Indian Navy Begins Search For New Large Landing Ships

[tanlixiang28776]

Sorry I meant design and build it yourself.

 

[Kinetic]

Why not build yourself?

As far as I understand, the ships will be build in India by an Indian shipyard with foreign assistance with its proven ship design.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

As far as I understand, the ships will be build in India by an Indian shipyard with foreign assistance with its proven ship design.

ToT can only get you so far. A LHD does not have complex steam catapults or nuclear reactors like an actual Aircraft Carrier. It also doesn't need huge amounts of weapons integration and sensors like in Destroyers. How is this monumentally hard for India to design and build for herself?

 

[angeldemon_007]

Why not build yourself?

All the 4 will be made in India but with collaboration with someone. At-least its better than buying Soviet era design half built projects and purchasing designs from those countries calling it indigenous.

ToT can only get you so far. A LHD does not have complex steam catapults or nuclear reactors like an actual Aircraft Carrier. It also doesn't need huge amounts of weapons integration and sensors like in Destroyers. How is this monumentally hard for India to design and build for herself?

I don't think you have idea about how this works. The ship will be at first designed on paper as per our requirement along with Director General Naval Design, we won't be buying a ready-made ship.

Sorry i got carried away...actually i would like our government to follow the same steps...

 

[Kinetic]

ToT can only get you so far. A LHD does not have complex steam catapults or nuclear reactors like an actual Aircraft Carrier. It also doesn't need huge amounts of weapons integration and sensors like in Destroyers. How is this monumentally hard for India to design and build for herself?

I asking myself the same question. It may be because they want them faster and custom made according to Indian specifications, other than that I don't find any other reason! When we are building carriers, nuclear submarines, destroyers, frigates etc why can't we design and build our own LPD.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

All the 4 will be made in India but with collaboration with someone. At-least its better than buying Soviet era design half built projects and purchasing designs from those countries calling it indigenous.

Don't be an *** You purchase entire soviet Aircraft carriers. Not even ultra nationalist Chinese are calling the Varyag as anything but a training ship. And China can design and build LPDs by itself which is more than you can you say for India. I didn't come looking for a fight but you just had too pull crap like that didn't you. You don't want me to bring up the the Arjun and LCA.

I don't think you have idea about how this works. The ship will be at first designed on paper as per our requirement along with Director General Naval Design, we won't be buying a ready-made ship.

Sorry i got carried away...actually i would like our government to follow the same steps...

The entire thread is talking about purchasing ready designed proven ships so I don't know where you got that from

 

[tanlixiang28776]

I asking myself the same question. It may be because they want them faster and custom made according to Indian specifications, other than that I don't find any other reason! When we are building carriers, nuclear submarines, destroyers, frigates etc why can't we design and build our own LPD.

If you can make aircraft carriers indigenously I doubt you would need help on a LPD or LHD.

Its like saying you need help on Algebra when you have already mastered Calculus. Doesn't really make any sense at all.

 

[Archie]

Sorry I meant design and build it yourself.

Well , designing the ship is not all that easy if u dont have any prior experience with the class of ships
I mean we have build 6000 ton tank landing ships like the Magar class or Shardul class

Shardul class landing ship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But we dont have any experience in building 20000 ton class LHD/LPD

Also indian arm forces are well known to jack up the capability requirement for a project while it is still in design and development phase
Hence it would be better to go for a proven state of the art design which can satisfy navies requirement both in 2020 and in 2050

Let me tell u the trials and tribulations faced by Indian Aircraft Carrier project

Indian Navy started looking at an Indegenous carrier project in 1988 just after the delivery of Viraat to the Indian Navy
At that time Navy was looking at building 2 AC s weighing around 28000 Ton and capable of carrying upto 30 Aircrafts comprising Sea Harriers and Helicopters
However Balance of Payment crises hit the GOI in 1991 , which led to virtual halt of Major Naval projects , as the economy healed , many projects were put back on track however stress was made on building Frigates and Destroyers and Purchase of Subs than ACs
In 1995 India Decided to go in for a 17000 Ton ACs / LHD based on the Invincible class and Indegenous Aircraft carrier project was again resurrected
However Asian Financial crises in 1997 and Sanctions imposed on India after 1998 Nuke test resulted in Again stopage of work on IAC Project

Project again began in 2001 , with removal of sanctions and Economy getting back on track
However by this time Navy had decided to change its capability requirement for IAC , coz Sea Harriers were no longer available and Navy wanted a modern 4th gen fighter for its carrier

When the design work began Navy had set requirement for a 32000 Ton Stobar carrier capable of operating 30 Aircrafts
However with proposed acquisition of Gorshkov along with a complement of Mig29K fighters in 2003 , Navy again decided to Increase the Size of IAC to 37000 Ton , when constuction work began in 2005

And finally when the Keel was laid for the carrier in 2009 By AK Antony , it was for a 40000Ton carrier , 260 Meter in Length and capable of carrying upto 40 Aircrafts comprising NLCA, Mig29K and a collection of Kamov AEW AND Sea King ASW Helicopters

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Looks like the Navy is like the air force, and Army. Always changing requirements. No wonder nothing gets done on time.

Eventually gets done I suppose.

 

[Kinetic]

Looks like the Navy is like the air force, and Army. Always changing requirements. No wonder nothing gets done on time.

Eventually gets done I suppose.

This is one of the main reason for delays, constant change in requirements. For every project.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

This is one of the main reason for delays, constant change in requirements. For every project.

Can they ever change this habit? Its worse than procrastination.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Don't be an ***

I said sorry earlier also and again.

You purchase entire soviet Aircraft carriers.

Yeah, we know, you know and the rest of the world knows it too. We are fooling ourselves by bringing an half built AC and calling it ours. Although I should admit, we should do this. We are developing 2 of our own.

And China can design and build LPDs by itself which is more than you can you say for India.

China has a very big naval shipyards and industries supporting it. Our shipyard don't have the facility for modular designing yet, just see the level. We cannot compare our Shipyards to yours (Although development is going on and after 2011, India will also be able to build modular design based ships.)

The entire thread is talking about purchasing ready designed proven ships so I don't know where you got that from

Yeah, actually according to the tender, these ships will only be an idea, many changes will have to be made inorder to meet the demands set by IN, just like what happened in Australia's case. Although there are few designs which i think should be selected directly just like Mistral or even Canberaa Class.

A LHD does not have complex steam catapults or nuclear reactors like an actual Aircraft Carrier. It also doesn't need huge amounts of weapons integration and sensors like in Destroyers. How is this monumentally hard for India to design and build for herself?

Yeah agreed but Multi purpose Amphibious Ships have many other things which an AC does not have. Also we are just developing, we are new. Our Indigenous aircraft carrier is in shipyard. Once it starts sea trials and go for induction then only our shipyards will get confidence to build such big vessels.

After this contract, the next LPD or LHD will be made in home.

 

[angeldemon_007]

The broad specifications


(a) The length of the ship would be approx 200 m. Breadth is to be commensurate with the length and tonnage of the ship.

(b) The draught of the ship is not to exceed 08 m.

(c) The ship is expected to have an endurance of 45 days.

(d) The ship is to have Diesel-Electric propulsion in either of the following configuration:-
(i) Twin shaft configuration, with twin rudders and Fixed Pitch Propellers or,
(ii) Shock graded podded propulsion.

(e) The ship is to have a suitable well deck for amphibious operations. The ship would carry amphibious crafts like LCMs or LCACs and LCVPs on davits and should have capability to launch these crafts when underway.

(f) The ship is expected to have a carriage of combat vehicles on one or more vehicle deck. This area should be adequate to embark Main Battle Tank (MBT), AAVs/BMP Class armoured vehicles and heavy trucks.

(g) The ship would be equipped with a Point Defence Missile System, Close In Weapon System, Anti Torpedo Decoy system, Chaff System and HMGs/ LMGs. In addition, ship would have one E/ F band combined air and surface surveillance radar and one C/D band air surveillance radar. All of these would be buyer nominated equipment.

(h) The ship is expected to carry army troops in addition to ship crew.

(i) The ship should have capability of simultaneous operation by day/ night of Special Operation Helicopters and Large Helicopters (upto 35 tons).

I found this out in a forum...

As Per Specification : Only Two with Length of 199m and Draught under 8ms..

Mistral class amphibious assault ship

Dokdo class amphibious assault ship

My vote is on Mistral but Dokdo class is also good and even cheaper...

 

[jha]

I found this out in a forum...

As Per Specification : Only Two with Length of 199m and Draught under 8ms..

Mistral class amphibious assault ship

Dokdo class amphibious assault ship

My vote is on Mistral but Dokdo class is also good and even cheaper...

You missed the keyword LPD..

Only Ship that fits the specifications is San Antonio Class with a length 208 mts.

 

[Whiplash]

I'm sorry what happened to anthony's statement where he said all future warships will be indigenous?
If anything, our aircraft carrier building experience will tremendously aid the LPD programme. It's high time we begin building cheap local weaponry in large numbers instead of spending crazy amounts (read: Gorshkov) on foreign weaponry.