LCA Tejas MK 1 VS Gripen C/D

[Dash]

Your Army wanted to replace aging MIGs not the industry. After this many years they are still needing to be replaced and are in large number. It wasn't a good decision not take help from others. You made your need dependent upon RND and in the end you have to take the help which is even worst. In simple words after spending time instead of owning self tech you had to import it. Regarding fibre materials and MFD, radars to some extent you maybe right but it still doesn't give your army the home grown option to replace their aging fleet which was the main requirement for LCA project. In the end we may see LCA inducted in IAF but in lot less numbers just to conclude the project.

Silly answer..Why would IAF want to create industry? IAF has needs and thats what they want! Rest all I hve already answered.

 

[GR!FF!N]

That depends on when MK2 variant is ready. If it takes forever, than Indian AF would come up with more "reasons" for not wanting this plane.
AS for Gripen vs LCA, LCA need to get inducted first before comparing with an 80s plane. But then again, LCA was first designed in the 80s so its a valid comparison. The only drawback for LCA is that it take over 30 years to induct while Gripen has been flying since mid 90s, an almost 20 lead on LCA.

LOL..gets your fact straight..development of Gripen started way before in 1979,9 years before LCA development(not Project Definition,I don't know if you even know whats the meaning of this thing is).we fought over sanction while Saab,a major arms corporation made a JV with 5 more major arms companies to make it.we wasted years over our design,engine etc.they crashed 2 prototypes,we crashed none.even then,on paper,Tejas is almost equal with Gripen,if not more.as for induction of Gripen,sure you read about bribing case,don't you???even then,Gripen is $40 million aircraft,while Tejas is around $10 million less of it. They couldn't achieve a great aircraft even after they are Arms Company,while HAL and ADA just born when LCA started. Go home "Indian Expert"..

 

[MilSpec]

I'm a Taiwanese American. And my post does not show preference to India or Pakistan. Just a comparison of Gripen vs LCA.

nopes, you are without any doubt a chinese troll

 

[GURU DUTT]

LOL..gets your fact straight..development of Gripen started way before in 1979,9 years before LCA development(not Project Definition,I don't know if you even know whats the meaning of this thing is).we fought over sanction while Saab,a major arms corporation made a JV with 5 more major arms companies to make it.we wasted years over our design,engine etc.they crashed 2 prototypes,we crashed none.even then,on paper,Tejas is almost equal with Gripen,if not more.as for induction of Gripen,sure you read about bribing case,don't you???even then,Gripen is $40 million aircraft,while Tejas is around $10 million less of it. They couldn't achieve a great aircraft even after they are Arms Company,while HAL and ADA just born when LCA started. Go home "Indian Expert"..

one more thing brother LCA had first flight in 2001 not 1991 as many pakistani freinds dream and by that yardstick even after global sanctions owr plane is ready for IOC2 after just 12 years of first flight and already it has three variants in works + next gen engines(GE 414.98Kn) and ASEA radar are already in process of integration + it has already completed all its required wepons and high/low altitude and hot/humid& desert trails and carries almost the same ammount of wepons and feul if not more + can take off with full load much faster ...dont worry its owr babay and we will make it even stronger

 

[HariPrasad]

I do not foresee any problem with LCA Tejas except some Aerodynamic issue to be resolved (If not resolved yet) and increasing of Angle of Attack. MK 2 with lavcon shall be a very high performance aircraft.


MK1 will be tested for 10.5 to 11G before certification of 8.5 to 9 g.

 

[faithfulguy]

LOL..gets your fact straight..development of Gripen started way before in 1979,9 years before LCA development(not Project Definition,I don't know if you even know whats the meaning of this thing is).we fought over sanction while Saab,a major arms corporation made a JV with 5 more major arms companies to make it.we wasted years over our design,engine etc.they crashed 2 prototypes,we crashed none.even then,on paper,Tejas is almost equal with Gripen,if not more.as for induction of Gripen,sure you read about bribing case,don't you???even then,Gripen is $40 million aircraft,while Tejas is around $10 million less of it. They couldn't achieve a great aircraft even after they are Arms Company,while HAL and ADA just born when LCA started. Go home "Indian Expert"..

Excuses after excuses. Blame on sanction would not work during war. If India want to rely so much on foreign supplier, don't do thing that will cause others to sanction you. In any case, Gripen has been flying since 1990s. India still do not have a squadron of LCA. Gripen started out by picking the right engine. LCA was tied to a Kavari engine that turn out to be a train/boat/anything but jet fighter engine. In any case, a bad system's engineering process. It suffered more setback and issues later on and the plane is still far from ready. By looking at the plane, its clear that LCA is almost like a copy cat of Mirage 2000, which was designed in the 70s. You can argue that LCA airframe shape is a 70s design.

Now, you know why IAF has no confidence that it would have a medium weight fighter ready so India create MMRCA. But the plane is still not ready as well as India is having trouble purchasing the plane.

If you have trouble building a plane, then at least learn how to buy one properly.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Excuses after excuses. Blame on sanction would not work during war. If India want to rely so much on foreign supplier, don't do thing that will cause others to sanction you. In any case, Gripen has been flying since 1990s. India still do not have a squadron of LCA. Gripen started out by picking the right engine. LCA was tied to a Kavari engine that turn out to be a train/boat/anything but jet fighter engine. In any case, a bad system's engineering process. It suffered more setback and issues later on and the plane is still far from ready. By looking at the plane, its clear that LCA is almost like a copy cat of Mirage 2000, which was designed in the 70s. You can argue that LCA airframe shape is a 70s design.

Now, you know why IAF has no confidence that it would have a medium weight fighter ready so India create MMRCA. But the plane is still not ready as well as India is having trouble purchasing the plane.

If you have trouble building a plane, then at least learn how to buy one properly.

ok i got your point that your trying to redicule owr effort but dont know why is that your jealousy or is that your fear or ist that mixture of hate towrds india, fear and jealousy ....well but sir we are not asking for your monitarry aid or so called "soft loans" what we are doing is the product of owr resolve, effort and hard earned money now go and say the same to your pakistani freinds who are dying deu to hunger and lawlessness caused by there ever agressive obsession with india and trying to bleed us dry so sir please try thinkin of it through that aspect cause we dont need your guidence to run owr affairs ..Thanks but no thanks

 

[indoPunjabi]

one more **** spotted
frreeezee else i will shoot u

****? lol maiyava Fuddu.

 

[IND151]

LOL..gets your fact straight..development of Gripen started way before in 1979,9 years before LCA development(not Project Definition,I don't know if you even know whats the meaning of this thing is).we fought over sanction while Saab,a major arms corporation made a JV with 5 more major arms companies to make it.we wasted years over our design,engine etc.they crashed 2 prototypes,we crashed none.even then,on paper,Tejas is almost equal with Gripen,if not more.as for induction of Gripen,sure you read about bribing case,don't you???even then,Gripen is $40 million aircraft,while Tejas is around $10 million less of it. They couldn't achieve a great aircraft even after they are Arms Company,while HAL and ADA just born when LCA started. Go home "Indian Expert"..

Right

In 1979, the Swedish government began development studies for an aircraft capable of fighter, attack andreconnaissance missions to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen. A new design from Saab was selected and developed as the JAS 39, first flying in 1988. Following two crashes during flight development and subsequent alterations to the aircraft's flight control software, the Gripen entered service with the Swedish Air Force in 1997. Upgraded variants, featuring more advanced avionics and adaptions for longer mission times, began entering service from 2003 onwards.

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen&ei=dPWiUtLAOsrtrQf-2YAY&usg=AFQjCNFgAbL1gr1t2Lrgdh-0f2RD-n3DJQ

 

[Storm Force]

At least the Indians are trying to develope a real fighter programmes of their home. For Pakistanis you just pick up a begging bowl and run to China ...
Until you go on your own and have a go build one I suggest be humble...

The chinease critics I.ll take on the chin they arebuilding some aawesome fighters

 

[ganimi kawa]

By looking at the plane, its clear that LCA is almost like a copy cat of Mirage 2000, which was designed in the 70s. You can argue that LCA airframe shape is a 70s design.

By "looking"? Just tell me how you came to this conclusion? Enumerate the similarities in the Mirage 2k and LCA airframes ( and do not just shout "delta wings" cause that would be naive!).

It is about time you start backing your claims with some technical info. We are waiting!

 

[faithfulguy]

By "looking"? Just tell me how you came to this conclusion? Enumerate the similarities in the Mirage 2k and LCA airframes ( and do not just shout "delta wings" cause that would be naive!).

It is about time you start backing your claims with some technical info. We are waiting!

go read it up yourself

Defense Strategies: LCA Tejas resemblance with French Mirage 2000_Its Not A Unique Design of HAL At All

 

[sancho]

Some Compression...

You are not taking official specs into account, which is the first problem, then there are many mistakes in your comparison. The Gripen has not 2.4t internal fuel, 2t at max, it doesn't have the same GE 404 that the LCA MK1 has, it's Volvo RM12 is only based on the GE 404, but with a lot of different parts and different performance too.
The RCS is not dependent on the ammount of composites that is being use, but mainly on external design, coatings... and since all Eurocanards are developed with a very low RCS in mind, it's hard to see many advantages for LCA there and where did you get the power of Tejas radar, when we still don't know which radar will be used in MK1?


The fact is, the Gripen offers advantages in speed, has IFR, the higher payload, and most likely in maneuverability as well.
LCA is developed according similar modern standards (low RCS in mind, modern avionics), for similar roles and at the end will have a proven and capable engine (most likely also a proven and capable radar), which basically puts itself in the same generation as the Gripen, performance wise however, it fits more between Gripen A and C.

However, the main point is, that and LCA with some off the shelf parts could be comparable to a modern western 4th gen light class fighter that was developed by an experienced manufacturer. For the first attempt that would be pretty good and would leave much space for further improvements, the problem is only, that we didn't planned with the off the shelf parts, but delayed the LCA with unnecessary indigenous projects and that's why LCA got so much in trouble, although it has the potential. That's why the most important lesson we should have learned by now is, to make such developments as simple as possible and to maintain a steady improvement curve with increased indigenisation over the years and not from the start!

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

You are not taking official specs into account, which is the first problem, then there are many mistakes in your comparison. The Gripen has not 2.4t internal fuel, 2t at max, it doesn't have the same GE 404 that the LCA MK1 has, it's Volvo RM12 is only based on the GE 404, but with a lot of different parts and different performance too.
The RCS is not dependent on the ammount of composites that is being use, but mainly on external design, coatings... and since all Eurocanards are developed with a very low RCS in mind, it's hard to see many advantages for LCA there and where did you get the power of Tejas radar, when we still don't know which radar will be used in MK1?


The fact is, the Gripen offers advantages in speed, has IFR, the higher payload, and most likely in maneuverability as well.
LCA is developed according similar modern standards (low RCS in mind, modern avionics), for similar roles and at the end will have a proven and capable engine (most likely also a proven and capable radar), which basically puts itself in the same generation as the Gripen, performance wise however, it fits more between Gripen A and C.

However, the main point is, that and LCA with some off the shelf parts could be comparable to a modern western 4th gen light class fighter that was developed by an experienced manufacturer. For the first attempt that would be pretty good and would leave much space for further improvements, the problem is only, that we didn't planned with the off the shelf parts, but delayed the LCA with unnecessary indigenous projects and that's why LCA got so much in trouble, although it has the potential. That's why the most important lesson we should have learned by now is, to make such developments as simple as possible and to maintain a steady improvement curve with increased indigenisation over the years and not from the start!

mk 1 is rumored to have have a fixed IFR probe isn't it?

 

[boke]

LCA吗？如果三十多年还不能进入批量生产，它根本连进工厂的资格都没有，因为三十年后的天空根本是新式战机的天空。坦率的说，我认为印度应该把每年大量的金钱用在改善民生上，而不是弄些华而不实的东西出来主动暴露自己的短处。如果说世界第一军火进口国的名字是荣耀，那么就坐实这个名声好了，LCA初衷不错，但是作的却实非常糟糕，或者说，踏踏实实先把本国需要的子弹实现完全的本土化生产了再研制大点的东西？