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1 mil for a single missile?Mafiya,
This post of yours was neither expected nor required of you.
A missile test is not a simple test. It's not like you can fire a missile at a dummy target and say it is integrated. It will take multiple firings from many different parameters to make sure the missiles fire properly.
For example, firing SD-10 from 20 km range to target, is way different to firing it from 50km.
Firing SD-10 at 50,000 ft while going mach 0.9 is different to firing it at say 30,000ft.
Same thing with stand-off weapons.
They have to be tested in ECCM and ELINT environments, check and re check that the rocket motors fire and perform as expected.
AIM-120-C5 amraam costs about $700,000-1million $, but still does not have a 100% kill probability.
1 mil for a single missile?
Rather tyres I guess...
Mafiya,
This post of yours was neither expected nor required of you.
A missile test is not a simple test. It's not like you can fire a missile at a dummy target and say it is integrated. It will take multiple firings from many different parameters to make sure the missiles fire properly.
For example, firing SD-10 from 20 km range to target, is way different to firing it from 50km.
Firing SD-10 at 50,000 ft while going mach 0.9 is different to firing it at say 30,000ft.
Same thing with stand-off weapons.
They have to be tested in ECCM and ELINT environments, check and re check that the rocket motors fire and perform as expected.
AIM-120-C5 amraam costs about $700,000-1million $, but still does not have a 100% kill probability.
Fish,, Where did you come to know that ??
Mirages III / V (Including ROSE) will stay in service at least till 2017. PAF has 5 F-7P squadrons to replace with JF-17. This will be followed by F-7PG or Mirages (excluding ROSE)...
Have you seen reports that (some) Mirages are being upgraded with an air-to-air capability and are capable of firing R-Darter BVR missiles? Besides, PAF has got a new supply of spares...
and none of that SD-10 tests ever performed on JF-17 block 1 and it's been 5-6 years since JF-17 block 1 inducted in PAF and not a single SD-10 fired from it. What I said and what you said two parallel things. All these performance tests are being done on PT-06. Not on Block 1 JF-17.
If PT06 is what all production JF-17s are based on, then that is not an in issue.
We can't do weapons test on each JF-17.
Actually, it is better that there is a dedicated aircraft to do all the tests.
Block-I (101 - 150) aircrafts are based on PT - 04 not 06.
I think PT-01,PT-02,PT-03 were based on one structure, and PT-04,05 and 06 were based on the one that eventually went into production.
Let's wait for a senior member to clarify.
There is no PT-02 and PT-05 .... Early design of JF-17/ FC-1 was PT-01/03 but PAF was not satisfied with it and proposed some changes that resulted as PT-04 in 2006 and become the standard design for productional aircrafts. Later we received upto eight aircrafts from China starting from 2007 by next 2 - 3 years and assembled two aircraft at home and later started production from JF-17 09-111 from 2009 on wards all based on same design. Where as PT-06 appeared in 2009 - 10 when we already had started the production .... and it continued several trials and tests till early months of 2013 then it suddenly disappeared from the scene. Also note that we brought PT-04 at PAC to perform all the productional aircrafts related weapon integration, testing and trials at home.
PT-06 is actually the same design as PT-04 but it is not surely the aircraft on which productional aircrafts are based. Its a complete multirole JF-17 unlike the PT-04 and (101 - 150) aircrafts.
It was widely SPECULATED and even Alen Warns tweeted (if i am not wrong) back in 2012, that 3rd Sqn of Thunder was likely to be stationed in Karachi. But now after so many delays in raising 3rd Sqn Alan tweeted again for Tail Choppers. An article mentioning JF-17 has yet to test Chinese ASM, which you can find in JF-17 DAS'13 thread, clears everything that why third sqn is not going to Karachi
Yes but they are all used when bought from different countries. While M-VPA3 were all brand new when they joined PAF in 1978-79 and they might be in very good condition and have more life as compared to the rest overhauled / upgraded Mirages. So i highly doubt that M-VPA3 will be removed from ASM role at once replacing by immature JF-17.
R-Darter ! this is a just a fuss theory ... Unlike H-2/4 SOW, we have no proof for it. If Pakistan really had R-darter missile then why PAF was so eager to induct a BVR capable aircraft like JF-17.
There is no PT-02 and PT-05 .... Early design of JF-17/ FC-1 was PT-01/03 but PAF was not satisfied with it and proposed some changes that resulted as PT-04 in 2006 and become the standard design for productional aircrafts. Later we received upto eight aircrafts from China starting from 2007 by next 2 - 3 years and assembled two aircraft at home and later started production from JF-17 09-111 from 2009 on wards all based on same design. Where as PT-06 appeared in 2009 - 10 when we already had started the production .... and it continued several trials and tests till early months of 2013 then it suddenly disappeared from the scene. Also note that we brought PT-04 at PAC to perform all the productional aircrafts related weapon integration, testing and trials at home.
PT-06 is actually the same design as PT-04 but it is not surely the aircraft on which productional aircrafts are based. Its a complete multirole JF-17 unlike the PT-04 and (101 - 150) aircrafts.
There is no PT-02 and PT-05 .... Early design of JF-17/ FC-1 was PT-01/03 but PAF was not satisfied with it and proposed some changes that resulted as PT-04 in 2006 and become the standard design for productional aircrafts. Later we received upto eight aircrafts from China starting from 2007 by next 2 - 3 years and assembled two aircraft at home and later started production from JF-17 09-111 from 2009 on wards all based on same design. Where as PT-06 appeared in 2009 - 10 when we already had started the production .... and it continued several trials and tests till early months of 2013 then it suddenly disappeared from the scene. Also note that we brought PT-04 at PAC to perform all the productional aircrafts related weapon integration, testing and trials at home.
PT-06 is actually the same design as PT-04 but it is not surely the aircraft on which productional aircrafts are based. Its a complete multirole JF-17 unlike the PT-04 and (101 - 150) aircrafts.
you can read here, there were 6 prototypes made:
Chengdu JF-17 Thunder (FC-1 Xiaolong) - Lightweight Multirole Fighter - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Aircraft
and the weapons integration has been mentioned by our senior member Najam Khan here:
http://pafwallpapers.com/blog/category/jf-17/
@Oscar
Which prototype is the production JF-17 based on?