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Mig 35 for Iraq

Rafale is a small better striker than the Hornet. It has better combat radius 1,000+mi on penetration mission compared to the Hornet 390mi. Although if Boeing had made the option for a CFT and EPE while talking to the Indian ministers they would've selected the Hornet. I doubt they will pick a new fighter since you guys have MKI. Rafale costs more actually. Doesn't the Indian Navy want a Mig-29K replacement?

MiG-29Ks are brand new, buddy. They were only delivered from 2008-09 onwards. So they will be staying in for quite some time before which we will be replacing them.

Stealth combat has an edge but is not the complete picture of how air warfare is fought. It is for the same reason that Raptors were stopped to be produced because of their cost. They are lethal but cannot be used over a sustained period of time which would only weaken the using air force.

Rafale is an excellent blend of typical French aeronautics that give us an excellent edge over our present threats and will be serving well into the next generation of warfare.

Any replacement of the Ks will be home-made jets (by then).
 
Rafale is expensive, and like you said it may see restrictions. As for multi role fighter, wouldn't the F-16 do the job? Depending on how many they're receiving and what it's coming with. If Iraq is looking for a cheaper alternative for a multi role fighter whilst also being effective maybe look at the Jf-17 or Gripen Jas 39 but the Mig is also a multirole fighter.

The Su-30 could also be one. Depending on what the Iraqi Air Force is looking for.

It is unlikely that Rafale can see any restrictions. The French are pretty neutral and even in our toughest of times, have ever sanctioned us. When NSG blocked us, they continued their supply of weapons support to our air force. Also, their quality is very good in terms of product support, maintenance solutions and other things.

But yes, they are expensive.

The Sukhoi jets will give them unprecedented edge over rest of the Middle East (barring probably Saudi which has a state of the art air force and of course, Israel which is a different case altogether). Weapons range, radar's range, supermaneuverability, aircraft range, aircraft payload, number of weapons stations... you name it.
 
The germans loved them,they've said that Mig's are the best invention in the world after sliced bread.The next day they gave them for nothing(as a donation) to the poles.:laughcry:

What do you expect? :omghaha: they've got the Tornados in hand back in the day :D
 
Can they make a robot or a flying car? :ashamed:

Check the number of robotics applied in German industries. In BMW's plants alone, you will find industrial robotics everywhere.

Saw this documentary on TV sometime ago; Germans are just the European version of the Japanese.

No wonder them two get along so well.
 
Check the number of robotics applied in German industries. In BMW's plants alone, you will find industrial robotics everywhere.

Saw this documentary on TV sometime ago; Germans are just the European version of the Japanese.

No wonder them two get along so well.

:yahoo: So....... where do you buy a robot?
 
I have a feeling the only way for us to get sophisticated western systems is to shake hands with Israel like the rest of the Arab world does secretly.
 
The germans loved them,they've said that Mig's are the best invention in the world after sliced bread.The next day they gave them for nothing(as a donation) to the poles.:laughcry:
They gave them to the poles after the laters integrated NATO. Here what, the one who are most likely to meet the MIG29 , think about the airplane.

The “Sting” has landed
In recent months, Russia negotiates the sales of MIG-29 fighter jets to Syria. This is a good time to recall that in 1997, under a heavy cloud of secrecy, three MIG-29 “Fulcrum” ("Sting" in Russian)) landed in Israel. For several weeks, Israeli test pilots learned the plane and its weapon systems inside and out, flown numerous hours, and tested the jet’s abilities when facing Israeli fighter jets
Noam Ofir | Udi Ezion | Nikolai Avrutov
“In terms of its abilities, the MIG-29 equals those of the F-15 and F-16 jets. In some respects it even surpasses the two”, said Major N, Chief Experimental Pilot of the MIG.



Three single seat MIG-29s stayed at one of the Israeli Air Force bases for a few weeks. The MIGs were secretly brought to Israel, and it was a rare opportunity for the air force to study up close what of the main interception jets used by Iran and Syria.

Lieut. Col. M was in charge of the test centre of the air force, and one of the few Israeli pilots to fly the MIG: “we are used to test foreign aircraft, as part of our purchasing procedure, but the MIG-29 was an out of the ordinary kind of test flight”, he said. “Not even for a moment did we forget that this aircraft is the most advanced strategic threat that exists at the arena today".

In order to fly the MIG-29s, the test-pilots had to undergo a special course. At the first stage, the crew learned of the special structure and systems of the jet. The language barrier was the main difficulty: the study material was all written in Russian, forcing the Israeli pilots to use a translator, and at times to improvise.

“The language post a great challenge, as the voice warning system in the aircraft, who alerts the pilot of potential malfunctions, spoke Russian”, says Lieut. Col. M. “The visual warning, that appear on screen, were all displayed in Cyrillic script as well".

Upon successful completion of the theoretical part, each pilot performed three flights with the jet.

“Since we are used to fly unfamiliar aircraft, it wasn’t a great challenge to fly the MIG-29 by ourselves right from the first time”, says Lieut. Col. M. “Within minutes sitting in the cockpit, I was comfortable. While everything around me was written in Russian, we labelled most of the instruments with English translation".

One of the things that caught the pilot’s attention was the difference in the Eastern approach to jet construction, characterising the MIG, and the western kind, typical of the F-15 and F-16. “One of the greatest tools available to the pilot in this jet, is its ability to land by itself, without the need for pilot’s involvement", Says Major N. “landing destination is entered into the computer before takeoff. In case of bad weather, or any other difficulty, hampering pilot’s ability to land, he simply needs to press a button, and the jet will land by itself. When testing the jet, we did not use this system for several reasons, but no doubt, it is a nice system. Another system worth of mentioning, is the one that stabilises the jet in case the pilot is affected by Vertigo disease, and loses his orientation in space. Such systems do not exist in western aircraft, counting on the pilot to handle such situations independently".

A serious opponent

The three jets were received at one of the air force bases, where they were thoroughly studied, and the first solo flights conducted. “I wasn’t too excited about the first solo flight on the MIG”, describes Lieut. Col. M. “What exciting, is the fact that so many people watched that premiere flight. It’s not every day that a MIG takes off the squadron’s runway. Everyone at the base stopped what they were doing to watch that jet fly".

There were several flights every day at which the weapon systems of the jets were tested. Each test flight began with a brief on the expected simulation, and each flight concluded by a thorough debrief, where both MIG pilots and those who simulated the “enemy” in Israeli jets.

“The debrief is the most serious part”, tells Lieut. Gen. G, one of the MIG-29 pilots. “This time, they were even more serious. After each flight, which last an hour, there was a two to three hours de-brief, sometimes even more”. Each of the test pilots accumulated 20 flight hours, gaining significant experience in operating the aircraft.

Studies of the aircraft confirmed it as a serious opponent in air combat. “MIG’s abilities equals and sometimes even exceeds those of the F-15 and F-16 jets”, says Major N, a test pilot. “The aircraft is highly manoeuvrable, and its engines provide higher weight to thrust ratio. Our pilots must be careful with this aircraft in air combat. Flown by a well trained professional, it is a worthy opponent".

Lieut. Gen. M shares the appreciation for the Russian aircraft: “flying the MIG was one of a kind type of experience for a test pilot. Now I know that the result of an air combat between the MIG and an Israeli fighter jet depends on how the combat develops. In a tight battle, it is a real threat. It’s an advanced aircraft, and in close manoeuvring engagements it is absolutely terrific. It makes sharp turns, it’s quick, and to my opinion, as a platform, it does not fall short of our advanced fighter jets".

Advantages and disadvantages

Test-Flying the MIG provided a lot of useful information regarding its weapon systems. “I was positively surprised by its systems”, says Lieut. Gen. G. “The different parts (Radar, helmet mounted display, and the missiles) are very well combined. The jet is equipped with an advanced air-to-air guided missiles, as well as radar guided missiles. The jet features an IRST (Infra Red Search and Track) system, which identifying targets by their heat signature, without using radar. All these, combined on a relatively good platform, result in an advanced weapons system. The MIG turned out to be an advanced fighter jet, similar to the F-15 and F-16 aircraft".

“The MIG has an excellent radar system”, says Major N. “I was also very impressed with the IRST system. The missile systems provide the jet with significant advantage. I made a good use of the Russian helmet, and I can say that it works fairly well. Having said that, it is less convenient than the Israeli system, and in some ways it falls short of it. Overall it works well".

There is a major disadvantage: difficulty to fully utilize the jet’s abilities. “One of the greatest problems of the MIG is its human engineering”, explains Major N. “Most of the systems installed are good overall, but their combination, and the user interface is cumbersome, and begs for an improvement. On several occasions, I needed a certain piece of information which was not showing on any of the cockpit instruments".

Trustworthy, Strong, Massive

Major H., an F-16 pilot underwent the MIG training course along with the test pilots, so in case of an emergency or a malfunction, he could guide the pilots over the radio on how to proceed. During the course, he also had flown the plane.

“It is a great experience for an Israeli jet pilot”, he says. “I was positively impressed with the overall simplicity of the jet. The important things are proper and simple. The ignition for example, is done with a single push of a button, following which there are only a few tests the pilot needs to perform. Its manoeuvrability was also very impressive".

For a long time, the MIG was regarded a replica of the American F-18. Major N. Had an opportunity to fly both, and to compare:

“You can see from the first glance, that there is a great resemblance between the two”, he says. “They both have a twin engine, a double tail, and an IRST system. But in contrast to the American jet, the MIG was designed with air combat as its main mission in mind. According to its designers, it can also serve as an attack aircraft as a secondary role, and it cannot carry a large amount of air-to-surface ammunition”.

Lieut. Col. G. Concludes: “The jets had very few malfunctions, and like other Russian products the MIG-29 is trustworthy, strong, and massive. The F-15 and F-16 are much more delicate, compared".

source:IAF Magazine Articles

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For the MiGs, the disadvantage was the work load of the pilot. With the upgrade of MIG to SMT/PUG standard, it is now okay.
 
This babe is made for EW for MiG-29 (don't know about MiG-35)
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Options BKO "Talisman" Threat type Name
"Talisman Block-1" (8.0-12.0 GHz) radar of the Su-27, Su-30, MiG-29, MiG-35, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22 , Mirage-2000, Rafale, Eurofighter, JAS-39 Gripen, Tornado
Aircraft missiles R-27, AIM-7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, MICA, Skyflash, Aspide, MATRA
Anti-aircraft missile systems S-125, S-300, MIM-23 Improved Hawk
"Talisman Block 2" (12.0-18.0 GHz) Aircraft missiles R-77 (RVV-AE)
Anti-aircraft missile systems 9K33M3 OSA-AKM, 9K331 Tor-M1, Roland-2, Crotale-NG
Anti-aircraft missile and gun complexes 2K22 Tunguska
Anti-aircraft artillery systems ZSU-23-4 Shilka, Gepard, Loara
"Talisman Block 3" (6.0-8.0 GHz) Anti-aircraft missile systems 2K12M3 (4) Cube-M3 (4) 9K37M1 (2) Buk-M1 (2)
"Talisman Block-3E» (4,0-6,0 GHz) Anti-aircraft missile systems MIM-104 Patriot PAC-2 (3)
Marking GER "Mascot block-12R» means that secures BKO airplane 8,0-18,0 GHz frequency range (wavelengths 2 and 3 cm.)
Index «R» means that the BKO "Talisman" is completed with a barrier for radar detection and warning of approaching aircraft crew or anti-aircraft guided missiles with optical (thermal) homing.
Maximum configuration of GER is configured to "Talisman Block-123ER».

The principle of the BKO "Talisman" is based on the re-emission (relay) probe signals from enemy radar endowing them with a special phase, frequency, amplitude and polarization modulation.
Modulated re-radiation leads to a distortion of the wave front, the perceived radar antenna systems (homing) of the enemy that has an impact on the angular, dalnostnye and speed (Doppler) gauges and radar tracking systems of the enemy. BKO "Talisman" affects the basic element of all modern radar - monopulse direction finder and violates his work.
BKO "Talisman" radio controlled fuses influences Aviation (anti-aircraft) missiles causing it to fire prematurely (undermining the attacking missiles at a safe distance from the protected aircraft).
Protection of aircraft from missiles with optical (thermal) homing, such as R-73 9M37 "Strela-10», AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-132 ASRAAM, is provided by means of the barrier radar. Barrier radar detects incoming missiles and defines its coordinates (bearing and distance) and issues a command to shoot a false thermal targets (LTC).
 
For the MiGs, the disadvantage was the work load of the pilot. With the upgrade of MIG to SMT/PUG standard, it is now okay.
Its short flying time ,which is 29 min, before running out fuel..Other than that, it is deadly even in the hand of a so so pilot.
 
I have a feeling the only way for us to get sophisticated western systems is to shake hands with Israel like the rest of the Arab world does secretly.

No, only KSA has an open access to Western weapons due to its military doctrine, all nations have failed. We only take our own customizations as a self-defense mechanism.
 

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