Iran shoots down Israeli drone operated by Azerbaijan violating Iranian airspace

[raptor22]

Even with external fuel, the F-35 would not be able to make that distance. With regards to this "incident", Iranian officials rejected it and they laughed at the claim.

This Kuwati newspaper is known for the silly fantasy stories they come up with.



No one claimed they were invincible, that's is not the point. The point is can they get the job done when needed.

Morever, for your information, the UAV that was shot down by a Pakistan was a large shahed-129, even an antiquated radar should be able to detect that. If you want to see a real use of "stealthy" UAVs, check the Iranian attack on Saudi Abqiaq.



Look, at least do some research on Iranian air defence capability. Israel has no hope of trying to use its airforce against Iran. Iran was preparing its air defence for a potential war with the US in that region, you think Israel is anywhere on that level?

Just think they send new deployed jets over a hostile territory that had been a kill zone for uninvited birds just for the sake of loitering ...

 

[alibaz]

Iranian Forces this morning reportedly shot down a UAV near Parsabad, on the Azerbajian/Iran border. The drone was reportedly an Israeli made IAI Harop

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Wreckage doesn't look like to be downed by shooting probable lost due to some technical reasons

 

[skyshadow]

Wreckage doesn't look like to be downed by shooting probable lost due to some technical reasons

agreed, jamming is the most probable reason

 

[Marker]

Greg Ulmer, vice president and general manager of the F-35 program at Lockheed in:
“We talked to several customers about how do we extend the range of the airplane,” Ulmer told reporters during a briefing. “We're looking at conformal fuel tanks as well as external fuel tanks on the airplane to increase the range” by about 40 percent. The F-35A currently has a combat radius of about 590 nautical miles. (590 nautical miles = 1093 kms)

This was stated during June 2019 Paris Air Show. Israel is already using external drop tanks.

External drop tanks were already developed and Israel is using it on its F-35s, however LM is evaluating the developed tanks for approval and further dissemination to other Air Forces.

 

[Marker]

Did those F35s managed to provide evidence or we must accept the clickbait Kuwaiti newspaper article without any proof ?

There are two claims. (1) Israeli AF F-35 flew over Iran or (2) Israeli AF F-35 did not flew over the Iranian airspace due to lack of of range.

Any of these claim may be correct.

Whether Israeli F-35s flew over Iran or otherwise, it is not important but we should be clear that Israel will take any possible initiative to block Iranian nuclear program. At present Israel's only threat is Iran and its proxies in Syria and Iraq. IAF F-35s can be used to bomb Iran's nuclear plant site as they did it in Iraq (operation "Opera") a possibility which cannot be ruled out.

My point of discussion is not to highlight and ridicule weakness in Iranian Air Defense, I am only acknowledging the existence of threat and how far we (Iran and Pakistan) are prepared. Are our early warning systems are effective against stealth aircraft? Or we have to enhance these systems. What type of detection systems are required to detect stealth aircraft and from where we can buy or develop them?

let correct you , this drone was not shot down with direct hit missile . a proximity switch could have the seme effect , it could be downed with Airdefence guns
let just say think , how the plane will lok like after being hit by this
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ira...nical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures.html

Proximity switch of missile will explode the missile and it debris if hit the loitering munition will cause its warhead to explode.

Even if anti aircraft cannon shell hits the munition the warhead will explode as designed to detonate on impact or shock.

 

[TheImmortal]

This was stated during June 2019 Paris Air Show. Israel is already using external drop tanks.

External drop tanks were already developed and Israel is using it on its F-35s, however LM is evaluating the developed tanks for approval and further dissemination to other Air Forces.

Once you add drop tanks to an F-35 it substantially increases RCS thus increasing detection. So stop with this absurd theory.

Only people who would believe Arab propaganda are uneducated masses.

 

[Marker]

Once you add drop tanks to an F-35 it substantially increases RCS thus increasing detection. So stop with this absurd theory.

Only people who would believe Arab propaganda are uneducated masses.

Yes, it will compromise F-35 stealth capability. But these drop tanks along with the pylons can be jettison well before entering enemy's air space.

 

[TheImmortal]

Yes, it will compromise F-35 stealth capability. But these drop tanks along with the pylons can be jettison well before entering enemy's air space.

Irans long range early warning radars (based on Russian long range radars) would pick them up before they even crossed Iraq or Saudi Arabia (depending on route they take). Like I said anyone with any knowledge of Iranian radars and the so called “stealth” or LO design of 5th gen fighters would know this is propaganda.

Also Israel would never take the chance because if something were to go wrong (jamming, malfunction, shot down) then Iran gets a huge tech boon and it’s a national embarrassment for Israel.

Thus there is no reason to conduct such a mission. The only time Israel will penetrate Iranian airspace would be for war. Even then F-35 internal payload is far too weak and Israel’s F-35 fleet too small to do any signficant. And if Israel loads the pylons with weapons than the F-35 loses significant stealth aspect.

 

[raptor22]

This was stated during June 2019 Paris Air Show. Israel is already using external drop tanks.

External drop tanks were already developed and Israel is using it on its F-35s, however LM is evaluating the developed tanks for approval and further dissemination to other Air Forces.

Using external drop tanks would make them visible to Iranian radar & increase rcs dramatically which make whole story ridiculous.
Beside digging F35 radius combat & rcs is there any reliable source that could back up your story? why on earth they'd send new deployed jets over a hostile territory that had been a kill zone for uninvited birds just for the sake of loitering?

 

[Marker]

Using external drop tanks would make them visible to Iranian radar & increase rcs dramatically which make whole story ridiculous.
Beside digging F35 radius combat & rcs is there any reliable source that could back up your story? why on earth they'd send new deployed jets over a hostile territory that had been a kill zone for uninvited birds just for the sake of loitering?

External drop tanks along with their pylons can be jettison. After jettison, F-35 again gain its normal stealth capability.

They did it successfully in Iraq and they tried it to target Pakistani nuclear sites. For them, the risk is worth for their survival.

I urge every Iranian and Pakistani member, please do not underestimate them.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in response to Iran’s provocative moves in the Persian Gulf and other threats from Tehran. Standing in front of an F-35 jet parked at an Israeli Air Force base, Netanyahu barely held back a smile as he said that Israel can reach Iran, but Iran cannot reach Israel.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/f-3...nd-changed-everything-in-the-middle-east.html

 

[Hack-Hook]

There are two claims. (1) Israeli AF F-35 flew over Iran or (2) Israeli AF F-35 did not flew over the Iranian airspace due to lack of of range.

Any of these claim may be correct.

Whether Israeli F-35s flew over Iran or otherwise, it is not important but we should be clear that Israel will take any possible initiative to block Iranian nuclear program. At present Israel's only threat is Iran and its proxies in Syria and Iraq. IAF F-35s can be used to bomb Iran's nuclear plant site as they did it in Iraq (operation "Opera") a possibility which cannot be ruled out.

My point of discussion is not to highlight and ridicule weakness in Iranian Air Defense, I am only acknowledging the existence of threat and how far we (Iran and Pakistan) are prepared. Are our early warning systems are effective against stealth aircraft? Or we have to enhance these systems. What type of detection systems are required to detect stealth aircraft and from where we can buy or develop them?

Proximity switch of missile will explode the missile and it debris if hit the loitering munition will cause its warhead to explode.

Even if anti aircraft cannon shell hits the munition the warhead will explode as designed to detonate on impact or shock.

there is only one baseless claim by a Kuwaiti news paper who even can't provide a single proof and evidence and there is people who laugh at that claim.

the warhead is one part of the plane , shrapnel or bullet can easily hit any part of the plane (in fact there is greater chance for that) without exploding the warhead .
by the way its ages that military around the world don't use explosive that explode when thy are hit

External drop tanks along with their pylons can be jettison. After jettison, F-35 again gain its normal stealth capability.

They did it successfully in Iraq and they tried it to target Pakistani nuclear sites. For them, the risk is worth for their survival.

I urge every Iranian and Pakistani member, please do not underestimate them.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in response to Iran’s provocative moves in the Persian Gulf and other threats from Tehran. Standing in front of an F-35 jet parked at an Israeli Air Force base, Netanyahu barely held back a smile as he said that Israel can reach Iran, but Iran cannot reach Israel.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/f-3...nd-changed-everything-in-the-middle-east.html

if you wan't to knew we bombed Iraq nuclear sites before Israel dd that and they only managed to do the bombing because somebody told them when Iraq is going to turn of its radar

 

[Mithridates]

that news paper claimed the f-35 flew over bushehr, isfahan, shiraz and turned back toward israel. lets say our OTH radars didn't notice it...ok. but there are several radar sites and radars in that direction. this image shows that hs-3000, s band radar can detect an f-35 from 90 km away.

also we most remember that f-35 and all stealth planes designed to have an edge over enemy fighter planes and ADs so they can ENGAGE with their targets. why the *uck would f-35s enter in our airspace and just watch us??
it's just a bullshit story meant to impress readers.

 

[Marker]

that news paper claimed the f-35 flew over bushehr, isfahan, shiraz and turned back toward israel. lets say our OTH radars didn't notice it...ok. but there are several radar sites and radars in that direction. this image shows that hs-3000, s band radar can detect an f-35 from 90 km away.

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also we most remember that f-35 and all stealth planes designed to have an edge over enemy fighter planes and ADs so they can ENGAGE with their targets. why the *uck would f-35s enter in our airspace and just watch us??
it's just a bullshit story meant to impress readers.

The graph which you are producing as evidence, actually counter your argument about effectiveness of long range radars. US made Raytheon HR-3000 is detecting F-35 as a small "bird" that too in a detection range less than 45.5 nautical miles (84 km). Most of the SoWs have range more than 100 km. Other Russian radars will perform in similar way.

 

[Mithridates]

The graph which you are producing as evidence, actually counter your argument about effectiveness of long range radars. US made Raytheon HR-3000 is detecting F-35 as a small "bird" that too in a detection range less than 45.5 nautical miles (84 km). Most of the SoWs have range more than 100 km. Other Russian radars will perform in similar way.

it does not contradict my argument, you are bringing new argument up. that Kuwaiti newspaper claimed f-35 flew over several of our cities and i showed that it's not possible to fly over them and not being detected.

 

[Marker]

the warhead is one part of the plane , shrapnel or bullet can easily hit any part of the plane (in fact there is greater chance for that) without exploding the warhead .
by the way its ages that military around the world don't use explosive that explode when thy are hit

Are you an armament engineer knowing that much about warheads and explosives?

Where is your evidence that modern warheads do not explode when they hit or the are hit. For your information this drone is designed to explode when hit the target (impact shock fuse).

These fuses are not mechanically operated, but impact shock sensors electrically trigger the fuse. In my opinion the subject drone crashed after depleting its battery power, hence it did not explode while hitting the ground.

Drone containing 35 kg warhead flew inside the Iranian airspace 65 km deep and was shot down by "shrapnel or a bullet"!!!!!

if you wan't to knew we bombed Iraq nuclear sites before Israel dd that

There is nothing to boast about attacking a Muslim state by another state.

they only managed to do the bombing because somebody told them when Iraq is going to turn of its radar

If this is true than may Allah grant forgiveness to the leaders of Iran. Helping an enemy of Islam against an Islamic state is a sin. Iran might have grievances against Sadam or Iraq, but it does not mean Iran has the right to help Israel AF to accomplish successful mission of operation Opera.