTI?
The reason is because he did not come from your support, never needed it nor will he do in the future. Otherwise long before this Musharraf too offered him premiership, if he was so power hungry he would have jumped the bandwagon. He did not.
If anything he was twice robbed by you lot of his seats to make a government that can be managed. Otherwise he would have easily secured 2/3rd.

 

[Kingdom come]

Ik vs fauj

 

[PWFI]

Great keep it, Haramzadei killing each others, keep it up Chootyas, for the first time phull support from my side.

 

[ziaulislam]

It's been done time and time again. The establishment has no built-in mechanism to remove a rogue COAS, because the COAS is the establishment.

Chain of command is preserved at all costs, even if that cost includes losing Pakistan or half of it in 1971. Only time the chain of command goes out the window is when the US demands it, as seen with Zia.

The COAS position must never again wield this much power if Pakistan is to have a future. The US command structure is a great place to look for inspiration. Patriots within the establishment must remove Asim Munir for the sake of national interest and any COAS that threatens the state through his actions.

COAS and military must never again have control over the ISI, which forms the basis of their power to control or remove governments. US, Russia, Israel, India, UK all have separate external intelligence and internal intelligence agencies that are civilian-led and free from military control.

Wrong
Establishmemt isn't the COAS. It's the corps commanders who are hand picked by Pakistani, American and global establishment

We have ample examples where Corps commanders forced people out

Like forcing mushi out, forcing Zia out, forcing Zia protege not to take the power and so on

COAS doesn't has a single corps under his command he is no one without his corps commanders

Establishmemt is the elite of central punjab thats where all of your corps commanders, judges and media personal come from

 

[TigerOfMysore]

Wrong
Establishmemt isn't the COAS. It's the corps commanders who are hand picked by Pakistani, American and global establishment

We have ample examples where Corps commanders forced people out

Like forcing mushi out, forcing Zia out, forcing Zia protege not to take the power and so on

COAS doesn't has a single corps under his command he is no one without his corps commanders

Establishmemt is the elite of central punjab thats where all of your corps commanders, judges and media personal come from

Corp commanders were king makers 25+ years ago. With Musharraf that changed with speed as he put in a structure that helped him bypass the Institutional inertia in order to do things that were not consensus driven (and some can argue against Pakistan's sovereignty). And since then the centrality of power into the office of the COAS combined with the neutering of the JAG (which happened well before Musharraf) - has made the office of the COAS and the office of the DG ISI above all. Ever since Zia I can argue that the office of the COAS has grabbed onto more and more power, thereby dismantling the Institution of the Pakistani Army. Pakistani Army today is run by at most 3-5 men. You get them aligned and everything else follows. Our enemies have understood this weakness and have taken full advantage of it now. Enemies within and outside our borders. Pakistan as a nation will not survive this structural weakness.

 

[Trailer23]

look who's talking

You were AWOL, just like @Windjammer .

Bus ab @Imran Khan bhee ajaey tou tafree.com ho.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Somebody should check showbaz pants, were they leaking yellow fluid?

 

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709667210321338574

جج ابوالحسنات کی عدالت میں کیا ہوا؟؟

دوستو!

آج اڈیالہ جیل میں عجب اور غضب مناظر دیکھنے
کو ملے۔
آج سے پہلے کبھی دیکھے اور نا سنے
شاید آج کے مناظر کلبھوشن یادیو جو بھارتی را کے ایجنٹ تھے کے ساتھ بھی نا گزرے ہوں گے۔

جج ابوالالحسنات کی عدالت اک چھوٹے سے کمرے میں لگائ گئ۔
ملزم کے لئے دوطرفہ الگ سے کٹہرا تیارکیا گیا تھا۔
جیسے ہی عمران خان صاحب کو عدالت میں
لایا گیا تو سیدھا کٹہرے میں کھڑا کر دیا
بے حسی اور بےشرمی کی بات یہ ہے کہ
کٹہرے کے چاروں طرف لوہے کی جالی لگی ہوئ تھی
اس جالی میں خان صاحب کو کھڑا کیا گیا
تمام سوال و جواب اسی کٹہرے میںہوئے۔
شاہ مھمودقریشی کے ساتھ بھی یہی کچھ دہرایا
گیا۔
جب شاہ صاحب نے خان صاحب سے مصافہ کرنے کی
اجازت چاہی تو جج اور سیکورٹی نے اس جالی سے
نکالنے سے انکار کردیا۔
بالاآخر اس لوہے کی جالی جس میں سے ہاتھ
کی ایک انگلی اندر جانا بھی محال ہے
شاہ صاحب نے جالی کے اوپر ہاتھ رکھ کر خان صاھب سے سلام کیا۔
اسی دوران جج صاحب نے عمران خان سے
جیل میں دی گئ سہولیات بارے پوچھا
جس پر خان صاحب نے ناچاہتے ہوئےبھی
بس اتنا کہا
اگر عدالت میں ان جالیوں کے پیچھے رکھا جارہا
ہے تو جیل میں کیا حالات ہونگے
لیکن مجھے اس سے کوئ فرق نہیں پڑتا
جہاں بھی اور جیسے بھی رکھیں مجھے کوئ شکایت نہیں۔
یہ لوگ اپنا پورا زور لگا لیں۔

یہ سب سن کر مخالف وکیل بھی ہکا بکا راہ
گئے کہ یہ کیسا شخص ہے جس پر
اس قدر سختی ہورہی ہے
اور یہ شکایت کرنے کو بھی تیار نہیں۔

ایک اور بات نے بہت تکلیف دی وہ یہ
کہ عمران خان کو عدالت کے اندر بھی ہتھکڑی لگائ ہوئ تھی۔
جو دوران سماعت بھی لگی رہی۔
جج کو شرم آئ اور نا ہی افسران اعلئ کو۔

سماعت کے بعد خان صاحب نے اپنے وکلا
کو کہا باہر جاکر بتائو میری کسی سے ڈیل
ہورہی ہے اور نا ہی ہوگی۔
میں اپنےنظریہ پر قائم ہوں۔

Rember people will burn your dead bodies.. come back before its too late. Asim Munier and anjam nadeem

Almost is not good enough, are they waiting till these bastards sell their mothers and wives before doing anything?

 

[ziaulislam]

Almost is not good enough, are they waiting till these bastards sell their mothers and wives before doing anything?

Next day they got invited and had drinks of tea with Shahbaz


Lahoris are very muhazib hence why even today N leagues have no issues going to their halkaa and will easily win the elections with slight engineering

Because they still hold 30% support with 30% people being neutral and only 30-40 supporting PTI

These numbers are supported by neutral anchors, PTI leaning anchors and surveys

Don't go by PDF it's mostly populated by overseas youthias like me

You have covered some of the points. I will point out another problem.

The fundamental problem is the "corrupt elitist culture" that permeates all state organs. People at the top most positions in all state organizations are living like kings and given everything for FREE. These people live in state-funded castles and do not have time for (and desire to) meeting common man and understanding his issues. These people typically find themselves in the company of opportunistic bureaucrats and other elitists. This system is designed to cloud one's sense of morality and justice and compromises are made to move things forward because its perks cannot be refused under the garb of "security." Elites continue to benefit from other elites in this arrangement.

Khan found himself in the company of misfits via his 3rd marriage who clouded his judgement. Bushra Bibi belongs to a politically influential family - sounds familiar, right? Elites continue to benefit from other elites - business as usual.

The current chapter of discontent is not due to Khan in jail (maybe on PDF but not in the streets on a broader level). People are rather upset to see the Establishment in bed with previously tried and tested political criminals and whitewashing their crimes - some of which cannot be forgiven. Khan's Toshakhana case is NOTHING in comparison. The "corrupt elitist culture" continues to show that it is not suited for Pakistan - the polticial elites are a HUGE DRAIN on Pakistan's already limited resources and do not desire a system of justice and fairness. Pakistani judiciary is corrupt to the bone as well.

This country has no future if it continues like this for indefinite period. No matter how strong the army is, it can do nothing if the society falls apart at some point due to prevalence of corruption and injustice.

Putting Khan in jail = end of all troubles? Wishful thinking.

1. Pakistani judiciary should be REFORMED to provide justice with Supreme Court having its own force to enforce rule of law when it is broken.
2. CSS system should be ABOLISHED and bureaucracy should be cut to size.
3. Parliament should be ABOLISHED and Presidential system should be chosen to reduce expenditure and political dukaan daari of the political elites.
4. Perks for people in top most positions in all organizations should but significantly reduced to cultivate a sense of responsibility.

Even the modern British political system is very fair in comparison to Pakistani elitist political system.

How can army supporters claim that both army and IK are wrong

Army has no role no opinion in politics so army simply can't say who is right or wrong

Pakistan is like apartheid South Africa where the whites genuinely believe they are doing a favour to the blacks
Just like apartheid united pakistan where west pakistani elete thought bengalis are alive due to us (source is Mr zubair interview when he was in Bengal and his father a general listen to it, he is not from PTI)

So problem is army generals genuinely believe that Pakistanis are alive due to them, it's a shared delusion created by them hence making them believe that by killing and abducting ordinary Pakistanis they are doing jihad and will be given space in janat firdos

Hence why like TTP Pakistan army also say Allah Akbar before slaughtering journalist or pulling their nails