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[Philosopher]

North Koreans revealed a new Giant ICBM. It is apparently liquid fuelled and according to some initial calculations, it could be able to deliver up to 3500kg to anywhere on the US:

Also, a variety of different MLRS systems:

 

[Saleh99]

I don’t know why iran doesn’t produce better mlrs launchers. They have the rockets and the guided ones, why only put 4 fajr-5 on a truck, and why only launch one zelzal or nazeat from a truck, can’t they manufacture better launchers? For example, fajr-5 is like smerch, but the Smerch launcher is 3 times bigger.
Another example, the picture shows a 600mm rocket launcher, same diameter as zelzal.

 

[GWXP]

Russians were not very happy with Smerch because it was too heavy and not very mobile so they created a lighter and more mobile version of Smerch with 6 missiles.

Creating a very heavy MLRS is not a good idea because the system will lack mobility and will be vulnerable to air attack.

A system with 6 missiles is the best option for long range MLRS

Regarding North Korean missile-- its a super ICBM with MIRV

If Iran could get this liquid fuel missile's technology from North Korea it would be a great addition to future Iran's Qaem solid fuel ICBM technology.

 

[Philosopher]

I don’t know why iran doesn’t produce better mlrs launchers. They have the rockets and the guided ones, why only put 4 fajr-5 on a truck, and why only launch one zelzal or nazeat from a truck, can’t they manufacture better launchers? For example, fajr-5 is like smerch, but the Smerch launcher is 3 times bigger.
Another example, the picture shows a 600mm rocket launcher, same diameter as zelzal.View attachment 678185

Keep something important in mind, military is not about aesthetics but practicality ,utility, survivability etc. North Korea has a very weak economy with a GDP of only $28B, they would never be able to match Iranian production of missiles. Whenever anyone poses the question you have, I ask them the same type of question. Suppose you had 2 nations, called nation X and nation Y, each with 8 missiles. Nation X spread their 8 missiles over two trucks, of the type you posted above. Nation Y, spread their their 8 missiles over 8 "civilian looking" trucks, scattered and well blended. What do you think is a more capable and survivable layout?

In the scenario above, both nations had equal number of missiles. In the case of Iran, there are not many countries out there that have more missiles than Iran and those large number of missiles are spread out in a very survivable and calculative manner.

 

[TheImmortal]

Russians were not very happy with Smerch because it was too heavy and not very mobile so they created a lighter and more mobile version of Smerch with 6 missiles.

Creating a very heavy MLRS is not a good idea because the system will lack mobility and will be vulnerable to air attack.

A system with 6 missiles is the best option for long range MLRS

Regarding North Korean missile-- its a super ICBM with MIRV

If Iran could get this liquid fuel missile's technology from North Korea it would be a great addition to future Iran's Qaem solid fuel ICBM technology.

Liquid fuel ICBMs are a waste of technology and resources.

Iran isn’t going to bother with that route.

 

[Saleh99]

Liquid fuel ICBMs are a waste of technology and resources.

Iran isn’t going to bother with that route.

I agree. Iran should move to SF missiles. If they cooperate with NK to get the technology used for pukkoksong-2. This missiles is a beast and has 2000km range.

 

[PeeD]

Keep something important in mind, military is not about aesthetics but practicality ,utility, survivability etc. North Korea has a very weak economy with a GDP of only $28B, they would never be able to match Iranian production of missiles. Whenever anyone poses the question you have, I ask them the same type of question. Suppose you had 2 nations, called nation X and nation Y, each with 8 missiles. Nation X spread their 8 missiles over two trucks, of the type you posted above. Nation Y, spread their their 8 missiles over 8 "civilian looking" trucks, scattered and well blended. What do you think is a more capable and survivable layout?

In the scenario above, both nations had equal number of missiles. In the case of Iran, there are not many countries out there that have more missiles than Iran and those large number of missiles are spread out in a very survivable and calculative manner.

Right, but in their defense: North Korean military is made to operate "in the fire of a nuclear holocaust", everything tracked, everything armored, everything large.

 

[TheImmortal]

I agree. Iran should move to SF missiles. If they cooperate with NK to get the technology used for pukkoksong-2. This missiles is a beast and has 2000km range.View attachment 678215

Iran doesn’t need anything from North Korea. It’s the other way around.

Iran already has SF missiles with 2000KM+ range.

Iran already has large solid fuel engines. The decision to reveal an Iranian solid fuel ICBM is largely political.

Hence why Iran is going the SLV route instead, an “informal” declaration of ICBM status.

 

[Saleh99]

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Iran doesn’t need anything from North Korea. It’s the other way around.

Iran already has SF missiles with 2000KM+ range.

Iran already has large solid fuel engines. The decision to reveal an Iranian solid fuel ICBM is largely political.

Hence why Iran is going the SLV route instead, an “informal” declaration of ICBM status.

SF with 2000km range means Sejjil?

 

[TheImmortal]

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SF with 2000km range means Sejjil?

Sejil, Sejil-2, Ashura, Haj Qassem Gen 2,

Not to mention all those solid engines at Shahrud can be used to build a 3000-6000KM missile fairly quickly.

The issue is Iran has no need for such a missile. Especially without nuclear weapons.

Maybe in future when an Iranian HGV is complete it will result in an conventional Iranian ICBM With HGV warhead in order to strike US mainland high value targets.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Let's not forget that Iran has several 3-missile platforms across the country.

 

[Stryker1982]

When I saw the pictures of NK vehicles for their rocket and missiles force, including the border amour for their infantry units, it really puts Iran to shame.

 

[yavar]

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[VEVAK]

I agree. Iran should move to SF missiles. If they cooperate with NK to get the technology used for pukkoksong-2. This missiles is a beast and has 2000km range.View attachment 678215

Iran is and has been ahead of North Korea in Solid fuel Missiles!

The decision to not build longer ranged Ballistic Missiles is strictly a strategic political decision and has nothing to do with Iran's technological capabilities...

According to Hajizadeh (The Commander of IRGC Aerospace Forces) when he was 1st given the position(2009) he took a detailed program to develop an ICBM to Iran's supreme leader and was shut down immediately and on the spot and was ordered to instead focus on accuracy.

Technologically Iran most definitely has and has had the capability to produce solid fuel ICBM's for a while, however, without a nuclear payload the cost/benefit analysis of a conventional warhead ICBM does NOT make sense especially since Iran does NOT possess the space assets needed to give them the accuracy needed to be worth the cost nor a nuclear deterrent that would prevent a nuclear response.

In my opinion, Iran's supreme leaders made a grave mistake by giving a Fatwah against building and stocking Nuclear Weapons. I believe he should have restricted his Fatwah to the use of nukes against civilians. If storing nukes can deter a nuclear attack on our soil then they are a very peaceful weapon.

And Iran should revisit both decisions ( Nukes & ICBM) what are the Americans gonna do? Sanction us some more? So if anything this is the best time to do it and get it over with.

 

[aryobarzan]

Some simple language:

North Korean: (25 million population)

1- prime enemy: US
2- Friends: China+ Russia
3-Defence against enemy: Nukes + ICBM
4- Target: US mainland.
5- Political strategy: Smile and write love letters + increase your arsenal
6-Sanctioned: yes

Iran: (80 million population)

1- Prime enemy: US
2- Friends: China+ Russia
3-Defence against enemy: Conventional + Limited range BM.
4- Target: US bases in middle east
5-Political strategy: Negotiation+Limit your capabilities by Fatwa
6-Sanctioned: yes

Something does not add up ...what am I not seeing!!

and no wooden Kalashnikovs!! Optics matter!