Indira Gandhi's assassins honoured by Akal Takht

[JohnyD]

Its not just Sikhs.During the emergency rule my father and his SFI buddies were arrested for protesting and got beaten up by police.He still hates her.She did many horrible things and got what she desreved.

so when we had strong leader like India Gandhi, you had problems.

when we have mild leader like MMS, you have problems

now, you want strong leader like Modi who has done even more horrible thing...but you dont have any problem because he has not yet assumed the post!

if Modi does another adventure may be by going ahead and building a Ram Mandir in Ayodhya OR working as God Father for companies like Reliance to exploit our rare minerals and pollute the evnmt, you will start having problems!!

we Indians have typical and influenced mindset...there need a change!!

 

[zaxcollix]

so when we had strong leader like India Gandhi, you had problems.

when we have mild leader like MMS, you have problems

now, you want strong leader like Modi who has done even more horrible thing...but you dont have any problem because he has not yet assumed the post!

if Modi does another adventure may be by going ahead and building a Ram Mandir in Ayodhya OR working as God Father for companies like Reliance to exploit our rare minerals and pollute the evnmt, you will start having problems!!

we Indians have typical and influenced mindset...there need a change!!

You do realize that the real God Father of Reliance is Pranab Mukherjee right ? ..... there is not much chance of Narendra Modi selling his nation to the highest bidder.

BJP has already declared building Ram Mandir in Ayodhya in their election manifesto. It has been in their manifesto for the last 20 years.

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

so when we had strong leader like India Gandhi, you had problems.

when we have mild leader like MMS, you have problems

now, you want strong leader like Modi who has done even more horrible thing...but you dont have any problem because he has not yet assumed the post!

if Modi does another adventure may be by going ahead and building a Ram Mandir in Ayodhya OR working as God Father for companies like Reliance to exploit our rare minerals and pollute the evnmt, you will start having problems!!

we Indians have typical and influenced mindset...there need a change!!

3000 sikhs were murdered by the congressis,why the fck shouldn't we hate her?

 

[Jaggu]

1. If you do not have faith in the judiciary system then Dharma dictates that you first FIX the judiciary and then take her to court. There is not short cuts in following Dharma.

Sikhs tried that peacefully for decades before 84(Punjabi sooba movement, waters issue and other demands). Most Indians think everything just started in 84 or with Bhindranwala. All the peaceful means were finished when in 1978, 13 Sikh protesters were killed by Nirankaris who were allies of Indira Gandhi. Sikhs tried all sorts of ways to have the Nirankars punished through the court system. When nothing was accomplished, that is when Sikhs began to take up arms to defend themselves. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj has said in Zaffarnama letter written to Aurangzeb that "when all peaceful means have been used, it is righteous to raise the sword(as a last resort)".

Just look at your own history. Didn't Krishna and the Pandavs also take up arms and wage war when all peaceful means failed? Didn't Shiva jee Maratha also take up arms to fight against the unjust government of his time? Most Indians today have been brain washed by Mahatma Gandhis Ahimsa philosophy which have no base in Hindu Dharm.

[/B]2. Democracy also helps you in removing her from office by making your case public and building public support against her based on Dharma.

Democracy is only advantageous if you happen to belong to the majority. Sikhs are less than 2% of India's population. Sikh cannot get any justice through democracy, and the fact that those congress ministers who led anti Sikh riots in 84 are still living a luxurious free life.

Which is why Dharma does not allow for assassinations.

That statement is not supported by Hindu Dharma. Was Lord Krishna and Arjun not following dharma when they assassinated Bhishma, Karna, Drona all of whom were unarmed? those men were killed because they were on the side of Adharma(the side of Duryodhan).

Udham Singh had declared his intention to kill Dyar giving Dyar every chance to protect himself. Maybe now you will understand why Bhagat Singh is a far bigger hero than Udham singh.

No, Dyar was on stage giving a speech when Udham Singh assassinated him. At that time too, most Indians (including Gandhi and Nehru) condemned the assassination and declared Udham Singh a terrorist. But decades later the same Indians (including Nehru) declared Udham Singh as a great man.

There was NO ATTACK ON HARMANDIR SAHIB.

There was attack on terrorists hiding inside Sri Harmandir Sahib. The difference is quite clear.

I am being fair. Are you ?

The attack happened right on the Shaheedi purab of sri Guru Arjun Dev Jee. That was when Sikh from all over India come to Harimandir Sahib to observe the holiday. Indira gandhi chose that day so maximum number of Sikhs can be killed. If the attack was to happen why didn't it happen a day before or after the holiday? secondly, why was there a media black out in all of Punjab. What was Indira Gandhi trying to hide from the world media? Why was the Sikh reference library containing priceless historical artifacts burnt by the Indin army?Once the Sikh militants were killed, why did the Indian army begin to kill Sikh pilgrims(elderly, children, babies) and rape Sikh women? Even the Afghan army of Ahmad Shah Abdali was not this cruel when they attack Harmandir Sahib.

 

[JohnyD]

3000 sikhs were murdered by the congressis,why the fck shouldn't we hate her?

How many terrorist were killed by our forces in Sikh temple? 3000?

How many innocents were killed by the sikh terrorist hiding in your temple?…..how many more they would have killed had they been let go?….and that was not the only issue, it was a matter of national integrity, terrorism for separation if supported there
would not be a single country in the world which will survive united and peacefully for long time!

 

[Jaggu]

How many terrorist were killed by our forces in Sikh temple? 3000?

How many innocents were killed by the sikh terrorist hiding in your temple?…..how many more they would have killed had they been let go?….and that was not the only issue, it was a matter of national integrity, terrorism for separation if supported there
would not be a single country in the world which will survive united and peacefully for long time!

It had nothing to do with national integrity. As General Sinha rightly said, it was all about politics. Indira Gandhi knew the congress had no chance of winning the next elections so war was the best way to boost her popularity. And that is exactly what happened. Because of the attack on the Darbar Sahib the congress won the next elections.

 

[JohnyD]

It had nothing to do with national integrity. As General Sinha rightly said, it was all about politics. Indira Gandhi knew the congress had no chance of winning the next elections so war was the best way to boost her popularity. And that is exactly what happened. Because of the attack on the Darbar Sahib the congress won the next elections.

In that case BJP also did the same thing by destroying Babri to come to power…then why the same treatment was not given to leaders like Advani, Thackrey and many more?

You cannot be hyper sensitive about your religion when you are living in Country like India where there are many religious people living together…

Sikhs had done three mistakes before they saw the massacre!
1. They resorted to terrorism for cause that was anti-Indian
2. They preferred to keep their temple safe of blood than letting anti nationalist and terrorist being thrown out of it
3. Third and the biggest mistake, they murdered the PM of India.

 

[T90TankGuy]

It had nothing to do with national integrity. As General Sinha rightly said, it was all about politics. Indira Gandhi knew the congress had no chance of winning the next elections so war was the best way to boost her popularity. And that is exactly what happened. Because of the attack on the Darbar Sahib the congress won the next elections.

You are wrong , it was because the assassination of Indira that the congress got the highest total ever 400 seats in the LS. Plus you did not live in those days to see what was going on . north India was in turmoil due to the militancy . if Indira had not ordered the army to move in ,the sovereignty and even the existence of our nation as a whole would have been in question .

Try to read "operation blue star " by Lt gen K.S.Brar , it will give you a first hand account on what happened in the temple.

 

[livingdead]

martyr of the faith.lol. Killers of an old lady who refused to remove them and had trust on them. Its worse than being terrorist.

 

[Arya Desa]

China should thank her. Because of her mutual hatred of Nixon, America supported China.

 

[livingdead]

In that case BJP also did the same thing by destroying Babri to come to power…then why the same treatment was not given to leaders like Advani, Thackrey and many more?

You cannot be hyper sensitive about your religion when you are living in Country like India where there are many religious people living together…

Sikhs had done three mistakes before they saw the massacre!
1. They resorted to terrorism for cause that was anti-Indian
2. They preferred to keep their temple safe of blood than letting anti nationalist and terrorist being thrown out of it
3. Third and the biggest mistake, they murdered the PM of India.

you cannot blame all sikhs. Anti sikh riots is shameful, no matter what they did before. If it was indeed in response to terrorism, then it would have happened before.
It was clearly done by people in powerful position ( i mean the riots), I refuse to believe it was spontaneous.

 

[JohnyD]

you cannot blame all sikhs. Anti sikh riots is shameful, no matter what they did before. If it was indeed in response to terrorism, then it would have happened before.
It was clearly done by people in powerful position ( i mean the riots), I refuse to believe it was spontaneous.

same happened in Godhra...not all Muslims were culprits...?

 

[livingdead]

same happened in Godhra...not all Muslims were culprits...?

which is why, anti muslim riots were shameful too.

 

[Jaggu]

You are wrong , it was because the assassination of Indira that the congress got the highest total ever 400 seats in the LS.

It was all about politics. At the time, the opposition of Advani and bajpai were pressuring for attack. They were also doing this to take advantage of the Hindu vote. Indira Gandhi knew if she doesn't attack to appease the Hindus, she will lose the next election. So attacking the Darbar Sahib would be a win win situation for her. By attacking she would win the Hindu support(meaning votes during elections), she would be able to put to silence the opposition.

Despite the propaganda by the Indian media, Bhindranwala was not even asking for Khalistan. So the country's integrity and sovereignty issue had nothing to do with the attack even though that is the excuse Indira Gandhi used to justify the attack on the Darbar Sahib.

Plus you did not live in those days to see what was going on . north India was in turmoil due to the militancy . if Indira had not ordered the army to move in ,the sovereignty and even the existence of our nation as a whole would have been in question .

You are right, north India was a scary place to live in during that time for the Sikhs. Sikhs were being killed without any regard and if a Sikh protested he was declared a terrorist/separatist and shot dead. Not to mention when thousands of Sikhs were arrested during the Asia games on the orders of Indira Gandhi.

Try to read "operation blue star " by Lt gen K.S.Brar , it will give you a first hand account on what happened in the temple.

Brar is considered the biggest traitor of the Sikhs. His statements are full of lies. He claimed not a single bullet was shot towards the Golden temple, yet 500 bullet holes were counted after the attack. He claims the Indian soldiers went in without their shoes out of respect, yet pictures which have survived the attack clearly show Indian soldiers with their shoes on, in fact witnesses who survived the attack report how Indian soldiers were smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol right in the Darbar Sahib after they had occupied the complex. We still have the Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee on display which still has bullet holes in it, what was the need to fire at the scriptures(The GURU!) of the Sikhs?

 

[JohnyD]

which is why, anti muslim riots were shameful too.

so do you support "Indira Gandhi's assassins honoured by Akal Takht" or you r against it? sorry, but got confussed with ur replies as what is ur opinion wrt this thread.