J15 clearest pic

[Je suis de retour]

yeah.. I think IAF chief has been influenced by chinese work..but i dont think that HAL and DRDO would take his advice.

 

[DesiGuy]

I doubt even Chinese disagree on that. But its all good in the name of national defence.

I also agree on that one. but from the beginning, i was just pointing out that it's NOT good for one's reputation.

 

[中华人民共和&#]

yeah.. I think IAF chief has been influenced by chinese work..but i dont think that HAL and DRDO would take his advice.

Don't need to take anyone's advice, they just bought from others since the beginning of time.

 

[Brotherhood]

If you want to convey we are not good at copying stuff, i agree 100%.
Maybe we need to lean it from neigbours, By the way that INSAS was modified version of AK 47, not exact copy like J 15

How could you label J-15 as a copy of SU-33 while we never brought one from Russia?
"FACT" please not "TRASH", we paid loyalty fees for AK-47, did you? copy is a copy, don't try to glorify your copy cat insas of AK-47 as its a live example of failure of copying for trying doing so for 50 yrs plus.

 

[oct605032048]

How could you label J-15 as a copy of SU-33 while we never brought one from Russia?
"FACT" please not "TRASH", we paid loyalty fees for AK-47, did you? copy is a copy, don't try to glorify your copy cat insas of AK-47 as its a live example of failure of copying for trying doing so for 50 yrs plus.

why waste time with A3?

 

[Je suis de retour]

How could you label J-15 as a copy of SU-33 while we never brought one from Russia?
"FACT" please not "TRASH", we paid loyalty fees for AK-47, did you? copy is a copy, don't try to glorify your copy cat insas of AK-47 as its a live example of failure of copying for trying doing so for 50 yrs plus.

Do you know anything about your mother CHINA. You seems to me more of japanese than chinese anyhow. You brought a Prototype of su 33 from ukraine 10 years ago. Than you guys studied it and mastered a technique to make a COPIED su 33. Am using word COPIED agai and again because thats what FACT is.

 

[chauism]

Do you know anything about your mother CHINA. You seems to me more of japanese than chinese anyhow. You brought a Prototype of su 33 from ukraine 10 years ago. Than you guys studied it and mastered a technique to make a COPIED su 33. Am using word COPIED agai and again because thats what FACT is.

reverse engineering is an art itself. In the world of engineering, there are no such buttoms for you to just click as simple as copy and paste. Just ask how many things India has successfully copied. Is that the reason why India still have to purchase most of its weapon system from foreign countries including basic rifles.

 

[SBD-3]

Do you know anything about your mother CHINA. You seems to me more of japanese than chinese anyhow. You brought a Prototype of su 33 from ukraine 10 years ago. Than you guys studied it and mastered a technique to make a COPIED su 33. Am using word COPIED agai and again because thats what FACT is.

so china is copying!!!....thats so bad!!!...Will India Nuke china for this????

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I would love to see what you would say if someone did the same to the JF-17 or J-10.

what can we do about it????? go to international court of law?....it is better to confess that Pakistan will not do anything except some condemning statement

 

[ptldM3]

what can we do about it????? nothing can be done....

Yes but you and many other members here seem to think that illegally copying is a good thing (note i'm not specifically talking about the J-15 but in general copying anything).

It's good until it happens to you.

 

[SBD-3]

Yes but you and many other members here seem to think that illegally copying is a good thing (note i not specifically talking about the J-15 but in general copying anything).

It's good until it happens to you.

Even though its bad but all the countries have done it (even Russia)...do you think that they developed on the bases of their intellect? Even US developed on basis of industrial espionage of United Kingdom...Russia did the same to US.....How did Russia got Nuke Tech???? How did US got it (Germans!!!!)....so its historically been done...and it will continue on...

 

[ptldM3]

Even though its bad but all the countries have done it (even Russia)...do you think that they developed on the bases of their intellect? Even US developed on basis of industrial espionage of United Kingdom...Russia did the same to US.....How did Russia got Nuke Tech???? How did US got it (Germans!!!!)....so its historically been done...and it will continue on...

It's one thing to spy on your enemies by obtaining information or even reverse engeneering something but another when you copy equipment from an ally or mutual partner. Again i'm not refering to the J-15 but a hypothetical situation regarding the JF-17 being copied and perhaps even sold to other countries. People here that are jumping up and down with exitement by proclaiming there is nothing wrong with copying are hypocrites, like i said it's okay until it happens to you.

 

[Je suis de retour]

reverse engineering is an art itself. In the world of engineering, there are no such buttoms for you to just click as simple as copy and paste. Just ask how many things India has successfully copied. Is that the reason why India still have to purchase most of its weapon system from foreign countries including basic rifles.

Read Post 64. American guy was right about you.
Now where you came from.Standard Insas rilfle used by army solider is MADE IN INDIA not imported.
By the way most of foreign weapons are slowly getting replaced by genuine INDIAN . (like LCA for mig 21, Arjun MBT for T-90 and so on)
But if it would have been case of China, you guys would have copied T-90.. I mean you would have shown art of reverse engineering off course

 

[oct605032048]

Yes but you and many other members here seem to think that illegally copying is a good thing (note i'm not specifically talking about the J-15 but in general copying anything).

It's good until it happens to you.

you miss the point.

We didn't 'copy' Russia's Su-33, but the Ukraine T-10. And we got help from the Ukraine side.

And the reverse engineering of J-15 has been 10 years, long time before the copyright agreement between China and Russia.

So it is totally legal and it has nothing to do with Russia. Blame papa Gorbachev if you want.

 

[SBD-3]

It's one thing to spy on your enemies by obtaining information or even reverse engeneering something but another when you copy equipment from an ally or mutual partner. Again i'm not refering to the J-15 but a hypothetical situation regarding the JF-17 being copied and perhaps even sold to other countries. People here that are jumping up and down with exitement by proclaiming there is nothing wrong with copying are hypocrites, like i said it's okay until it happens to you.

I appreciate your thoughts...But the point remains....China copied Lavi (as claimed by west, but I say it is a development over canceled J-9) but have now built a better upgarde (J-10B) on their own...same is the case with J-11 They have developed J-11B, BS and now J-15 and you know what they are still developing versions for navy capable of SC ( I saw a J-10 Picture)...oh i got it.....here have a look

so they are now going forward...beyond copying...and also you would also know that almost 70% of their systems in J-11B are locally manufactured...here is an article by ausairpower (eventhough I hate this Ttank)

Background

The controversial J-11B is an unauthorised derivative of the Sukhoi J-11A/Su-27SK, built by Shenyang in China. The aircraft has been the subject of an ongoing dispute between Beijing and Moscow which has caused the suspension of production of the second batch on indigenously manufactured legally licenced J-11A/Su-27SK.

The J-11B is not an exact clone of the Su-27SK, despite the commonly held view this is so. The airframe and engines can be considered to be 'cloned' but the systems are mostly unique to this variant.

Known differences include:

1. A Chinese IRST set located in the centreline position as with the OLS-27 in early Su-27S.
2. A planar array multimode radar which resembles the Phazotron Zhuk-27 series. It includes an IFF interrogator array.
3. An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.
4. A unique glass cockpit design, with an asymmetric layout quite different from the Su-30MKK/MK2 and Su-27SMK.
5. An optical MAWS system claimed to operate in the UV band.
6. Dielectric panels on the stabilators not seen on any Russian variant.

The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A.

 

[twocents]

Yes but you and many other members here seem to think that illegally copying is a good thing (note i'm not specifically talking about the J-15 but in general copying anything).

It's good until it happens to you.[/QUOTE
On a conceptual level, you are absolutely correct. With regard to military hardware my understanding (correct me if I am mistaken) is that weapons do not enjoy patent protection. The reason is that weapons manufacturers do not patent their products in order to protect their secrecy. Here lies the dilemma.