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TheImmortal said:
Iran has been mass producing missiles for 20 years. Not “decades”. Shahab-3 was late 90’s. Most of the early models like Shahab-3A are retired. Missiles fired during Iran-Iraq war were bought from NK, Libya, and Syria they weren’t mass produced.

Nobody knows how many BMs Iran can truly produce per month. Could be 10 could be 100.

I think Iran has a total arsenal of 10,000 BMs. Which isn’t a lot if you think about it.

If 20% of missiles fail and 30% of missiles get destroyed in air strikes/cruise missile during initial phase of war, that leaves 5,000 missiles that get close to target (not calculating another 20% for missiles that get intercepted).
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On an unrelated note check this out: (If you don't wanna watch the entirety start from ~5:45...)

 
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...tests-game-changing-small-low-cost-jet-engine

So slowly the U.S military is realizing that it must make use of lower cost weapons if it wants to take out modern IADS assets in any economical way.

This approach was pioneered by Israel with its Delilah.

Next, Iran took that concept but developed the longer ranged Qods-1 CM with it and likely the future Mobin (if it enters service).

The Israeli variant of the concept was out of desperation to get a asset that can take out newer air defense systems: Kinematic at disadvantage but used in a mass attack to overwhelm the air defense system (possible due to its moderate price).

The U.S approach is the same as the Israeli one but for longer ranges + LO features. In the past it was also their only solution but a very expensive one with their JASSM.
This new weapon would now allow them to replicate the Israeli mass Delilah attack pattern.

For more critical missions the U.S is working on air launched hypersonic weapons (years away) and Israel already has a re-proposed air launched artillery rocket that allows supersonic stand-off strike.
Iran would naturally use BMs if air defense is too strong and send CMs like Qods-1 to less protected targets (avoiding the mass simultanous attack tactics of the Israelis and now U.S)
 
PeeD said:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...tests-game-changing-small-low-cost-jet-engine

So slowly the U.S military is realizing that it must make use of lower cost weapons if it wants to take out modern IADS assets in any economical way.

This approach was pioneered by Israel with its Delilah.

Next, Iran took that concept but developed the longer ranged Qods-1 CM with it and likely the future Mobin (if it enters service).

The Israeli variant of the concept was out of desperation to get a asset that can take out newer air defense systems: Kinematic at disadvantage but used in a mass attack to overwhelm the air defense system (possible due to its moderate price).

The U.S approach is the same as the Israeli one but for longer ranges + LO features. In the past it was also their only solution but a very expensive one with their JASSM.
This new weapon would now allow them to replicate the Israeli mass Delilah attack pattern.

For more critical missions the U.S is working on air launched hypersonic weapons (years away) and Israel already has a re-proposed air launched artillery rocket that allows supersonic stand-off strike.
Iran would naturally use BMs if air defense is too strong and send CMs like Qods-1 to less protected targets (avoiding the mass simultanous attack tactics of the Israelis and now U.S)
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that is bad for Iran very very bad
 
skyshadow said:
that is bad for Iran very very bad
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It's alarming, they got something similar to the Toloue-10/TJ-150 and will create systems out of it.

The threat is kinematically very primitive but its terrain masking, LO features, coordinated multi-directional attack, range and low price makes it a credible threat.
Russia has the Pantsir to counter it.
Iran not yet, as Oghab and Separ are still away. Tor-M1 has a somewhat expensive missile for such targets and not many missiles ready to fire. Sarir 100mm AAA and Mesbah 23mm would work well for point target protection but are too short ranged and hence can't protect larger areas. Ya Zahra, has too few ready to fire missiles.

This future weapon strategy requires either whole batteries of systems to cover all 360° sectors and hence high number of systems, or a next generation system with 360° coverage (expensive) and a cheap interceptor missile or a new Sarir 100mm AAA with guided rounds.
There are also more exotic concepts.

As said, the weakspot is its low kinematic performance, no need for interceptor missiles that are designed to intercept mach-2 targets such as the Tor. So maybe even the new Iranian turbojet SAM would work sufficiently well here.
 
PeeD said:
It's alarming, they got something similar to the Toloue-10/TJ-150 and will create systems out of it.

The threat is kinematically very primitive but its terrain masking, LO features, coordinated multi-directional attack, range and low price makes it a credible threat.
Russia has the Pantsir to counter it.
Iran not yet, as Oghab and Separ are still away. Tor-M1 has a somewhat expensive missile for such targets and not many missiles ready to fire. Sarir 100mm AAA and Mesbah 23mm would work well for point target protection but are too short ranged and hence can't protect larger areas. Ya Zahra, has too few ready to fire missiles.

This future weapon strategy requires either whole batteries of systems to cover all 360° sectors and hence high number of systems, or a next generation system with 360° coverage (expensive) and a cheap interceptor missile or a new Sarir 100mm AAA with guided rounds.
There are also more exotic concepts.

As said, the weakspot is its low kinematic performance, no need for interceptor missiles that are designed to intercept mach-2 targets such as the Tor. So maybe even the new Iranian turbojet SAM would work sufficiently well here.
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1000% agreed and pulse those we need a system that works like 358 missile a small cruise missile that hovers above an area of danger for at least 1 hour so it can intercept any swarm attack that it sees as you mentioned they going to have LO features so optical guidance and finder is there weakness after that they are low in speed too and that is another weakness of this cheap U.S missile another weakness is that they most probably move in formation which is great target for a suicide missile with fragmentation warhead like 358 missile.

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skyshadow said:
1000% agreed and pulse those we need a system that works like 358 missile a small cruise missile that hovers above an area of danger for at least 1 hour so it can intercept any swarm attack that it sees as you mentioned they going to have LO features so optical guidance and finder is there weakness after that they are low in speed too and that is another weakness of this cheap U.S missile another weakness is that they most probably move in formation which is great target for a suicide missile with fragmentation warhead like 358 missile.

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A advantage CMs like the new U.S missile and Irans Qods-1 have is that by the time they arrive in the target area. they have spend a good amount of their fuel, get lighter and hence have their fastest speed.

So compared to a HARM, AGM-142 or Kh-31, it is just a high subsonic missile. But that combined with terrain masking and LO is still a deadly mix.

Missile 358 in liotering mode would be just too slow to catch up to a incoming CM, delta v is too small for timely interception.
But it could work well in head-on direct interception mode.
Liotering would work when something at even higher kinematic disadvantage is encountered, like helicopters or prop UAVs.
 
PeeD said:
A advantage CMs like the new U.S missile and Irans Qods-1 have is that by the time they arrive in the target area. they have spend a good amount of their fuel, get lighter and hence have their fastest speed.

So compared to a HARM, AGM-142 or Kh-31, it is just a high subsonic missile. But that combined with terrain masking and LO is still a deadly mix.

Missile 358 in liotering mode would be just too slow to catch up to a incoming CM, delta v is too small for timely interception.
But it could work well in head-on direct interception mode.
Liotering would work when something at even higher kinematic disadvantage is encountered, like helicopters or prop UAVs.
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"But it could work well in head-on direct interception mode." :tup:

this is exactly my point hit them with head on direct interception before the target passes you if it pass then forget it you not going to reach it

ether that or we have to add lot more to our first layer of air defense system AA guns and short range Ogab systems or maybe a land base more mobile laser and CIWS air defense system.
 
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skyshadow said:
"But it could work well in head-on direct interception mode." :tup:

this is exactly my point hit them with head on direct interception before the target passes you if it pass then forget it you not going to reach it

ether that or we have to add lot more to our first layer of air defense system AA guns and short range Ogab systems or maybe a land base more mobile laser and CIWS air defense system.
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You have to prioritize. Some assets are point defended. Some area assets are protected by belts of point defense systems. Some assets are intentionally put at risk and have to resort to passive defense and mobility.

The highest value assets are hence protected or will be once Irans Oghab/Separ enter wide service.

IRGC-ASF future 40 Su-22 fleet exploits the same tactical flexibility such not expensive air launched CMs offer.
Su-22s made no sense in the past, but with 500-1500km ALCM they offer a flexible asset that can outflank the enemy and attack its least protected high value assets. From a distance so safe, that the age of the platform does not matter except for supersonic terrain masking fleeing capability.
Now if U.S airpower is equipped with such a cheap stand-off CM... they will tactically exploit it, well above Irans 40 Su-22, if allowed to do so (allowed to take off)...
 
PeeD said:
A advantage CMs like the new U.S missile and Irans Qods-1 have is that by the time they arrive in the target area. they have spend a good amount of their fuel, get lighter and hence have their fastest speed.

So compared to a HARM, AGM-142 or Kh-31, it is just a high subsonic missile. But that combined with terrain masking and LO is still a deadly mix.

Missile 358 in liotering mode would be just too slow to catch up to a incoming CM, delta v is too small for timely interception.
But it could work well in head-on direct interception mode.
Liotering would work when something at even higher kinematic disadvantage is encountered, like helicopters or prop UAVs.
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Why i do i feel like Iran is going to use this missle in the Middle East sooner or later?? hmm...it looks like a prime assasination tool.
 
Iran acquires air-to-airb cruise missiles

On Thursday, March 26, the Iranian Minister of Defense detailed the defense progress of the Islamic Republic of Iran over the past year.

Brigadier General Amir Hatami said Iran had successfully manufactured high-precision ground-to-ground missiles, adding that the missiles would be further optimized. "We will strengthen the firepower of the missile heads and improve their speed and their room for maneuver."

The Iranian defense minister added that Iran would soon acquire air-launched cruise missiles.

"In the field of land defense, Iran will equip its helicopters with new weapons and increase their anti-armor range. Our helicopters will also be able to conduct more night operations, "he said.

The Iranian Minister of Defense then announced the delivery to the army of a destroyer baptized Dena and an anti-mine ship, during the year just started. "There is good news to be heard about speedboats and seaplanes," he added.

Regarding the coronavirus crisis, Amir Hatami said that all units of the Ministry of Defense had been mobilized to control this pandemic.
 

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