Is anyone else Agnostic/Atheist here?

[pak-marine]

This forum does not allow debates on religion or any sort of religious proselytizing topics.

However this particular thread is not about religion as neither agnosticism, nor atheism are religions. Similarly, the OP is just asking for feedback from like minded individuals who pretend to be something in front of their close ones but feel different individually.

you know what will this lead into ,and by the way i have asked another member will ask you the same what if i open a thread claiming i hate atheists who else thinks the same ??

 

[Hyde]

This forum does not allow debates on religion or any sort of religious proselytizing topics.

However this particular thread is not about religion as neither agnosticism, nor atheism are religions. Similarly, the OP is just asking for feedback from like minded individuals who pretend to be something in front of their close ones but feel different individually.

Technically no-religion is also a religion because they are the followers of nobody that distinguishes them from others - just like Muslims, Christians, Jews, No-religion, Hindus etc

Create similar thread with similar theme for any other religion - and it will become proselytizing. Meaning atheists are only exempted from this law

and yes I have no problem with such threads as long as others are also exempted from this rule and not only one group of peoples that you willfully exempt with your desire

 

[jayron]

What if i open a thread asking if any one else except me think atheists are ignorant & self centered people ? how would you feel than ? and as for his curosity he can find a million Islamic / christine /hindu /jew websites where he will get his answer to his confusion

You can do that when an atheist opens a thread to abuse believers . No one is trying ridicule any religion. So take it easy.

 

[Skies]

Actually it's not. I love my parents a lot, and want them to stay happy with me. By coming out as an agnostic, I'll cause emotional pain to my parents and they will be really hurt. The reason they won't be happy is because they'll fear that I'll go to hell, and they'll also feel guilty about themselves thinking that they were not able to be good parents. It's best to keep quiet about my agnosticism, and let my parents think that I'm Muslim.

I had a friend who does sex with girls but pretends as very innocent before his parents. I dislike that deception. In love there should not be any deception.

 

[Dalai Lama]

What if i open a thread asking if any one else except me think atheists are ignorant & self centered people ? how would you feel than ? and as for his curosity he can find a million Islamic / christine /hindu /jew websites where he will get his answer to his confusion

Alright, I can see you're sensitive on this matter so I won't discuss this any further. You're just misunderstanding OP's intentions that's all.

No worries.

 

[pak-marine]

You can do that when an atheist opens a thread to abuse believers . No one is trying ridicule any religion. So take it easy.

sorry for being blunt but buddy i dont think you have any authority here would like to hear it from the MODs , as for ridiculing religion one dont need to say it automatically becomes when you mention atheists

 

[desioptimist]

sorry for being blunt but buddy i dont think you have any authority here would like to hear it from the MODs , as for ridiculing religion one dont need to say it automatically becomes when you mention atheists

We have opposite view points, I hope you will agree. If by being atheist means ridiculing religion, then by being religious you are ridiculing atheism.
You are not the only one who gets offended easily, anybody can play that game.

 

[Jungibaaz]

i am Pakistani, more importantly..... I'm a Muslim, even more importantly..... I am human.

 

[T-Faz]

you know what will this lead into ,and by the way i have asked another member will ask you the same what if i open a thread claiming i hate atheists who else thinks the same ??

How is this related to one another, your thread would only incite hatred where as this particular person is only asking for people's opinion on a particular scenario.

Technically no-religion is also a religion because they are the followers of nobody that distinguishes them from others - just like Muslims, Christians, Jews, No-religion, Hindus etc

Not really, religion is a sustained system which has many different attributes and symbols attached to it. Agnosticism or atheism on the other hand do not have any characteristics by which they can be termed as a system of life.

Create similar thread with similar theme for any other religion - and it will become proselytizing. Meaning atheists are only exempted from this law

So if we were to reverse the content of the thread whereby the OP states that his parents are 'atheists' but he personally leans towards Islam and cannot reveal this to his parents because of their rigid thinking. Such a premise is illogical because atheism or agnosticism is not a system that requires its followers to follow certain guidelines.

and yes I have no problem with such threads as long as others are also exempted from this rule and not only one group of peoples that you willfully exempt with your desire

You are wrongfully equating religion to a set of ideas that do not have any characteristics of a religion.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

i am Pakistani, more importantly..... I'm a Muslim, even more importantly..... I am human.

I always thought you were a cat..

anyways

I am an Agnostic/Atheist..

 

[Dalai Lama]

Biggest religion in South Asia is cricket so most people here are devout followers of their religion!

 

[pak-marine]

We have opposite view points, I hope you will agree. If by being atheist means ridiculing religion, then by being religious you are ridiculing atheism.
You are not the only one who gets offended easily, anybody can play that game.

yes correct any one can and before you loose it my point is it would be better to keep our beliefs to ourselves

 

[pak-marine]

=T-Faz;1496880]How is this related to one another, your thread would only incite hatred where as this particular person is only asking for people's opinion on a particular scenario.

ok what if i replace HATE with WRONG !? that wont incite hatred would it ?

 

[FreekiN]

I'm an agnostic. I do pretend to be a Muslim in front of my parents and family though because my parents will be really emotional if they find out I don't believe in Islam despite them not being practicing Muslims themselves. I'll make a post later to explain why I'm an agnostic.

EDIT: I just wanted to state that being Agnostic doesn't mean that I don't believe in a God(s). I also respect people of all religions, whether they're Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jew, Jain, etc.

EDIT: The reason for creating this topic is not because I want to go around showing people that I'm an agnostic, it's just here to see if any other Pakistani here is in a same position as me. Besides it would be helpful for the theists to know why we are agnostics/atheists.

Jesus christ,

ARE YOU ME?

At first, I was very open about it. Most of my friends know that i'm Agnostic, but then I suddenly got paranoid, and stopped telling people who asked. People think i'm Muslim, so I play along.

It's really scary how shocking it is to some people.

 

[Hyde]

How is this related to one another, your thread would only incite hatred where as this particular person is only asking for people's opinion on a particular scenario.

exactly just like a particular person would create a thread saying he is a Gay... and this forum would allow such threads and let all the gay members get together in one thread/platform.

and next member would come up with another stupidity and this forum will allow this without any interference

Not really, religion is a sustained system which has many different attributes and symbols attached to it. Agnosticism or atheism on the other hand do not have any characteristics by which they can be termed as a system of life.

well the term Atheism speaks for itself. It helps you establish your opinion of their faith and that is No Faith. Just like when you see a Muslim you maintain an opinion that he believes in Allah - or a Hindu believes in Hindu Lords and Atheist believes in No-Lord.

I don't see any differences in it - the world is divided in different communities and religions... some of them are Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists... If any of the other group creates such thread to know who among them thinks alike him... it becomes proselytizing and if one particular group does the same job - it doesn't count under the same rule.

So if we were to reverse the content of the thread whereby the OP states that his parents are 'atheists' but he personally leans towards Islam and cannot reveal this to his parents because of their rigid thinking. Such a premise is illogical because atheism or agnosticism is not a system that requires its followers to follow certain guidelines.

Well that was competely fine. In fact when I raised a question on this thread - the original content of the first post was different to edited version of the post that I see now. He made it quite clear and I have no objection if he wanted to discuss about the state in which is he is living (hiding the truth from his parents)

But look at the posts following the first post.... the books of atheism written by different authors are being referred in this thread and some of them partially hinted that they hate religions etc... all allowed in this Holy thread

You are wrongfully equating religion to a set of ideas that do not have any characteristics of a religion.

yes - because that is the definition of this faith. Having no characteristics or believing in nothing

Like I said, I have no problem if such threads are created... but at the same time - then everybody should be allowed and not only 1 group out of many forms of life that we humans has adapted.