Israel's Tamar gas field sign $500 million gas supply deal with Jordan

[al-Hasani]

Are there any "Iranian" or "Turkic" nationalists out there that we might join? How about "European" nationalists?

 

[Doritos11]

Are there any "Iranian" or "Turkic" nationalists out there that we might join? How about "European" nationalists?

I refer to Iranresurgents post, I think he explained it well.

The thing is, the Arab nation states have given up and totally surrendered. Arabs dont have any leader to look up to anymore since Nasser.
After Sadat signed the peace treaty Egypt, which traditionally have always been the leader of the Arab world (given its size and vibrant history of national institutions, culture, modern progressive people), was no longer seen as a leader.

After Egypt made peace with Israel, Iraq and Syria tried to take advantage and be the leader of Arab world. An important element of being that was th struggle/resistance against Israel and support for Palestine.
But both of them have been destroyed by the US.

Today, Arabs (GCC countries in particular) only look out after numbero uno, ie themselves.

 

[al-Hasani]

I refer to Iranresurgents post, I think he explained it well.

Help me out here. Sum it up in Arabic for me. Had a blackout so can't read English anymore. From now on I mean.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

I've heard consuming Iranian gas has Safavid elements in it which will turn pious Sunnis into Shia Twelvers. That might be the reason why Abdullah was reluctant to accept the offer.

Anyway. The day the Arabs will be united on Palestine is the day that St. Patrick day will fall on saturday.

Why should they? I mean, Iran is arming Hamas, and they're getting rewarded for it, heavily.

 

[Doritos11]

Help me out here. Sum it up in Arabic for me. Had a blackout so can't read English anymore. From now on I mean.

Google translater, no trolling please.

 

[Doritos11]

?

The following are dogs of USA

- Jordan
- Kuwait
- Qatar
- Bahrain
- UAE

 

[ResurgentIran]

Oil has made many Arab states decadent, and being content with the status quo. Why would they risk losing their source of income for a conflict they do not identify with. They have one of the most powerful assets in the world, energy, yet are unwilling to effectively use it, simply because their positions and wealth has been established thanks to the West.

Do you think the Hashemite clan in Jordan would've ruled the country if the British hand't support him? Who else would support them? Who else would support the Saudis, the Gulfis, Egyptians, you name it? They have become dependent on the West for most they got.

When the Ottomans left the region, it looked as if the Arabs would become a strong, united bloc, but they have failed ever since. They have never been able to unleash themselves from the chains the West has put on to them.

True. But in order to rise and free themselves from the West, the local population need to overthrow their current rulers because those rulers are, as you said, in favor of status quo and staunchly defend the American order/security arcitechture.
The only one who resisted that were Saddam's Iraq, Syria and Iran. Libya's Gaddafi can also be included in that group, even if he was a much smaller player and a bit farther away.

Countries in the GCC are in favour of the American order, because the rulers are dependent on the West for their own regime survival. And their regional strategy requires a US that acts hegemonic in the Middle East.
That's why I think @Hazzy997 should not bother to complain about Saudi Arabia, Jordan and company right now.
They are status quo powers.

What happens in Egypt is what we need to look at. A revolutionary Egypt will imo irreversilby overturn overturn this order because I think it would have domino effect on the Gulf monarchies.
Whether Egypt is still status quo or revolutionary remains to be seen. A lot of people think that the Mubarak system have been reinstated, which would make it a status quo power.

 

[Falcon29]

Why should they? I mean, Iran is arming Hamas, and they're getting rewarded for it, heavily.

Please explain to us your reasoning, you think Iran is expecting Hamas to destroy Israel?

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

yet are unwilling to effectively use it

Do you call starving people to death, being unable to supply enough medications, lack of developments, massive brain-drain, and lastly, officially enticing violence worldwide an effective way to utilize a given advantage?

Do you think the Hashemite clan in Jordan would've ruled the country if the British hadn't support him? Who else would support them? Who else would support the Saudis, the Gulfis, Egyptians, you name it? They have become dependent on the West for most they got.

If all these states would have gone for goon, then why not taking the Mullahs' regime as well? A government functions because it can function. All cases are separate but let me remained you about how install the Shah against the wish of his own people, and by force.

When the Ottomans left the region, it looked as if the Arabs would become a strong, united bloc, but they have failed ever since. They have never been able to unleash themselves from the chains the West has put on to them.

You must have got an A with its plus in history.

The Ottomans didn't control the entire Arab World as it known today. Your theory is utterly inaccurate.

I wonder who's begging the west to remove the sanctions now.

Oil has made many Arab states decadent, and being content with the status quo. Why would they risk losing their source of income for a conflict they do not identify with. They have one of the most powerful assets in the world, energy, yet are unwilling to effectively use it, simply because their positions and wealth has been established thanks to the West.

Do you think the Hashemite clan in Jordan would've ruled the country if the British hadn't support him? Who else would support them? Who else would support the Saudis, the Gulfis, Egyptians, you name it? They have become dependent on the West for most they got.

When the Ottomans left the region, it looked as if the Arabs would become a strong, united bloc, but they have failed ever since. They have never been able to unleash themselves from the chains the West has put on to them.

Countries in the GCC are in favour of the American order, because the rulers are dependent on the West for their own regime survival. And their regional strategy requires a US that acts hegemonic in the Middle East.

All countries need the US to survive including Germany, Italy and Canada.

True. But in order to rise and free themselves from the West, the local population need to overthrow their current rulers because those rulers are, as you said, in favor of status quo and staunchly defend the American order/security arcitechture.
The only one who resisted that were Saddam's Iraq, Syria and Iran. Libya's Gaddafi can also be included in that group, even if he was a much smaller player and a bit farther away.

Countries in the GCC are in favour of the American order, because the rulers are dependent on the West for their own regime survival. And their regional strategy requires a US that acts hegemonic in the Middle East.
That's why I think @Hazzy997 should not bother to complain about Saudi Arabia, Jordan and company right now.
They are status quo powers.

What happens in Egypt is what we need to look at. A revolutionary Egypt will imo irreversilby overturn overturn this order because I think it would have domino effect on the Gulf monarchies.
Whether Egypt is still status quo or revolutionary remains to be seen. A lot of people think that the Mubarak system have been reinstated, which would make it a status quo power.

Please explain to us your reasoning, you think Iran is expecting Hamas to destroy Israel?

Iran cares less about the Palestinians or Hamas. They know what is going to happen to them in return if a violence is escalated with Israel.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Do you call starving people to death, being unable to supply enough medications, lack of developments, massive brain-drain, and lastly, officially enticing violence worldwide an effective way to utilize a given advantage?



If all these states would have gone for goon, then why not taking the Mullahs' regime as well? A government functions because it can function. All cases are separate but let me remained you about how install the Shah against the wish of his own people, and by force.



You must have got an A with its plus in history.

The Ottomans didn't control the entire Arab World as it known today. Your theory is utterly inaccurate.

I wonder who's begging the west to remove the sanctions now.






All countries need the US to survive including Germany, Italy and Canada.

Starving to death? Please get over your wet dreams. Iran is largely self sufficient in food. Although the price of food items have gotten much higher, we are still a stable nation state of 80 million people and there is no "mass starving". The baazars and markets are packed with food, even if its more expensive. No starving going on, so get more informed about the situation.

We produce most of our medicine ourselves, although there are some cancer medicines that we dont produce and we cant get a hold of right now.

And no one is "begging" here. Maybe you dont know this, but Iran will not surrender on its enrichment.
It is the other side finally has accomodated the fact that Iran is a de facto nuclear power. And if they dont recognize Iranian enricchment, there will be no final deal.
At least we are defiant and standing up for our national interests.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Nobody is asking them to make excuses for anybody, it's just time to make a split between arabs and Muslims. One side supports Muhammad's cause and another is against it.

if i may give you advice it is so easy for you to tell anyone who have another opinion he is not muslim this is not islamic calling someone not muslim is not an easy thing it is better to speak to know what the other side thinks maybe he is right or you are this is how we can all learn from eachother

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

I wasn't talking to you step aside

Starving to death? Please get over your wet dreams. Iran is largely self sufficient in food. Although the price of food items have gotten much higher, we are still a stable nation state of 80 million people and there is no "mass starving". The baazars and markets are packed with food, even if its more expensive. No starving going on, so get more informed about the situation.

We produce most of our medicine ourselves, although there are some cancer medicines that we dont produce and we cant get a hold of right now.

And no one is "begging" here. Maybe you dont know this, but Iran will not surrender on its enrichment.
It is the other side finally has accomodated the fact that Iran is a de facto nuclear power. And if they dont recognize Iranian enricchment, there will be no final deal.
At least we are defiant and standing up for our national interests.

 

[Shaldag]

It's funny how those that don't even live in the region are more extremist than those that do.

The same way most of the extreme elements in Syria are actually foreign. Whether Iranian/Iraqi proxies or the international Jihadists.

These European/American based Arabs want the likes of Jordan to remain an enemy of Israel due to some skewed vision of Islam or some Arabian pride. Yet we know that Israel is more valuable to Jordan than the 'palestinians'. We know that all 'palestinians' have offered Jordan is a coup attempt which ended in black September. We know that Israel is a better neighbour to Egypt than Hamas are.

We know that Egypt's gas line to Jordan has been repeatedly damaged by extremist elements. Much safer and more secure for Jordan to get their gas from Israel - a stable democracy without international Jihadists roaming around.

Yet these teenage pipsqueak Arabs from Europe and America with their keyboard activism want to drag the nations into stagnation with their myopic view of Islam.

These guys seem to disagree with Hazzy and his band of knuckle-dragging neanderthals.

 

[Doritos11]

Starving to death? Please get over your wet dreams. Iran is largely self sufficient in food. Although the price of food items have gotten much higher, we are still a stable nation state of 80 million people and there is no "mass starving". The baazars and markets are packed with food, even if its more expensive. No starving going on, so get more informed about the situation.

We produce most of our medicine ourselves, although there are some cancer medicines that we dont produce and we cant get a hold of right now.

And no one is "begging" here. Maybe you dont know this, but Iran will not surrender on its enrichment.
It is the other side finally has accomodated the fact that Iran is a de facto nuclear power. And if they dont recognize Iranian enricchment, there will be no final deal.
At least we are defiant and standing up for our national interests.

Imagine Iran without sanctions, or imagine them with sanctions.

 

[Doritos11]

It's funny how those that don't even live in the region are more extremist than those that do.

The same way most of the extreme elements in Syria are actually foreign. Whether Iranian/Iraqi proxies or the international Jihadists.

These European/American based Arabs want the likes of Jordan to remain an enemy of Israel due to some skewed vision of Islam or some Arabian pride. Yet we know that Israel is more valuable to Jordan than the 'palestinians'. We know that all 'palestinians' have offered Jordan is a coup attempt which ended in black September. We know that Israel is a better neighbour to Egypt than Hamas are.

We know that Egypt's gas line to Jordan has been repeatedly damaged by extremist elements. Much safer and more secure for Jordan to get their gas from Israel - a stable democracy without international Jihadists roaming around.

Yet these teenage pipsqueak Arabs from Europe and America with their keyboard activism want to drag the nations into stagnation with their myopic view of Islam.

These guys seem to disagree with Hazzy and his band of knuckle-dragging neanderthals.

Jordan is part of greater Israel already, Kuwait of USA.