Islamic Union

[R.A.W.]

We all should take notice of Indian members reaction to the Islamic Union suggestion.

Looks like they strongly oppose Pakistan being united with countries that have majority Muslim population and we have had many Indian members in this forum make suggestions that India and Pakistan should form a union.

We should analyze the following:

1. Why dont Indians want Pakistan to form a union with countries with majority Muslim population?

2. Why have Indian members continuously brought up the suggestion that India and Pakistan should form a union?

3. Why has NO Pakistani ever suggested forming a union with India?

4. Why are so many Pakistanis in favor with a Union with countries that have a majority Muslim population and not with India?


Indian members should really ponder about these questions.

None of the Indian members said that you should not form the union. What Indian members are pointing out is your double standards for Muslims. And your denial of Indian Muslims being the third largest population of Muslims access to the Islamic world.

And the point of reinventing the wheel when already OIC is there without the Islamic concept.

When you say Islam and include countries within it then India gets automatically included. It is you who tries to show double standard towards the Muslims of India and talk about the unity of Muslims. I dont think that you have right to do so when you yourself are discriminatory.

 

[Omar1984]

None of the Indian members said that you should not form the union. What Indian members are pointing out is your double standards for Muslims. And your denial of Indian Muslims being the third largest population of Muslims access to the Islamic world.

We offered them to be part of Pakistan in 1947, they didnt want to be part of it.

What makes you think they would want to be part of an Islamic Union?

India may have the 3rd largest Muslim population but it also has over 1 billion population, more than 900 million of that population is Hindu. You cant ignore that LARGE of a population when discussing anything about India.

And the point of reinventing the wheel when already OIC is there without the Islamic concept.

OIC is an organization, its nothing like European Union, the structure we are discussing in this thread for the Muslim World is a European Union-like structure, and European Union didn't form overnight.

When you say Islam and include countries within it then India gets automatically included. It is you who tries to show double standard towards the Muslims of India and talk about the unity of Muslims. I dont think that you have right to do so when you yourself are discriminatory.

Then lets include Muslims from China, Russia, Australia, Germany, France, UK, Canada, Venezuela, U.S., Ireland into this too

Again we are talking about a union with countries that have a MAJORITY Muslim population.

 

[moha199]

Sir with due respect... India has 15 crore Muslims... can you name one country who is ready to share this burden, forget about other nations.

And another thing not everyone will be able to migrate so will it be downgraded to not being a Muslim as you are ignoring him the part of Islamic union because of his geographical region.

As far as trolling is concerned let me suggest you for the solution which I was trying to figure out of you people
My suggestion would be you can have all Muslims as a national of Islamic union and provide them passport to work in other countries just as we have migrants today.
And for such a Union you will have to lay down national boundaries as they will hamper because a saudi will not be ready to share his wealth for Pakistani and Pakistani will not be ready to give his job to Bangladeshi. Lets not get emotional think practically.

Do you realize that you are not getting no where and you and couple other are wasting their energy over nothing for you. You question is if which country will take 150 million so brother open your head and put it in, Look at the map, Start from Pakistan all the way upto Africa all the land that muslims has will be far more enough for all these people and new converts aswell. Since Muslim will also control the natural resources along with one F-Policy, It will chang the the entire world, Muslims countries wont be sanctioned for sure, Life will improve in Muslim land, All it needs unity and it starts with, Think like one act like one love like one and hate like one, peace like one and war like one, Eat like one and feed others like one, The list goes on and on, Well i know and i strongly believe it will happen, maybe not in my life but in my kids life for a face, You asking for giving out passports to work in eachothers countires and for that Muslim countries will not give up their boarders? Trust me this is what everyone thought before and everyone has the same question that how this could happen. All it takes a great leader with alot of respect in muslim world and all the muslims believe in one person who has to come, His name is "Imam mehdi" as predicted He will come and unite all the muslims under one flag, His predictions are almost there. His time is near, Best part is that all the sects of Islam believe in his comming, Lets not get into this since it will lead this thread to another topic, I gave you a little feed that all this is for that system, Now if you wanna know go search about it or open up a thread and learn about it. Rest please try to understand instead of taking topic to another level, thank you so much

 

[R.A.W.]

We offered them to be part of Pakistan in 1947, they didnt want to be part of it.

What makes you think they would want to be part of an Islamic Union?

Islam does not mean Pakistan. First and foremost of all. It is not Pakistan Union it is Islamic Union. So every Muslim has the right to be part of it.

India may have the 3rd largest Muslim population but it also has over 1 billion population, more than 900 million of that population is Hindu. You cant ignore that LARGE of a population when discussing anything about India.

Are you more concerned about Hindus or more concerned about Muslims. Or do you think since Muslims live with Hindus Muslims have lost their right to be called Muslims.

OIC is an organization, its nothing like European Union, the structure we are discussing in this thread for the Muslim World is a European Union-like structure, and European Union didn't form overnight.




Then lets include Muslims from China, Russia, Australia, Germany, France, UK, Canada, Venezuela, U.S., Ireland into this too

Again we are talking about a union with countries that have a MAJORITY Muslim population.

Then stop calling it Islamic Union. It has nothing to do with Islam except for that it has a name Islam associated to it and nations are Islamic. It has nothing else in terms of Islam and stop generalizing it as quoted in the religious books. It is nothing far close to it then. It is just bunch of Islamic countries uniting together... which is already in OIC. So just a sheer waste of time and resource because you already have one.

 

[moha199]

@Moha199

Turkey, all Central Asian states are secular by constitution. Many other countries like Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia strive to maintain secular laws
Also, its only personal laws that directly affect Islamic rules, such as in adoption marriage or inheritance. Most of the legislation nowadays are something that would have to be passed in a parliament and would require ijtihad.

And other interesting thing for you, India has separate Muslim Personal Law, along with seperate laws for other religious communities. These laws although comprise only 3-4% of all laws provide Muslims the right to follow Islamic practices as per the law of the land. Infact, even Turkish govt. and the CIS states don't allow as much freedom to follow Islam as does the Indian constitution and laws.

Look buddy pass on the topic and move a head, If you can't contribut then stop taking this thread off the topic, Where did india come into this, Holy Christ man, Are you guys nutts or what. lmao Well I don't know where are you comming with indian laws for islam and etc. Go learn about islam and learn what Islam gives to non Muslims. When Islamic Union is mad, It will be made on Islamic laws at least basically, So Muslims will have alot of freedom for themself but only difference will be that They wont be burnt in trains by others for being Muslim, they won't be belly opend by others and they won't see their kids on the tip of swords, Lets not get into this, You are happy good for you. This is why the Rest of the Muslims are thinking of getting together all around the world but Indian muslims because they are different. So please be different and be happy, If you would ever need help we will come and help you, but we would need to get together and be one, Since indian Muslims don't want to be together with any country as Indian friends tell us then let it be like that. You chill in your house and let us do our work....

 

[moha199]

Islam does not mean Pakistan. First and foremost of all. It is not Pakistan Union it is Islamic Union. So every Muslim has the right to be part of it.


Are you more concerned about Hindus or more concerned about Muslims. Or do you think since Muslims live with Hindus Muslims have lost their right to be called Muslims.





Then stop calling it Islamic Union. It has nothing to do with Islam except for that it has a name Islam associated to it and nations are Islamic. It has nothing else in terms of Islam and stop generalizing it as quoted in the religious books. It is nothing far close to it then. It is just bunch of Islamic countries uniting together... which is already in OIC. So just a sheer waste of time and resource because you already have one.

Okeyyyyyyy Buddy boy, How about this. You are going too far with it. You have no right to tell anyone what ot call it or no, You are not the voice of Indian Muslims first. Second It is for Muslims to decide who to have in not You, nore any other Non muslims, Lastly When it is done and created then bring your Muslims of India and ask India to put on the list, rest stop throlling the thread its enought, This will be your first Warning You can't say that you were not treated equal since three pages and you and your ejaz bro have wasted this thread, So go back to Indian section and start talking about it there. If this thread is forced to go this way, I promise you will be reported and whoever is taking this thread off the topic. Thank you

 

[R.A.W.]

Look buddy pass on the topic and move a head, If you can't contribut then stop taking this thread off the topic, Where did india come into this, Holy Christ man, Are you guys nutts or what. lmao Well I don't know where are you comming with indian laws for islam and etc. Go learn about islam and learn what Islam gives to non Muslims. When Islamic Union is mad, It will be made on Islamic laws at least basically, So Muslims will have alot of freedom for themself but only difference will be that They wont be burnt in trains by others for being Muslim, they won't be belly opend by others and they won't see their kids on the tip of swords, Lets not get into this, You are happy good for you. This is why the Rest of the Muslims are thinking of getting together all around the world but Indian muslims because they are different. So please be different and be happy, If you would ever need help we will come and help you, but we would need to get together and be one, Since indian Muslims don't want to be together with any country as Indian friends tell us then let it be like that. You chill in your house and let us do our work....

Live example of your Islamic union unity.... You talk unity and discard Muslims..... at another end.... Thats called bias.....

This is one example. Same will be with other nations. You cannot bound them just because of religon when you are not able bound Indian muslims based on religon how do you expect to bound others leaving their nationality behind.

You talk about nationality and then say we should be together despite of nationality.

 

[vsdoc]

^^^ People getting testy, and thread in danger of going downhill fast.

Basically I see a disconnect on the pakistani side itself on this issue, so we Indians should just lie back and let them come to a consensus first.

Some talk of divine prophecies and Utopia / Promised Neverland, while others are more pragmatic in that they see the concept as a political and commercial alliance using religion as a handy tool.

Sounds like a macro world view of the micro enigma that is pakistan itself doesn't it?

But the question uppermost in the minds of other Muslim nations would be ..... is pakistan really the shining beacon of a successful islamic state as some would have us believe ..... to be foisted upon them as the template of a world order?

How about adding that to your "to be pondered" list?

To put it crudely, if you were zipping along in a Mustang convertible, and someone suggested that a Maruti 800 (purana walla, carb version, pre-Bharat I) with 12 screaming/kicking/biting kids in it would be a lot more comfortable and help in your social standing and power politics at the country club and on the greens with your corporate big daddies, what would your reaction be?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Cheers, Doc

 

[moha199]

Live example of your Islamic union unity....

You are really not funny, Trust me you won't be here for long. Read my reply closely.......... Rest i feel below my respect to reply to your post but to report them for throlling the thread since you have proved it here and i have mad my point aswell good luck buddy, Editing won't help either now!

 

[moha199]

^^^ People getting testy, and thread in danger of going downhill fast.

Basically I see a disconnect on the pakistani side itself on this issue, so we Indians should just lie back and let them come to a consensus first.

Some talk of divine prophecies and Utopia / Promised Neverland, while others are more pragmatic in that they see the concept as a political and commercial alliance using religion as a handy tool.

Sounds like a macro world view of the micro enigma that is pakistan itself doesn't it?
See the entire problem is Islam. Islam is not a religon! it's a way off living life, It has a political side in religon it has a bussiness side, it has all the possible sides a human can imagen. It is un thinkable for you since you are not Muslim and you have a very little knowedge about islam. Its not as you say , Using Islam as a handy tool but it's all about going back to the roots and getting our acts streight.

 

[vsdoc]

^^^ All religions are ways of life brother. Why and how is Islam different? Hinduism is far more a way of life than a formal religion since you are getting theology into the discussion. All religions have a political side, and a regular day-to-day living and moral science type side to them as well. Ditto for the business side, with strong tenets on ethics, profit, etc. Why the "O ur not Muslim so u will not understand" attitude?

Also I strongly disagree with your view that "The entire problem is Islam."

Given I dont know much about Islam, but i have seen many many good devout Muslims who do not share this exclusive/separate identity fixation.

Therefore I am led to believe that the entire problem (or even part thereof) is NOT Islam, but the some followers of Islam and their interpretation of islam and its teachings.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Developereo]

We all should take notice of Indian members reaction to the Islamic Union suggestion.

I just ignore any posts that are obvious flamebait, or that ask questions which have already been answered in the thread.

And, yes, it is quite delightful watching some people squirm. We know we are onto something good when these people start ranting.

Just relax and enjoy the show like I am doing.

EU is not a religious union. Our religion is tightly bound with Arabic language.

Islam already provides enough of a glue, but please see below.

If we can have English there what is so wrong with Arabic. Now why i am supporting Arabic at official level is because of we are talking is to make things more in order. Person traveling from Morocco to Pakistan will face lot of troubles if he would have to deal with too many languages for his official documentation

Yes, thats a good point. We would need to select one or two common languages, but I wouldn't push Arabic initially; it would be instantly rejected by Iranians and Turks. If any group in the union is perceived to be pushing its culture onto others, it will disrupt unity. The best option would be to pick something neutral.

Ironically, the easiest and safest option might be to use English as the common language. It is already the world language in business and science. Most publications in other languages usually get translated into English first, so anybody wanting to remain competitive in these fields learns English.

Kids in Europe learn three languages in school. We could institute something like that also. Everybody learns Native + English + Optional.

 

[moha199]

^^^ All religions are ways of life brother. Why and how is Islam different? Hinduism is far more a way of life than a formal religion since you are getting theology into the discussion.

Cheers, Doc

I suggest you to open up a thread Islam vs Hinduism i will more then welcome to answer your every single of your point, Also open a thread statring why India can't join Islamic Union and we will give you all the answers you want including why you can't understand since you are not muslim..........

 

[vsdoc]

I suggest you to open up a thread Islam vs Hinduism i will more then welcome to answer your every single of your point, Also open a thread statring why India can't join Islamic Union and we will give you all the answers you want including why you can't understand since you are not muslim..........

I am not much of a thread starter man ...... lets continue here as long as we dont go way off course. We can use our sound judgement on this one. Also please dont pay much heed to those who are licked and hence have left the battlefield or do not engage ..... not by choice, but in defeat.

They say if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Would love to hear your views on religion and Islam brother.

Cheers, Doc

 

[moha199]

Please ignore the trolls and focus on the topic, bro.

They are trying to derail the thread.

It's funny that how they even think of bringing India in this thread lmao, I just want them to make an ,,,s out of themself which clearly they are making. Their was a saying which i hear...... Bagel mei churie, Muh meh ram ram..... Today it sound true. I'm trying to learn this from them that how do they do such devilish work so quitly....