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Middle East ‘elites’: Turkey’s say in diplomacy on the rise

Every nation has its own psychic . Persians have strong cultural values , which attracts the world. They have one of the best educational system. For example , I hardly seen any poor Iranian in US. A good number are either doctors or professors. If travel LA , its all Little Tehran. Don t accept domination from anyone. But they have cultural arrogance .
If someone really need to know the poetry and painting, then I would recommend see Iran. Or Omar Khayam., Roomi , Sherazi etc etc.....
Well, also reading the english translation of modern arab poetry after the fall of ottoman empire .

Makes no difference. Every country has its own history, cultural values, and heritage.

And Yet, Iran in the eyes of the West is a state-sponsoring terror.
 
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@Yzd Khalifa @BLACKEAGLE @al-Hasani c'mon fellas. Don't take them serious. It's like that as Black eagle remembers right :lol: too bad. I'm thinking of establishing a Jealousy Club in PDF :lol:

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Subject is more or less Turkey being the most powerful state in the Middle East in 2023 and having diplomatic weigh.

But this a study made by a Turkish university and without the participants from GCC countries, Jordan or Iran. As an Iranian can you express your thoughts about the subject.

I wouldn't agree with the word "most", it's diplomatic weigh comes from it's consistency with Arab interests, as it's gets Arab support and agreement.
 
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Turkey and Iran are already the most powerful Muslim countries in the region.

Turkey along with the KSA are the most powerful, and Turkey strength comes from it's pro Arab policy. Iran is isolated and alienated except for terror groups here or there and it's even losing them.
 
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:lol:.......I think you know well what it is atatwolf...:coffee:

Atatwolf calmed down as he found out that the real enemies of Turks are in Turkey itself, and not in Iran.

Turkey along with the KSA are the most powerful, and Turkey strength comes from it's pro Arab policy. Iran is isolated and alienated except for terror groups here or there and it's even losing them.

Iran is more stronger than KSA and Turkey together. That is why you guys co-operate and Iran doesn't. But IMO KSA is a worthy opponent of Iran; Turkey not really. They shouldn't be though.

And before you go mad; I am not talking about conventional power or anything like that.
 
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Atatwolf calmed down as he found out that the real enemies of Turks are in Turkey itself, and not in Iran.



Iran is more stronger than KSA and Turkey together. That is why you guys co-operate and Iran doesn't. But IMO KSA is a worthy opponent of Iran; Turkey not really. They shouldn't be though.

And before you go mad; I am not talking about conventional power or anything like that.

You're so deluded and just live in an imaginary world, Iran is isolated, and cooperation in isolating it doesn't mean it's a super duper country, hell, even the tiny rag tag Qaeda got the whole world united and cooperating against them, but that doesn't mean it's the strongest in the world not even strong.
 
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You're so deluded and just live in an imaginary world, Iran is isolated, and cooperation in isolating it doesn't mean it's a super duper country, hell, even the tiny rag tag Qaeda got the whole world united and cooperating against them, but that doesn't mean it's the strongest in the world not even strong.

Iran isn't isolated, as I have told you before. It is supported by NAM-countries (approx. 66% of countries in the world), it has several important positions in the UN, and regionally cooperates with various countries, ranging from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, Georgia, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, etc. You are delusional.

Al Qaeda is a phantom; it doesn't really exist. The Gulfies and Saudis on the other hand are terrified of Iran, as we can read in various reports and articles. You guys should praise God that the US is on your side.
 
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Pray tell me what Turkey has done for Sunnis all these years? Oh yeah and making their women take off the hijab does not count. :lol:

Turkey wanted to be a part of Europe but failed so now they want to have some influence in the middle east but they will find no takers.
The middle east will continue to be influenced by the GCC(mostly your KSA) and Iran until one or the other completely cripples the others influence.

Without Turkey help for FSA, god knows what would have happen to Syrians by now. Turkey stance with Syrians is unforgettable and it should be warmly embraced in Arab world, which resulted in unprecedented political, diplomatic, and economic clout for Turkey after it was barely mentioned in the ME or global policy. Turkey is shining as long as it works with Arab partners on mutual interests basis.
 
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Here you go BLACKEAGLE, a recent article by the Wall Street Journal:

At the U.N., Iran Is a Powerhouse, Not a Pariah

President Obama likes to describes Iran as "isolated." But there is nothing lonely about Iran's berth at the United Nations, where in the corridors and on the boards of powerful agencies, the Islamic Republic has been cultivating its own mini-empire.

How can that be? Iran is in mocking violation of four U.N. Security Council sanctions resolutions demanding an end to its illicit nuclear activities. The General Assembly has passed a series of resolutions condemning Iran's atrocious human-rights record (albeit with almost as many abstentions as "yes" votes). The U.N.'s main host country, the United States, lists Iran as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism.

Yet Iran is no pariah at the U.N., where there are no in-house penalties for being under sanctions or for violating them. Among the 193 member states, terror-sponsoring, uranium-enriching rogue regimes enjoy the same access, privileges and immunities as Canada or Japan—and at far less expense in U.N. dues.

Monstrous human-rights records don't interfere with acquiring plum seats, either. The U.N. has always made room for murderous governments—from the U.N.'s charter seat on the Security Council for Stalin's Soviet Union to Syria's current post on the human-rights committee of the U.N. Educational, Cultural and Scientific Organization.

Few have exploited this setup as adroitly as Iran. While the U.S. pays for roughly one-quarter of the U.N.'s $30 billion-plus systemwide annual budget, Iran chips in about $9 million in core dues. Whatever additional resources Iran's regime might allocate for its U.N.-related labors, they appear to be spent mainly on fielding big missions to U.N. offices in places such as New York and Vienna, horse-trading behind the scenes, and buttering up the U.N. bureaucracy.

Iran currently heads the second-largest voting bloc in the U.N. General Assembly, the 120-member Non-Aligned Movement (which isn't an official U.N. body but a caucus with a rotating secretariat hosted by whichever country holds the three-year chairmanship). The movement's members wield considerable voting power at the U.N., but most are reluctant to pony up the resources to take the lead. After oil-rich Iran snapped up the job, it was rewarded last year with a movement summit in Tehran attended by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. These days, when Iran's diplomats speak at U.N. meetings, they often double as the voice of a nonaligned bloc that includes more than half the U.N.'s member countries.

Since coming under U.N. sanctions in 2006, Iran has also won seats on the governing boards of many major U.N. agencies. Some of these agencies handle billions every year in funds donated chiefly by Western nations, especially the U.S. This year, Iran won a three-year seat on the 36-member executive board of the U.N.'s flagship agency, the U.N. Development Program, which operates billion-dollar budgets across more than 170 countries.

Along with its seat on the U.N. Commission on the Status of Women (naturally), Iran also sits on the 36-member executive board of the U.N.'s children's agency, Unicef—a neat trick for a country that leads the world in executions of juveniles. Iran also sits on the boards of the U.N. Population Fund and the U.N. Office for Project Services (which deals with procurement and U.N. contracts).

Then there is Tehran's presence on the governing councils of the Nairobi-based U.N. Environment Program and UN-Habitat, the Rome-based Food and Agriculture Organization, the Geneva-based U.N. Refugee Agency, the Spain-based U.N. World Tourism Organization, and the Program and Budget Committee of the Vienna-based U.N. Industrial Development Organization. For 2011, Iran was also elected to be one of the 21 vice-presidents of the U.N. General Assembly.

How does Iran do it? The answer isn't related to the annual burlesque of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's visits to New York since 2005. Better explanations lie in the U.N. practice of allocating board seats by quota to five geographic groups, which nominate regional candidates for election. Iran falls into the Asia-Pacific group, which these days includes most of its oil customers. In these opaque deals, there is plenty of room to factor in a swap of Iranian oil for support at the U.N.

Iran populates its U.N. missions with smooth diplomats, some educated in the U.S. Its ambassadors tend to stay in their posts longer than do their U.S. counterparts, hosting parties and cultivating connections.

Iran's current envoy to the U.N., Mohammad Khazaee, studied at Virginia's George Mason University, served from 1998-2002 as Iran's representative to the board of the World Bank, and has served as ambassador to the U.N. since 2007. He is fluent in English and versed in finance.

When U.S. federal prosecutors described him in 2009 court documents as having secretly overseen the multimillion-dollar operations of an alleged Iranian government front operation on New York's Fifth Avenue, the Alavi Foundation, Mr. Khazaee—draped in U.N. immunity—ignored the case and carried on accumulating seats for his country on U.N. boards. A year later, when the State Department approved 80 visas for Mr. Ahmadinejad and his entourage to attend a U.N. conference in New York and denied only one, Mr. Khazaee diligently complained to the U.N. about the lone denial.

In Vienna, home to a big U.N. complex that includes the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iranian Ambassador Ali Asghar Soltanieh is an influential presence. Trained as a nuclear physicist and posted previously as Iran's representative to the IAEA in the 1980s, Mr. Soltanieh presides over an Iranian mission that occupies most of a large city block. For 2011, he was elected head of the Vienna chapter of the Group of 77, which now includes 132 members—the largest voting bloc in the U.N. General Assembly. Mr. Soltanieh has a reputation among IAEA staffers for throwing good parties.

Many of Iran's doings at the U.N. are more hidden from view. In 2010, after the passage of the fourth round of sanctions on Iran, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice made a loaded remark to reporters. She said that the sanctions were a particular blow to Iran given "the effort, the time, the money" that Iran had employed trying to stop them. The next day, I sent a query to the U.S. Mission: "What money, exactly, was she referring to?" The American diplomats said they'd look into the facts behind Ambassador Rice's remarks. There has been no answer.

Unlike in the case of Iraq—where the 2003 toppling of Saddam Hussein exposed troves of financial records that helped explain how Baghdad persuaded the U.N. to ignore its own sanctions against Iraq—there is no access right now to Iran's internal records. Perhaps with time, more will become clear.

Claudia Rosett: At the U.N., Iran Is a Powerhouse, Not a Pariah - WSJ.com
 
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Iran isn't isolated, as I have told you before. It is supported by NAM-countries (approx. 66% of countries in the world), it has several important positions in the UN, and regionally cooperates with various countries, ranging from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, Georgia, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, etc. You are delusional.
Nonsense
Al Qaeda is a phantom; it doesn't really exist. The Gulfies and Saudis on the other hand are terrified of Iran, as we can read in various reports and articles. You guys should praise God that the US is on your side.
Last time I checked, I found Iran being spanked very badly by Arabs for 1300 years in arrow. By Arabs and Arabs alone.
 
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I could easily point out to co-operation on various levels between Iran and those countries I mentioned.

Last time I checked, I found Iran being spanked very badly by Arabs for 1300 years in arrow. By Arabs and Arabs alone.

We controlled modern-day Jordan and other Arab countries more than 1000 years before you guys managed to defeat a weakened Persia, while in the end Arab control of Iran never lasted for more than 150 years. Like I said; just thank God for the US.
 
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Yeah it was a deal between Israel and USA : sell KSA weapons ok but not high tech.
Everyone knows that. I didn't deny it ;)

Actually, F-15 SA is more advanced than American F-15 versions, with an exception of long range A2G missiles, and Saudis made that up by having this feature on Tornado and Eurofighters.
 
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I could easily point out to co-operation on various levels between Iran and those countries I mentioned.



We controlled modern-day Jordan and other Arab countries more than 1000 years before you guys managed to defeat a weakened Persia, while in the end Arab control of Iran never lasted for more than 150 years. Like I said; just thank God for the US.

The Levant was only under a Persian control for about 150 years and that was during Achaemenid Empire and as all Persian rules it left the original people alone and their culture etc. In fact the Achaemenid Empire was heavily influenced by Semitic civilizations and customs.

Anyway not sure what you are both discussing right now?

Is this not supposed to be about Turkey?

Also USA will not allow any major war to occur in the Middle East, arguably the most important geo-politcal part of the world with the most natural resources.

USA could destroy all of the Middle East in a few minutes if they wanted.

Surenas:

Iran is not doing good right now. Come on. Whatever.
 
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