Middle East ‘elites’: Turkey’s say in diplomacy on the rise

[BLACKEAGLE]

very funny

so you are wrong and making propaganda here but i should shut up
again acting like 5yo

everyone knows you got low tech because of Israel
and the deal was to sell big money quantity so it helps USA but be careful about what they sell

well everyone knows that but live in your propaganda

They are much more advanced than the Israelis:
F-15E.info: Strike Eagle reference and resources - F-15E.info - F-15I Raam
F-15E.info: Strike Eagle reference and resources - F-15E.info - F-15SA

 

[Surenas]

Actually, F-15 SA is more advanced than American F-15 versions, with an exception of long range A2G missiles, and Saudis made that up by having this feature on Tornado and Eurofighters.

Japan's F-15s are more advanced though.

The Levant was only under a Persian control for about 150 years and that was during Achaemenid Empire and as all Persian rules it left the original people alone and their culture etc. In fact the Achaemenid Empire was heavily influenced by Semitic civilizations and customs.

The Levant was under Persian control for approx. 300 years. During the Achaemenids. Yes, we left your people alone, just like Persians were left alone and were part of bureaucracy in Iran during Arab occupation of Iran. Just like Abbasid empire was heavily influenced by Persian culture (administration, bureaucracy, etc). But in the end, Achaemenids greatly differed from Semites.

Also USA will not allow any major war to occur in the Middle East, arguably the most important geo-politcal part of the world with most natural resources.

USA could destroy all of the Middle East in a few minutes if they wanted.

Yes, it could, but not realistic though.

Surenas:

Iran is not doing good. Come on. Whatever.

No, it isn't, but you can't deny that Iran is a force to be reckoned with in the region. Even despite all these sanctions and setbacks.

 

[al-Hasani]

Not sure where you got those 1000 years from because they are not entirely correct.

Oh, I see that you have corrected it to 300 years. Fair enough.

Take a look at the link here. It's about the so-called Greater Iran. Made by Iranian contributors I assume, mainly. Then look at the maps of the various empires on the right. The light green are vassal states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Iran

It was only the Achaemenid Empire, as I told, that had any real control/influence of Levant and that was not for more than 250 years. But Iranian rulers left the locals alone and used vassals most of the time.

The only Arab country of today that you had a very long presence in is Iraq. Other than that there is not really any other Arab country.

Syria, Lebanon etc. are all fairly new political alliances.

Being reckoned with I agree. After all Iran is not a small country. But currently there are many social and political conflicts. For each year I think that the differences in views inside Iran are only becoming more bigger and extreme. If the Iranian people had a tradition of rebelling against their rulers and been lightly armed then I think we would have seen similar "Arab Springs" in Iran or at least some provinces.

I don't think that the Mullah's will last much longer. An foreign attack would remove them overnight.

At least other regimes in the region are not as reactionary in terms of foreign politics. Every sane player on the international scene would have conducted themselves much differently than Iran has since 1979.

If you had normalized relations you might have reached the levels of GCC in terms of standard of livings and economy although Iran has a population of 75 million and they will never be as rich nor their citizens as some of the smaller Gulf States just due to the demographics.

Iranian influence is getting smaller and smaller. Just 7 years ago HizbAlShaitan had a tremendous support among all Arabs regardless of country, sect etc. Even huge trucks of humanitarian aid reached HizbAlShaitan and Lebanon from the GCC. Same with Palestine were Hamas turned their backs towards you after the HizbAlShaitan interference in Syria against their fellow Sunni Arab brethren.

Then look at the situation today. Houthi's irrelevant in Yemen again (Iranian support there was highly limited but let us just include it for the sake of it), Iraq is getting more and more independent and stronger for each year. The Bahraini revolution was a fiasco and now Bahrain is more or less a province of KSA de facto. Syria is falling apart. From a stable ally to a war-ridden country that is uncontrollable in large parts. HizbAlShaitan is losing more and more support in Lebanon while we speak.

I don't really see any progress, in fact I see decrease. The Iranian Mullah's also failed to take advantage of the protests in the Eastern Province.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

I think, our relations is not only based on mutual respect and common interest but we have historical, cultural even family ties as well.

Now you're talking. Yes, true but if you want to bring to the unofficial level most of people know nothing about it.

 

[HAIDER]

Makes no difference. Every country has its own history, cultural values, and heritage.

And Yet, Iran in the eyes of the West is a state-sponsoring terror.

But West is more scared from Arabs...believe it. Even Saudi run ad on CNN to fix their national image. But after 911 ...its beyond repair.....what your people did on 911..it really ruined the life thousands of innocent muslims in US.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

But West is more scared from Arabs...believe it. Even Saudi run ad on CNN to fix their national image. But after 911 ...its beyond repair.....what your people did on 911..it really ruined the life thousands of innocent muslims in US.

LoLz what a perpetual lair. We never run a single add on CNN.

Al-Qaida isn't our people man, haven't you read what 9/11 investigation committee said?

Actually, F-15 SA is more advanced than American F-15 versions, with an exception of long range A2G missiles, and Saudis made that up by having this feature on Tornado and Eurofighters.

The F-15SA is one of its kind.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Japan's F-15s are more advanced though.

Are you talking about Mitsubishi F-15J? If so, then I don't believe that it has fly by wire, among other things of course. IMO, the Typhoon is a killing beast.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Are you talking about Mitsubishi F-15J? If so, then I don't believe that it has fly by wire, among other things of course. IMO, the Typhoon is a killing beast.

F-15 SA is the best F-15, the only F-15 could be compared to it is F-15 silent eagle.

 

[HAIDER]

LoLz what a perpetual lair. We never run a single add on CNN.

Al-Qaida isn't our people man, haven't you read what 9/11 investigation committee said?



The F-15SA is one of its kind.

You guys are unbelievable ..your poor ambassador himself appeared in the ad ....lolzz...go contact your people may be they forward you that ad.....gawwdd...

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

F-15 SA is the best F-15, the only F-15 could be compared to it is F-15 silent eagle.

The aircraft hasn't been introduced yet = / and relatively comparable with the SA.

A $100 million is its price tag.

EDIT

KSA is bidding on it.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

The aircraft hasn't been introduced yet = / and relatively comparable with the SA.

A $100 million is its price tag.

According to it's specs, it's the best.

 

[twilight]

Does not matter. Makkah and Madinah will always be the cradle of Islam that is followed by nearly 1.6 billion people and the holiest of sites. As it has been for 1400 straight years and will continue to be. For now and for the entire history it has been in the hands of Hejazis who are now part of KSA.

Turkey is much more favored in the Sunni Arab world and Sunni world and thus 90% of the Muslim world than Iran ever will be. Don't have delusions.

Yazid already explained it very well.

Arab-Turkish (Sunnis) relations are only growing at a rapid speed for each year and that only means one thing - a further isolation of Iranian Mullah's.

No sane person or Muslim will worship personal cults like your "Supreme Grand Ayatollah, King of Kings, Mahdi on earth" or what you guys call him. So Iranians being a leader of anything other than Zoroastrianism (fire-worship) is a complete and utter joke.

you are wrong my dear ... we never cared about Arab and Sunni countries so much ... but the problem is that 90 % so called Muslim turn to western puppets and make problem for us ... the problem is western countries not you ... the moment that westerns stop support you , you become completely helpless against some 4-6 million Jews ...

the subject was about " Leading Muslim world " and I said a country that his people protesting for Alcohol can't do this .... plain and simple ...

and ironically , the unity of Muslim world is idea that "King of Kings " spread it in past 30 years ...

and worth than that , your kind of "Muslim Unity" has no goal , no ideology ... it is more likely a unity of some western puppet countries that only help western power to use their puppet more effectively ..

tell me what is your "Muslim unity " subject ... are you ever think about this simple question !?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

you are wrong my dear ... we never cared about Arab and Sunni countries so much ... but the problem is that 90 % so called Muslim turn to western puppets and make problem for us ... the problem is western countries not you ... the moment that westerns stop support you , you become completely helpless against some 4-6 million Jews ...

the subject was about " Leading Muslim world " and I said a country that his people protesting for Alcohol can't do this .... plain and simple ...

and ironically , the unity of Muslim world is idea that "King of Kings " spread it in past 30 years ...

and worth than that , your kind of "Muslim Unity" has no goal , no ideology ... it is more likly a unity of some western puppet countries that only help western power to use their puppet more effectively ..

tell me what is your "Muslim unity " subject ... are you ever think about these simple question !?

We don't give a sh!t about Iran or it's people as we don't give the very same **** about Uruguay. All we demand is to stop exporting terrorism, breeding terrorists, enriching uranium and stop your plots in Arab countries. Do those things, and the name "Iran" will disappear from our heads.

 

[twilight]

We don't give a sh!t about Iran or it's people as we don't give the very same **** about Uruguay. All we demand is to stop exporting terrorism, breeding terrorists, enriching uranium and stop your plots in Arab countries. Do those things, and the name "Iran" will disappear from our heads.

well , 9/11 operators were wahhabi/Salafi ( even though I think it was inside job or atleast USA let it happen )

Al Qaede and Taliban are well known to blasting people in streets , suicide bombers and beheading people in the name of Islam ( in fact THEIR OWN ISLAM )

and now you coming and saying Iran supporting terrorism ....
well , if you mean Hezbollah , then you are in the same page as Zions .... and this won't surprise me if a puppet think like his master ....


any way , answer this :

tell me what is your "Muslim unity " subject ... are you ever think about this simple question !?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

well , 9/11 operators were wahhabi/Salafi ( even though I think it was inside job or atleast USA let it happen )

Al Qaede and Taliban are well known to blasting people in streets , suicide bombers and beheading people in the name of Islam ( in fact THEIR OWN ISLAM )

and now you coming and saying Iran supporting terrorism ....
well , if you mean Hezbollah , then you are in the same page as Zions .... and this won't surprise me if a puppet think like his master ....

Apparently, you fail to differentiate between individual terrorists and state sponsoring terrorism. Iranian terrorism is mainly directed at undermining Muslim states, many of them suffered as a result.

any way , answer this :

Iran is not part of the so called Muslim Ummah.