No they didn't think that at the end of WW1. The treaties were extremely unfair against Germans and the relations remained hostile. Another war was around the horizon.
You're looking at history in retrospect, the point is at the time, no one was expecting yet another world war in that close proximity.
It is an extremely unique series of events that will never repeat.
Right, because you have a crystal ball and can predict the future.
Everyone in the West regret it.
The regretted the first war too.
British say they were on the wrong side of the War and the Germans are perpetually frightened by nationalism. The only way forward is European integration and the West will never have another war.
Again, you're trying to make predictions of war about the future with certainty, you lose credibility when you make such claims.
Yeah right. They promised us Billions $ to send army to defend from Houthi and we resisted.Everyone is happy about it
"Everyone", you seem to be living in denial. Go look at threads in this very forum and see the responses.
Just that the way you portray our nation is very wrong.
I am merely telling you the observations from your attitudes towards them from then to now and the seismic shift.
Our attitude towards Turkey was always different to our attitude towards other countries of Middle East.
Quantitively speaking, your kind were much more pro-Saudi than you are pro-Turkey. This is not surprising given Saudis gave you more than just words, they gave you finances. Turkey has done nothing for Pakistan minus mostly words.
Here's a quote by Quaid e Azam from 1948: " The exploits of your leaders in many a historic field of battle; the progress of your Revolution; the rise and career of the great Atatürk, his revitalization of your nation by his great statesmanship, courage and foresight all these stirring events are well-known to the people of Pakistan."
This does not change the discussion even in the slightest. I never said you did not have a pro-Turkey views.
Our beloved Poet Muhammad Iqbal wrote numerous poems praising the Turks, Ataturk, their bravery at Gallipoli, for instance: " “Let’s pray, brothers, that flag shall not fall down those bastions till doomsday. May the sun of Islam remain bright; may Allah help Mustafa Kemal, the great leader who defends Muslims...". Despite the fact the Ataturk brought down the Caliphate.
As above.
These quotes are 80 years old. Your idea that there's some new found love for Turkey like the rest of your lot here is wrong. Looks like I'm not the one in need of history lesson.
Once again, I never said you were not pro-Turkey, what I am saying is you're now much more in their camp after you realised how unreliable the Persian Gulf Arabs were. You're now much more vocal in terms of your Turkey favouritism.
You just said we need not wait for time and yet here you are predicting the future. Goes to show your own ineptitude. So shall I say again, let time tell who's right. We'll see if your wishes come true.
I asked you a hypothetical question, not made absolute claims regarding the future. This is elementary level logic.
You think I'm sad or it pisses anyone off that Turkey is part of NATO? I've always supported their NATO membership as it gives them an edge vis-a-vis their neighbors.
Good for you, then just don't pretend to be thinking about the Islamic world when you're supporting a country part of an organisation which is biggest killers of Muslims in recent memory.
They can do whatever they want for their survival and to avoid 'a snap of their fingers'. So did the medieval Russians to avoid being crushed by Mongols. We can see who won the test of time!
Modern world is different, back then people were already on low level living standard, today people's lives are connected greatly with means that when cut off, cause great instability in that society. In political time scale, it was only yesterday there was a coup attempt in Turkey, they're a highly unstable country to begin with. What do you think would happen if they start to collapse economically?
Here's looking forward to Turkey's rise on the West and Pakistan's on the East of the Muslim world - I wish we can work with them to redesign the Middle East to our liking. We are like two wings that will take the Muslim world to newer heights never reached before, InshAllah.
The dominant powers in the Middle East are Iran and Saudi Arabia (with the rest of PGCC), you have nigh zero clout to make any meaningful differences there. You seem to just be interested in peddling romantic fantasies rather than seeing the world as it is.
