USA will lose cold war2.0 to China

[TriptiD]

China has universal education system. US education is designed for elites.

The best Chinese students from universities like Tshingua end up in the US and become US citizens.

Very like in 19th century, Germany chose universal education. UK chose elite education. Germany won UK.

You mean Germany won the first and second world wars and UK lost them ? Maybe in the alternate reality universe you live in.

 

[kankan326]

The best Chinese students from universities like Tshingua end up in the US and become US citizens.

That's long ago. 80-90% oversea students come back to China now.

You mean Germany won the first and second world wars and UK lost them ? Maybe in the alternate reality universe you live in.

With help of Americans, Russians.

 

[TriptiD]

That's long ago. 80-90% oversea students come back to China now.

Not the students who are at MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Caltech, etc. There is no comparison between the academic and even industry opportunities available in the US vs China or any other country.

 

[nibba]

China GDP went from 10% of US to 80% of US in 2 decades. Imagine another 2 decades.USA is black/hispanic country soon and yes, it is most definitely in decline

United States [+]

2000

$10,251,000M

China [+]

2000

$1,205,532M

went from 10% to 80% in a few short years. US is demographically imploded, does not manufacture anything and gang culture/LGBT woke culture taking over also.

Tech billionaires don't provide jobs and middle class is non existant

US very close to full revolution due to erosion of middle class and demographic/cultural changes of minorities (soon majorities), Woke/LGBT culture

Chinas gdp growth for than a decade has been smoke and mirrors.

Just valueless investment. Gdp does not differentiate, it counts all invetment.

This is just fact.

Theres a lot of issues you can draw with how US gdp is calculated but nothing as blinding as what has happened in china. This isnt propaganda or indian imagination or Or some prediction of chinas collapse for 40 years that never happened or whatever dismissive excuse.

China has HUGE over capacity to produce things that arent being bought. They have to figure out how to get internal consumption up which is difficult with the falling pop.

There is no silver lining. China is in big trouble.

 

[beijingwalker]

In PPP term China had overtaken US for many years, Japan and Soviet Union never managed to overtake US in PPP, US GDP number now is largely depending on inflation and money printing, it's a big bubble which is not backed by tangible assets.
China now is the world biggest trading nation, export nation, trade surplus nation, industrial nation, agricultural nation, manufacturing nation, shipping nation, mining nation, foreign reserves nation... which Japan and Soviet Union had never achieved even in their peak, comparing China with Japan and Soviet Union is just ridiculous.

 

[kankan326]

Chinas gdp growth for than a decade has been smoke and mirrors.

Just valueless investment. Gdp does not differentiate, it counts all invetment.

This is just fact.

Theres a lot of issues you can draw with how US gdp is calculated but nothing as blinding as what has happened in china. This isnt propaganda or indian imagination or Or some prediction of chinas collapse for 40 years that never happened or whatever dismissive excuse.

China has HUGE over capacity to produce things that arent being bought. They have to figure out how to get internal consumption up which is difficult with the falling pop.

There is no silver lining. China is in big trouble.

It's India, not China, that is pursuing investment(not valueless) GDP. China is upgrading its industries to high end production chain. And China is doing it very well. China will be world leader of semiconductor, battery, EV, 5G, AI and a lot things that can provide big profit. There will be more high income consumers because of that. Any one who only cares about GDP numbers and completely ignores what China has achieved is being self cheating.

 

[beijingwalker]

US inflated GDP is just on paper, the whole global supply chain is firmly in China's hand.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

1) In 1945，FM of Republic of China,Tse-vung Soong went to Moscow to negotiate Outer Mongolia issue with Stalin. After receiving several threatening warnings from Stalin, China accepted a humiliating deal. Allowing Outer Mongolia independence. After depressed Tse-vung Soong came back. He wrote an article. Saying from his observation of ordinary Russian people, he found Russian men are not hard working people. Most them are addict to alcohol. ”China will eventually surpass Russia because our people are more competent.” Of course 99% people didn’t believe what he said in 1945. Including Americans.

One of key reasons why US won the cold war over Soviet Union is: US controlled world 90% high quality industrial population. West European countries, west Germany(most developed region in Germany), Japan, half Korea were/are all under US control. China was also under US indirect control. Industrial products from West camp dominated 95% world market. Most developing countries, even East camp countries bought goods from West camp.

From June 24, 1948 to May 12, 1949, US was busy at fighting with Soviet Union over control right of West Berlin. It didn’t lose half Berlin but lost China mainland. The CCP defeated US puppet KMT and controlled whole China mainland in this short Berlin Crisis window time.

After CCP established modern education system and finished industrialization in China. CCP created more high quality industrial population than western countries combined. Which is big change in human history. US is still controlling west camp. But west camp itself was dwarfed by emerging China. Unbelievable for US. Further, Chinese goods are grabbing west goods shares in world market. US wants to repeat its tactic of isolating Soviet Union from world to China. But the reality is, if the west decouples China, it will not be China that is isolated by the world. On the contrary, Chinese goods will defeat west goods in non-western countries.

2) The CCP government. Great feat must be made by great people. CCP government is by far the best government in the human history. I don’t want to talk about how competent and how far sighted Chinese government is compared with western governments. I want to talk about two things that are rarely seen among politicians in democratic countries: honesty and integrity. Dishonesty is a byproduct of voting politics. Which doesn’t exist in China. CCP doesn’t lie to Chinese people because it knows lie erodes social spirit and in turn becoms development obstacle. Short gain, long pain. And of course CCP can not resort to “I’m a liar but Joe Biden is a sleepy liar”game too.

I’m sure positive energy does exist among top CCP leaders. None of Chinese presidents became super rich even though Chinese government is the richest government. Chinese presidents always keep distance from richest men. In China, rich men have zero influence in making policies. CCP also wants to hear advice from rich men, but only for national development purpose. Chinese government is very unique in the world. US, Russia, India, Japan, European countries, their politicians all have close ties with rich men. Some people say CCP is playing hypocritical game. Check these facts: Chinese government banned officials and their relatives doing business. Chinese government doesn’t allow private capital to engage in making-easy-money industries. Such as electricity, natural resources, railway transportation, cigarette. China is the only country that is promoting digital currency. By which every economic activity will be recorded and it leaves no room for corruption.

Since PRC was established 74 years ago, there was no political assassination, no coup, no family politics. Each Chinese leader pushed the country forward a step.

Harry S Truman should not be blamed for losing China. Tse-vung Soong knew China will surpass Russia but he never dreamed China will win US. No one expected the CCP has such magical power that changed China from dire position to today’s healthy China. CCP is a miracle that US government can neither compete with, nor understand.

US and China are part of G2.

Both will win cold war 2.0

 

[beijingwalker]

“In purchasing power parity, they spend about one dollar to our 20 dollars to get to the same capability.”

China Acquiring New Weapons Five Times Faster Than U.S. Warns Top Official​

Air Force’s acquisition chief is the latest to warn that the Pentagon is being left behind by the pace of China's defense developments.
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China Acquiring New Weapons Five Times Faster Than U.S. Warns Top Official

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Real Sector GDP VS Total GDP​

US vs. China: Measuring Real Economic Power​

Published: Monday, December 6, 2021

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is a basic measure of the overall size of a country's economy and is often used to compare different countries' economic power. But what exactly is compared when someone says that the GDP of country A is larger than the GDP of country B?

The System of National Accounts (SNA) of the United Nations defines GDP as a monetary value of final goods and services — that is, what end users actually purchase — produced in a country, along with some non-market "production" such as defense or education services provided by governments, during a specific period of time (say a quarter or a year).

As the UN definition of GDP implies, the whole economy can be divided into two major sectors: the so-called real sector, which includes production of goods and real assets, and the services sector, which includes production of services, everything from banking to education to healthcare.

This dashboard uses U.N. data to analyze the economic powers of countries measured solely by the ability of the economy to produce goods and real assets like infrastructure, dwellings and nonresidential buildings, and machinery and equipment. We estimate GDP produced in the real sector of an economy as a sum of value added in four broad economic activity groups: Agriculture, Industry, Construction, and Transportation and Communications.

Why the focus on the real sector? The strength of the real sector reflects two of the basic characteristics of an economy that determine its ability to successfully compete in a world of rising tensions between major powers: self-sufficiency and military power. The third basic economic factor affecting a country's competitiveness — the availability of resources — is not considered here.

• Using real sector GDP in cross-country comparison of economic power significantly changes the view of the global economic landscape. The U.S. economy, which is the world's largest economy when measured by total GDP at current US dollars, is more than $500 billion smaller than China's when measured by real sector GDP.
• In 2019*, the ten largest economies in terms of real sector GDP included Russia, Korea and Indonesia. In the ranking by total GDP, these countries are lower down the list, and Italy, Brazil, and Canada round out the top ten.

Note: 2019 is currently the latest available year in the U.N. National Accounts Main Aggregates Database

 

[kankan326]

US and China are part of G2.

Both will win cold war 2.0

US' prosperity lies in powerful finance and dollar dominance. Which is supported by people's faith to US No.1 status. Once US loses No.1 title, the country would collapse very soon. The so-called most innovative country is also based on money support. Innovation is a money wasting game. No money, no innovation.

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinas gdp growth for than a decade has been smoke and mirrors.

Just valueless investment. Gdp does not differentiate, it counts all invetment.

This is just fact.

China now is the world biggest trading nation, export nation, trade surplus nation, industrial nation, agricultural nation, manufacturing nation, shipping nation, mining nation, foreign reserves nation... and US? and how about you India? Being the bottom two trade deficit countries, US can manipulate dollar, how does India register the big growth with the world second biggest trade deficit? India's growth is indeed all smoke and mirrors.

US can print and manipulate dollar, what can you India do other than cooking the books?

Top surplus countries

Top deficit countries

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

US' prosperity lies in powerful finance and dollar dominance. Which is supported by people's faith to US NO.1 status. Once US loses NO.1 title, the country would collapse very soon. The so-called most innovative country is also based on money support. Innovation is a money wasting game. No money, no innovation.

Cold war 2.0 will be fought on currency not with arms.

US side will continue to use Dollars while Chinese side will use Yuan.

 

[mmr]

Chinas gdp growth for than a decade has been smoke and mirrors.

Just valueless investment. Gdp does not differentiate, it counts all invetment.

This is just fact.

Theres a lot of issues you can draw with how US gdp is calculated but nothing as blinding as what has happened in china. This isnt propaganda or indian imagination or Or some prediction of chinas collapse for 40 years that never happened or whatever dismissive excuse.

China has HUGE over capacity to produce things that arent being bought. They have to figure out how to get internal consumption up which is difficult with the falling pop.

There is no silver lining. China is in big trouble.

Dude being an Indian you should not say this lmao

That’s like Mexican saying usa is all mirror and shit

china is here to stay and so does usa for long time. Advantage of USA is US dollar as long US dollar is king nothing will happen to USA.

 

[hirobo2]

He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious! -- Sun Tzu

The next decade is all about making US accept the position of the latter... A USA that knows he cannot fight with China in ANY domain is actually good for world peace as he becomes more docile and less adventurous...

 

[SaadH]

Chinas GDP will decline this year to 65% of US GDP.

Japan also reached over 70% of US GDP by 1995.
The rest is history.

You know it's a faulty comparison. Japan and China are two very different countries with very different strengths and weaknesses. What didn't work for Japan may not necessarily replicate with China.