JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[Javed Mgi]

Hey and salam to all of you my dears, am new here and studying in 10th standard, my 9th marks is 421 out of 550. My family condition is poor and am want to continue my studies but it is unlikely, am also want to join a cadet college and later join PAF, Pak army or pak navy As an officer, so am here to know about the cadet colleges in pakistan under government. Anyone one here who can guide me about this?

For information: am from khyber agency, FATA, peshawar pakistan.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Cross-post from F-16 thread:

Ummm.... I think that even though some think PAF made a mistake going for JF-17, in our current situation we can hardly hope for anything better. Our circumstances have made the rationale against this supposed mistake disappear. We are going through a necessary rite of passage as a nation as we define ourselves in this day & age. This confusion shall lift in a few years.

If anyone thinks that JF-17 is built to take on the might of IAF, then they are sadly mistaken. It is a light workhorse designed to be cheap to operate and maintain and have the ability to achieve a high sortie rate. I do not see it going deep into hostile airspace. The KEY question is whether it can survive defending our own airspace? The answer to that question is anybody's guess. But since it went through two design iterations before PT-04, I hope that its design philosophy has incorporated results of future threat analysis. The avionics are upgradeable, so is the engine. With an improvement in our economy, I am sure that we can go for AESA radar and other avionics upgrades. I am not too sure about the engine, but supposedly RD-93 can be set for higher performance with a penalty to engine life. In a war that might be done. Who knows.

Personally I do not think that a war is likely. We just need our foes to understand that it would cost them dearly to cross into our airspace.

Beside the above, I would support getting a heavy and hard-hitting long range two-engine behemoth for defending our seas. A squadron of J-11 would be excellent. But can we make that happen? I doubt it.

 

[My-Analogous]

They were responsible for the Hazara Shia Massacre as it was their funded proxies that took those actions in a counter Iran/Shia move.

They have been repeated money trails that lead back to them when BLA finances are traced.

Now why would any of these countries be willing to help us buy equipment? Perhaps SA since we have Kalb-e-Khadim--e-Harmain in power.

There is no other two ways about it, be it the JF-17 or any other defence equipment. We have to bear the costs as even the Chinese are getting a little weary of us asking them for soft loans.

First do some research and then made some comments. In reality the table is not set like that. Please asked someone very closed to you who knows these things.

Now please back to topic

 

[razgriz19]

Kitni bholi bhaali khuwaahish hain app ki

Sir Jee,,, PAF mentality will not change for unforeseeable future

they've released pics of AMRAAMS on F-16s, then why not Jf-17?
my guess is we still don't have them yet

 

[fatman17]

they've released pics of AMRAAMS on F-16s, then why not Jf-17?
my guess is we still don't have them yet

pretty silly of you.

SD-10 with JFT
AIM-120C5 with Vipers

 

[farhan_9909]

pakistan to export parts of jft

پاکستان نے جے ایف تھنڈر طیارے برآمد کرنے کا فیصلہ کرلیا – ایکسپریسس اردو

 

[S-A-B-E-R->]

Hey and salam to all of you my dears, am new here and studying in 10th standard, my 9th marks is 421 out of 550. My family condition is poor and am want to continue my studies but it is unlikely, am also want to join a cadet college and later join PAF, Pak army or pak navy As an officer, so am here to know about the cadet colleges in pakistan under government. Anyone one here who can guide me about this?

For information: am from khyber agency, FATA, peshawar pakistan.

just serch the thread a bit there r major threads and info about what u need .

 

[ziaulislam]

they've released pics of AMRAAMS on F-16s, then why not Jf-17?
my guess is we still don't have them yet

the F-16 deal was public, every body knew we got ARAAMs
yet we know nothing of JFT
i am not saying that we have confirmed intergated them , just saying that logic doesnt work

iff u think they are not operational may be india might be thinking same..meaning it would provoke them less.
in india its the media and politics that drive their decision..if we started posting and exaggerating JFT..they would speed up different procurements..
it seems they dont worry much about china

 

[razgriz19]

the F-16 deal was public, every body knew we got ARAAMs
yet we know nothing of JFT
i am not saying that we have confirmed intergated them , just saying that logic doesnt work

iff u think they are not operational may be india might be thinking same..meaning it would provoke them less.
in india its the media and politics that drive their decision..if we started posting and exaggerating JFT..they would speed up different procurements..
it seems they dont worry much about china

i guess that make sense. But it should've been the other way around..
F-16 with AMRAAMS are deadlier than JF-17 with SD-10s

we'll just have to wait and see

 

[ziaulislam]

i guess that make sense. But it should've been the other way around..
F-16 with AMRAAMS are deadlier than JF-17 with SD-10s

we'll just have to wait and see

true, but they already know about AMRAAMS.. Whether we post their photos or not, so that does change anything..india already made a huge show of just 18 F-16s like they will conquer whole india!


but in case of JF-17 there still is doubt shadow..If photos are released you will see an uproar in indian media that would ultimately force the defense committee to do something..

you saw what happened after indian sub sank, the Indian media started an uproar saying that Pakistan has much more powerful subs leading to statements that india will lease subs for time being!!

i think this what PAF is thinking, i might be wrong...

 

[Zarvan]

What I know we need better BLOCK II of JF-17 soon and we need to equip it with more weapons and better weapons than block 1 and we need to produce BLOCK 2 fast and in great numbers and also get J-10 B I know about our economy but we have to arrange money for both our Air Force and Navy
@ziaulislam

 

[Arsalan]

pakistan to export parts of jft

پاکستان Ù†Û’ جے ایف تھنڈر طیارے برآمد کرنے کا فیصلہ کرلیا – ایکسپریسس اردو

The news article do not make any sense at all!

it mentioned "a nuclear submarine from Germany" we all know U214 is a conventional submarine and not a nuclear powered one so this is the first mistake in this. Secondly it say Pakistan will export JF-17 and will start off with exporting parts first. What?? who is going to buy these parts when they don't have any plane to use these parts with? ya tu asay he ka ka mein na tyres la lea ab in mein gari dalwani ha..
all in all, pathetic reporting!

It ay be we are going to provide some parts to China to be fit in planes that they make for PAF to quickly increase the numbers in PAF inventory, with PAC production lines also running and making JF-17 for Pakistan. But the sentence as phrased in the report "Pakistan will export JF-17 and will start off with exporting its spare parts" this is utter non-sense!!

 

[Bratva]

The news article do not make any sense at all!

it mentioned "a nuclear submarine from Germany" we all know U214 is a conventional submarine and not a nuclear powered one so this is the first mistake in this. Secondly it say Pakistan will export JF-17 and will start off with exporting parts first. What?? who is going to buy these parts when they don't have any plane to use these parts with? ya tu asay he ka ka mein na tyres la lea ab in mein gari dalwani ha..
all in all, pathetic reporting!

It ay be we are going to provide some parts to China to be fit in planes that they make for PAF to quickly increase the numbers in PAF inventory, with PAC production lines also running and making JF-17 for Pakistan. But the sentence as phrased in the report "Pakistan will export JF-17 and will start off with exporting its spare parts" this is utter non-sense!!

Just go couple of pages back,already discussed here, this news item appeared in our local express, two weeks ago.

 

[Arsalan]

Just go couple of pages back,already discussed here, this news item appeared in our local express, two weeks ago.

Yup it was posted by Hassnain and didn't made any sense back then as well! However since the article reappeared now i though about pointing the stupid pharases it uses, quite misleading!

The argument given was that by nuclear submarine it mean submarine able to launch nuclear missiles. This is not how it is. That is not a nuclear submarine! Also U214, if we get it somehow is still now capable to fire nuclear missiles.
Moreover also exporting spare parts to a third part before exporting the aircraft also do not makes much sense!

The best i can get is:
Either we are going to keep running PAC production lines and also make some surplus spares to be send to China where they will also make JFT for PAF use.
China have struck an export deal and make the planes for third party where Pakistan will be involved in making some parts of the plane to be exported!

 

[Bratva]

Yup it was posted by Hassnain and didn't made any sense back then as well! However since the article reappeared now i though about pointing the stupid pharases it uses, quite misleading!

The argument given was that by nuclear submarine it mean submarine able to launch nuclear missiles. This is not how it is. That is not a nuclear submarine! Also U214, if we get it somehow is still now capable to fire nuclear missiles.
Moreover also exporting spare parts to a third part before exporting the aircraft also do not makes much sense!

The best i can get is:
Either we are going to keep running PAC production lines and also make some surplus spares to be send to China where they will also make JFT for PAF use.
China have struck an export deal and make the planes for third party where Pakistan will be involved in making some parts of the plane to be exported!

Unfortunatley, the intellectual level of Pakistani minister being interviewed is well known.