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LCA Tejas MK 1 VS Gripen C/D

Which plane is batter according to you?


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Your reaction is a reorganization of Tejas. Had it been a dumb plane, Your @$$ would not have burn a lot. Burn more. It is entertaining.

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'reorganization' of Tejas?

Abay phattu loser, atleast learn to type first...

Secondly, its not my a$$ that is burning, it is my stomach which is burning...due to laughter.

Tejas a sh!tbag. Heck, it can't even fly even after DECADES of development :lol:

Mig-21 Bisons of iaf are more capable that that shit plane called tejas..

tejas is a mega fail project. Even if Tejas achieve FOC TODAY, and start flying....it would STILL be a "failed project" ....

Now go figure 'why' is that?

But why Pakistan IF didn't induct huge numbers since it's that good and really it is good and it's cheap I wish the Iraqi GOV. go to China for it since the Pakistani GOV under the influence of the Saudi regime these cheap plane suit us very well for now economically and technically.

Are you talking about JF-17?

Pakistan already has 50+ JF-17 deployed...and delay is due to financial constraints...Actually, JF-17 block 1 production is complete..PAF wants block-2 now..and for its production, there were some financial restraints due to economic crisis of Pakistan..but news are that JF-17 block-2 production is starting very soon.
 
Pakistan already has 50+ JF-17 deployed...and delay is due to financial constraints...Actually, JF-17 block 1 production is complete..PAF wants block-2 now..and for its production, there were some financial restraints due to economic crisis of Pakistan..but news are that JF-17 block-2 production is starting very soon

About that....yeah....we just screwed up all you avoincs plan, you may not really wanna go to war with those 50. But don't worry, you can still mke do with Sabres till then- damn good planes if you ask me- about 60 year old design, but still damn good I say :angel:
 
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'reorganization' of Tejas?

Abay phattu loser, atleast learn to type first...

Secondly, its not my a$$ that is burning, it is my stomach which is burning...due to laughter.

Tejas a sh!tbag. Heck, it can't even fly even after DECADES of development :lol:

Mig-21 Bisons of iaf are more capable that that shit plane called tejas..

tejas is a mega fail project. Even if Tejas achieve FOC TODAY, and start flying....it would STILL be a "failed project" ....

Now go figure 'why' is that?



Are you talking about JF-17?

Pakistan already has 50+ JF-17 deployed...and delay is due to financial constraints...Actually, JF-17 block 1 production is complete..PAF wants block-2 now..and for its production, there were some financial restraints due to economic crisis of Pakistan..but news are that JF-17 block-2 production is starting very soon.

Firstly refrain from personal attacks.
Tejas is headed for IOC this december.
jf-17 block 1 is a 3rd gen aircraft. It cant even fire high off bore a2a combat missilse. And guess what, its not even there in ur proposed block 2 options. Tejas on the other hand has tested r73 working with dash III

This thread was a tejas vs grippen. Not sure where the low tech jf17 came into the picture? A plane that even the parent country deemed to poor to fill its ranks and instead decides to move to better aircraft
 

Have you read it yourself? For everyone here I'm posting the complete text of the blog post you mentioned.

LCA shares in common feautures with the French Mirage-2000 is that both are delta winged single engined multirole aircrafts. Nothing more or nothing less than that. Mirage is a super fighterjet ofcourse.

Here is a comparative side by side showing the totally independent designs of the LCA and the Mirage (the image is not to scale).

the RCS of the LCA is 1/3 rd that of the Mirage !!!

India sought a tie up with French Snecma for the development of Kaveri Engine. They supplied a new core to the Engine.

During 1964- 1977 India attempted to build a supersonic fighter : HAL HF-24 Marut Mk 1T [D1695]) MARUT

Development of the Marut: (the HF-24, designed by the great German WWII Designer Kurt Tank). HF-24 was to use engines with more power. Some European manufacturers were not willing to supply matching engines to India for Marut HF-24. . A prototype was built(1961). HF24 Marut have close resemblance with French Mirage.

Infact the LCA when inducted should be given a HF-xx designation, following the naming pattern (HF standing for Hindusthan Fighter). Infact the phrase LCA is equivalent to "ATF" of the F-22 programme...and Tejas is equivalent to the Phrase "raptor" or "maruth" of the F-22 and HF-24's. In most probability the LCA will be called the HF-84 Tejas.

Some History during 1970-1971 (IAF- PAF)
During Indo-Pakistan war 1971, IAF was using Folland Gnats (British - smallest fighter jet of 1970's ) against PAF.

The PAF's mainstay was the F-86F Sabre. The F-86F Sabre (sometimes called the Sabrejet). Sabrejets were a larger aircrafts when compared to IAF Gnats . In the intial stages of the war PAF scored some victories but in later stages of war, we witnessed a large number of PAF Sabrejets were shot down. News of the incident and the famous gun camera shots were splashed across /hit newspaper headlines the world over like lightning and the tiny Gnat acquired a reputation of being the Sabre killer. By the end of 1971, the Gnat proved to be a frustrating opponent for the technically superior Sabres and had lived up to its Indian Air Force nickname of "Sabre Slayers" since all its combat "kills" during the two wars were against Sabres. The success of the indigenously produced Gnats against the more sophisticated Pakistani-flown aircrafts were viewed as a significant achievement. Details of IAF 1971 operations can be viewed if you click on the links below.

An analysis: Sabrejet (PAF) was a successfull fighter jet during Korean war. Sabrejet was a fighter /bomber. These qualities contributed adding extra weight to the aircraft which subsequently affected Thrust to weight ratio. Sabrejet Engines could not develop/provide the required thrust for Indian battle front and to counter Folland Gnat's quick maneuverability. Folland Gnats were very hard to spot at low levels. The war scenarios in Korean & Indian sub-continents were entirely different. Can you imagine the size & maneuverability of a motor cycle with a large Cargo Trailer Truck? Sabrejet was little bit difficult to maneuver due to it's larger size, cannons & bomb load/weight.
Armament
(F-86F Sabre)

· 5,300 lb (2,400 kg) of payload on four external hardpoints,
· 2 × 200 gallonsdrop tanks to give the Sabre a useful range. A wide variety of bombs can be carried
· 2 × 1,000 lb bombs plus two drop tanks), napalm bomb /tactical nuclear weapon.

Armament
(Gnat)


2x 30mm ADEN cannons

2x 500 lb (227 kg) bombs or 18x 3 in (76 mm) rockets

Because of these key factors, maneuverability Sabrejet (PAF) decreased to a greater extend as per British experts/ Russian Military Review Magazine of 1985's. Gnat was only a Fighter jet with reduced bomb loads, easy to maneuver can be used like a motor bike. The Battle fields will never accept mistakes either technological or pilot errors. PAF was inactive during naval attack of Karachi harbour by Indian Navy (IN).
The IAF Pilots rated the Mirage-III as the best PAF fighter & were afraid to confront. To their (IAF) surprise, they were not used
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in 1971 war !!.
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IAF Mig-21 fighter jets performance was also superior/decisive in the battle. It was the only IAF Fighter jet could catch up with PAF Mirages. This experience with small fighter jets made India to go for designing LCA Tejas.

History will repeat again ?? Wait & see !! "This is not pull ...mua. ha"

The only part which makes any referance to similarities between LCA and Mirage 2k is the first line (delta winged single engine) which is precisely what I had asked you to avoid (cause that is naive, so many delta fighters out there, are they all copies of m2k?)

With stupid sources like these.........:disagree:

Here is a nice comparison between LCA and Mirage 2k air-frames, highlighting the differences.

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About that....yeah....we just screwed up all you avoincs plan, you may not really wanna go to war with those 50.

What an idiot. The only thing indians are capable of 'screwing' are their poor girls whom indians rape all day every day due to india's rape epidemic :lol:

Chinese are working on 5th Generation Aircraft, what makes you think they have any less technology than Europeans? Chinese aeronautical industry, specially military aeronautical industry, is pretty up damn good. Only United States has an advantage...

First thing, PAF was looking for French avionics because it has experience with it...we have 100s of miraages.

Second thing, it was in the past! Today in 2013, PAF is very satisfied with Chinese technology..

For example, we have a member on this forum who was a part of SD-10B integration team for JF-17...He was in China and recently came back to Pakistan.

According to him, even Pakistanis were surprise to see how close Chinese have came to West in some sophisticated technologies.

PAF has THE best BVR missiles in the world...AIM-120Cs...and yet PAF is very satisfied with SD-10B too...tells you alot.

But don't worry, you can still mke do with Sabres till then- damn good planes if you ask me- about 60 year old design, but still damn good I say :angel:

PAF doesn't operate sabres anymore dumbo.

Also, we don't need to worry. Our enemy is such shitbag that they keep crashing their own planes :lol:

As Russians once said "What can we do when you have monkeys flying Migs" :rofl:
 
Firstly refrain from personal attacks.

What personal attack?

Calling an idiot an idiot isn't personal attack.
Tejas is headed for IOC this december.

Who cares? Teja is a failure, shit plane anyways...

jf-17 block 1 is a 3rd gen aircraft.

JF-17 is a 4th+ generation aircraft. Chinese designation is different from the West's..According to Chinese designation, JF-17, Su-30MKI, F-16 etc are all "3rd generation" aircrafts while F-22 is a '4th' generation aircraft...I think thats why you are confused (that is if you were being honest and aren't some utterly retarded, monkey-minded indian who believes india to be a shinning superpower, and JF-17 as 'third' generation steel aircraft..LOL!)

It cant even fire high off bore a2a combat missilse.

So what, dumbo?

It is not some measure of Aircraft's capability and potent-ness. Even F-15C doesn't carry offbore sight missile.

Many argue that modern combat doesn't even need such weapon...since it would be VERY hard for modern fighters to even come that close to each where they can use their offbore sight weapons to effectiveness.
And guess what, its not even there in ur proposed block 2 options.

Again, why would we need it when it is becoming a thing of the past? Retarded, modern future weapons are those which engage enemy from far distance. Not these toys who will require your enemy to come really close to you in order to be used.

Tejas on the other hand has tested r73 working with dash III

Again, tejas is a shit plane...LOL!
This thread was a tejas vs grippen. Not sure where the low tech jf17 came into the picture?

No one brought JF-17 in the thread..My reply was to an Iraqi poster. And offcourse, JF-17 is superior to Gripen...and is light years ahead of a shitty plane such as Tejas...so we can't have JF-17 in this thread..
A plane that even the parent country deemed to poor to fill its ranks and instead decides to move to better aircraft

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another indiot. Retardo, why would Chinese Air Force need an "light combat aircraft"? Have you seen their doctrine and air power positioning? Airplanes are inducted in airforce while keeping your doctrine in mind....
 
@AUz

whats up with all that pent up aggression? why dont you jerk it off? think about your Junk fighter 17 or the chinese while you mastubate. might help
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@AUz

whats up with all that pent up aggression? why dont you jerk it off? think about your Junk fighter 17 or the chinese while you mastubate. might help
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Where did you get that 'aggression' part? I am relax and chill...educating indian kids like always.

And I kinda agree with you that since we don't get to rape our girls willy nilly like indian hindus do to theirs..so sometimes aggression does get better of us...but I prefer a little aggression over raping my fellow Pakistani girls and smashing rods into their vaginas...like indian hindus do to their girls :lol:

And another good idea, since JF-17 is a spectacular looking plane, I can jerk off of it...sad for you, your plane, tejas, is as ugly as your indian hindus are ...hairy, smelly, weak, and all..:bad:
 
Gripen VS LCA? There's no comparison. Gripen would blast LCA out the sky if LCA could even get up there. LCA is a horrible plane, overweight and underpowered. Those long delays were not just become Indians were dumb, LCA really has lots of problems. Antony has been betting his mother's life on pushing LCA to FOC in December. Well it's December now. Where's the FOC?
 
Tejas has a better engine performance(89kn or 20200 lb thrust)than gripen. Right??

Correct. LCA has GE 404 IN20 engine with 20200Lb power wchich is 89.9 Kn thrust.
 
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The AB thrust is better, 80,5kN for the RM12 and 85kN for the GE 404IN20, while the dry thrust is given at the same 55kN for both and that should be the important trust figure. LCA however has the better TWR, with around 200Kg less empty weight (maybe more if further reductions were made).


As per the article of B Harry (Radiance of Tejas), Weight reduction target in PV 2 was 500 KG but designers managed to reduce 746 KG in PV2. He further says that 5500 Kg target weight will be achieved in subsequent Aircraft. He further states that Weight reduction is not only due to composite but also because of superior design. tejas has 7000 LRUS which is lowest of any 4th generation aircraft. He further states that ultra low weight of tejas in all contemporaneity aircraft results into extremely low wing loading and very high thrust to weight ratio.

He further states that several structural optimization and design changes have reduced rcs, Further with application of RAM its RCS shall be 1/3 of contemporary 4th Gen aircraft.
 
The AB thrust is better, 80,5kN for the RM12 and 85kN for the GE 404IN20, while the dry thrust is given at the same 55kN for both and that should be the important trust figure. LCA however has the better TWR, with around 200Kg less empty weight (maybe more if further reductions were made).


Specification in HAL website states the Payload of 5.3 tons and service sealing of 16 KM.

Welcome to Aerospace Division of HAL
 
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SAAB GRIPEN:
Gripen entered service in....1997.
Total number built...............235
No. of operating countries.......5


LCA Tejas
LCA entered service in..........NOT YET.
Total number built............... 13 Prototype
No. of operating countries.....NIL




DO we have a comparison........
 
I think Rafale is the best fit to IAF, but Congress delay it due to election. A party shall not lift election result beyond national security, a pathetic for inmature democracy?

How do you know the delay is because of this reason?.. are you part of the Negotiation committee? or you are just guessing?.. if you are guessing forget it there are no proofs to claim the same..
 
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