Middle East ‘elites’: Turkey’s say in diplomacy on the rise

[al-Hasani]

Do you understand English?

I said one of the armies with the most advanced weapons which is correct. Surely in the region. There are over 200 countries in the world or so and KSA is in the top 20 (10%). I consider that among the best on a world scale equipment wise.

Ok, then name me 20 countries that have better military equipment than KSA. We are not talking about manufactring. Everyone is way behind USA there. We all know that.

 

[Hussein]

for tech ranking (not necessary weapons but i didn't find one for it) you have the famous:
http://martinprosperity.org/media/GCI%20Report%20Sep%202011.pdf
page 32 missing your country page 35 : KSA one of the lowest

top 10 armies something i quite agree in French:
CLASSEMENT DES ARMÉES LES PLUS PUISSANTES :: Toutsurtoutpourtous
or comments here:
Classement des puissances militaires

a global rank would be hard to find . well i am not sure it is helpful to compare Africa, most Asia or South America and most Middle East low tech weapons to yours: for sure

 

[al-Hasani]

Well, you kind of admit that your first statement was wrong then. In terms of military equipment then surely KSA is in the top 20 or top 25 at least. Which means that they belong to the group of countries that only form 10-12.5% of the entire number of countries in the world which easily can translate to among the very best in the world and surely the region!

 

[Doritos11]

And that is only because the USA knows the regime of Saudi Arabia & GCC is not going to do anything against their interests by military means, on the opposite countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq have a long history of warfare against Israel and US interests.

Egypt requested F15s but Israel worked against the deal, same for Amraam missiles.
Iraq cannot get Amraam weapons either for the same reason as Egypt.

Its not that we lack money for these weapons, we have enough of that.

 

[al-Hasani]

And that is only because the USA knows the regime of Saudi Arabia & GCC is not going to do anything against their interests by military means, on the opposite countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq have a long history of warfare against Israel and US interests.

Egypt requested F15s but Israel worked against the deal, same for Amraam missiles.
Iraq cannot get Amraam weapons either for the same reason as Egypt.

Its not that we lack money for these weapons, we have enough of that.

Not the topic of the discussion. Aside from that then Egypt is a long-time ally of USA like most Arab countries and none of those countries were ever a threat to USA, especially not Syria. Also only Iraq has oil money. Syria was never rich nor Egypt particularly especially not now when they face big economical problems.

No reason to attack USA (nobody from the Middle East can do that LOL) as long as we can mutually use each other for our own interests. Rather the US as allies than the Ruskies!

 

[Doritos11]

Not the topic of the discussion. Aside from that then Egypt is a long-time ally of USA like most Arab countries and none of those countries were ever a threat to USA, especially not Syria. Also only Iraq has oil money. Syria was never rich nor Egypt particularly especially not now when they face big economical problems.

No reason to attack USA (nobody from the Middle East can do that LOL) as long as we can mutually use each other for our own interests. Rather the US as allies than the Ruskies!

Egypt has financial problems now but in the past it used to have a big GDP, that will rise in the future again, only its that Israel is not comfortable with Egypt having F15s.

None of the ME is directly a threat to the USA, we cannot even reach USA by airplanes or missiles, none in the ME have ICBM missiles maybe Israel, we can only be a threat to their interests in the ME.
Only not the topic, yes.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

What i want to know is what is purpose of turkey, leader of muslim world?What does this goal mean exactly?And will muslim brotherhood in egypt and elsewhere,wahabis in saudi plus shias under iran's leadership accept turkey as leader.Already turkey's intervention in syria is becoming failure due to iran's counter checkmate with hezbollah.It seems erdogan is helpless in syria without NATO help?How can they claim to leadership if iran checkmates them like this?This is a complex situation now.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

And that is only because the USA knows the regime of Saudi Arabia & GCC is not going to do anything against their interests by military means, on the opposite countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq have a long history of warfare against Israel and US interests.

Egypt requested F15s but Israel worked against the deal, same for Amraam missiles.
Iraq cannot get Amraam weapons either for the same reason as Egypt.

Its not that we lack money for these weapons, we have enough of that.

Yes, that's %100 true. We will never resort to military option no matter what, unless we were attacked.

What i want to know is what is purpose of turkey, leader of muslim world?What does this goal mean exactly?And will muslim brotherhood in egypt and elsewhere,wahabis in saudi plus shias under iran's leadership accept turkey as leader.Already turkey's intervention in syria is becoming failure due to iran's counter checkmate with hezbollah.It seems erdogan is helpless in syria without NATO help?How can they claim to leadership if iran checkmates them like this?This is a complex situation now.

That's a blinkered view.

It's not about Syria only. Turkey ,as matter of fact, is way superior to Iran in every category with the exception of terrorism.

 

[twilight]

Well , Turkey claim that she want to be Muslim world leader while they saying we are secular and her people protest for sake of alcohol ... just ...

well , Turks are free to do what they want but they should do not forget that Middle east is wild region and no one can subdue it for long time ...

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

for tech ranking (not necessary weapons but i didn't find one for it) you have the famous:
http://martinprosperity.org/media/GCI%20Report%20Sep%202011.pdf
page 32 missing your country page 35 : KSA one of the lowest

top 10 armies something i quite agree in French:
CLASSEMENT DES ARMÉES LES PLUS PUISSANTES :: Toutsurtoutpourtous
or comments here:
Classement des puissances militaires

a global rank would be hard to find . well i am not sure it is helpful to compare Africa, most Asia or South America and most Middle East low tech weapons to yours: for sure

Well, KSA aims to securing its boarders, protecting its people, and last but not least deterring rouge states like Iran, and all.

Well , Turkey claim that she want to be Muslim world leader while they saying we are secular and her people protest for sake of alcohol ... just ...

well , Turks are free to do what they want but they should do not forget that Middle east is wild region and no one can subdue it for long time ...

But Turkey is more than qualified for this mission.

Alcohol along with secularism are internal affairs, making your claim invalid.

 

[twilight]

Well, KSA aims to securing its boarders, protecting its people, and last but not least deterring rouge states like Iran, and all.



But Turkey is more than qualified for this mission.

Alcohol along with secularism are internal affairs, making your claim invalid.

internal affairs .... well , this is good excuse to covering your eyes ...

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

internal affairs .... well , this is good excuse to covering your eyes ...

The Turkish secularism entails people to do whatever they wish. However, that doesn't mean that all Turks endorse Alcholo or consume it.

 

[twilight]

The Turkish secularism entails people to do whatever they wish. However, that doesn't mean that all Turks endorse Alcholo or consume it.

you are talking about " leading the Muslim world " and the main point of this is that people need to believe in Islam not to secularism ...

if people choose secularism , then they won't give a **** about Islam and they would rather to choose Pan Arabism ( in Arab countries ) or nationalism ( in other Muslims countries ) and with pan arabism and Nationalism , they won't give a **** about some TURKS and accept them as their leader !!!

think before you saying anything ....

IMO it is more likely that by saying " Turkey will lead the muslim world " you mean " Anti Itan/ Anti Shieh countries " but you want to hide it under the name of " Muslims world " ...

and another thing , hatred can unite people for some short term but not for long term ....

 

[al-Hasani]

Does not matter. Makkah and Madinah will always be the cradle of Islam that is followed by nearly 1.6 billion people and the holiest of sites. As it has been for 1400 straight years and will continue to be. For now and for the entire history it has been in the hands of Hejazis who are now part of KSA.

Turkey is much more favored in the Sunni Arab world and Sunni world and thus 90% of the Muslim world than Iran ever will be. Don't have delusions.

Yazid already explained it very well.

Arab-Turkish (Sunnis) relations are only growing at a rapid speed for each year and that only means one thing - a further isolation of Iranian Mullah's.

No sane person or Muslim will worship personal cults like your "Supreme Grand Ayatollah, King of Kings, Mahdi on earth" or what you guys call him. So Iranians being a leader of anything other than Zoroastrianism (fire-worship) is a complete and utter joke.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Does not matter. Makkah and Madinah will always be the cradle of Islam that is followed by nearly 1.6 billion people and the holiest of sites. As it has been for 1400 straight years and will continue to be. For now and for the entire history it has been in the hands of Hejazis who are now part of KSA.

Turkey is much more favored in the Sunni Arab world and Sunni world and thus 90% of the Muslim world than Iran ever will be. Don't have delusions.

Yazid already explained it very well.

Arab-Turkish (Sunnis) relations are only growing at a rapid speed for each year and that only means one thing - a further isolation of Iranian Mullah's.

You successfully had conveyed what I intended to say.