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India ‘s state-owned shipyard Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) has revealed details about various projects the yard is participating in during a quarterly interaction with investors.

Surface Combatants
The Next Generation Corvette (NGC) program of the Indian Navy, which was cleared in June 2022 is expected to result in a request for proposal by the end of 2023. The $4.5 billion project is for eight multi-role vessels.
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A follow-on order for the Project 17A Nilgiri-class frigates, called Project 17B, has been under discussion for over a year. The project is expected to be for eight ships which could be split between two shipyards with the project expected to cost over $7.5 billion. Project 17A involves seven ships split 4:3 between MDL and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE). MDL will deliver its first frigate Nilgiri/P-17A in mid-2024.
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MDL is the only Indian shipyard that has built destroyers. Currently, the yard is executing the Project 15B Visakhapatnam-class destroyer project. The first two ships, INS Visakhapatnam and Momugao, have been inducted by the Indian Navy. The third destroyer, Imphal, will be delivered ahead of schedule by October while the fourth ship, Surat, is slated to be delivered in mid-2024.

Next Generation Destroyers
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Discussions are ongoing regarding the Next Generation Destroyer (NGD) program of the Indian Navy. MDL stated to investors that the project is now expected to be for a total of eight ships split in two phases, up from the five to six ships expected earlier. The project is now estimated to be worth over $10 billion. MDL is procuring a floating dry dock for $60 million which is capable of accommodating the NGD.

Broader details regarding the NGD remain scarce and have been a subject of intense speculation for years although the project remains in its initial stage. However, some expectations regarding the equipment and characteristics it could feature can be made based on known ongoing developmental projects as well as specifications publicized for other “Next Generation” vessels of the Indian Navy. A DRDO S-band primary AESA radar, an integrated composite mast and Integrated Electric Propulsion (IEP) are likely to be key requirements for the destroyer.

New munitions being developed by India such as the Long Range-Land Attack Cruise Missile (LR-LACM), SMART torpedo delivery missile and long range versions of the BrahMos missile can be expected to be among the primary offensive armament. Defensive armament may include under-development Long Range Surface to Air Missiles (LRSAM), Medium Range SAMs (MRSAM) which are currently in service, VL-SRSAM for short range air defence as well as ballistic missile interceptors. A universal vertical launch system by DRDO may be used for these missiles. Directed energy weapons and DRDO’s Torpbuster torpedo interdiction system are also likely to be featured. The first of these destroyers can be expected to enter service by the early 2030s.

New Submarines for India
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Fifth Kalvari class Scorpene submarine INS Vagir. Photo by Indian Navy.
MDL had tied up with Germany’s TKMS for the Indian Navy’s Project 75I program to build six submarines. MDL has submitted the price bid for the project prior to the closure of the Indian Navy’s request for information on August 1. The project cost is “significantly” more than the $5.4 billion projected initially. Order placement is expected to take over two years, with the first first submarine to be delivered in six years from contract signing. L&T, which partnered with Navantia, is the competitor to MDL for this contract.
MDL is also in talks with the Indian Navy for producing three additional Scorpene submarines, in collaboration with France’s Naval Group. Movement regarding this is expected within the next six months. Naval News understands that the two firms are also considering collaboration regarding the potential export of submarines. The sixth and final Kalvari-class Scorpene submarine, Vagsheer, built under Project 75, will be delivered in March 2024. The refit of the first submarine, INS Kalvari, is now expected to commence in mid-2025. The submarine is expected to be fitted with the DRDO AIP module during this refit. MDL could not confirm whether the three new submarines will receive this AIP system from the start, with the final decision dependent on its readiness by the time of build. Naval News understands however that with advances in Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) battery technology, these future submarines could feature such technology instead of AIP, for similar or even better performance. In 2022, MDL had released an expression of interest for Li-Ion batteries for underwater platforms. The Indian Navy has also expressed its interest in such systems.
 
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President Murmu to launch Navy’s stealth frigate on Aug 17
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Kolkata, Aug 11 (PTI) President Droupadi Murmu will launch a stealth frigate for the Indian Navy here on August 17, an official said.

Built by Defence PSU Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Limited (GRSE), this will be the third and last stealth frigate the warship maker was contracted to build for the Navy under Project 17A.

The President will launch the ship at the GRSE’s shipbuilding facility on the banks of River Hooghly here, the official said.

The state-of-the-art ship will be fitted with the latest gadgets and undergo extensive trials before being handed over to the Navy for commissioning into service.

P17A ships are guided missile frigates, each of which is 149 metres long, with displacement of approximately 6,670 tonnes and a speed of 28 knots, according to a GRSE official. They are a follow-on class of the P17 Shivalik class frigates with improved stealth features, advanced weapons and sensors and platform management systems.

The Indian Navy had placed orders for seven stealth frigates, four of which went to Mazagon Dock Ltd (MDL) and three to GRSE.

The Rs 19,294-crore contract for construction of the three stealth frigates under Project 17A is the largest-ever order for GRSE.

Though GRSE has other production activities like a diesel engine plant in Ranchi and bailey bridge construction, over 95 per cent of its revenues are generated from shipbuilding.

The second P17A stealth frigate built by GRSE was launched by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on July 15, 2022.

The first P17A frigate built by GRSE was launched in December, 2020 by Madhulika Rawat, wife of then Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat.

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Don't tag me on your threads again I'm not interested on Indian military development threads thanks
 
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India ‘s state-owned shipyard Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) has revealed details about various projects the yard is participating in during a quarterly interaction with investors.

Surface Combatants
The Next Generation Corvette (NGC) program of the Indian Navy, which was cleared in June 2022 is expected to result in a request for proposal by the end of 2023. The $4.5 billion project is for eight multi-role vessels.
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A follow-on order for the Project 17A Nilgiri-class frigates, called Project 17B, has been under discussion for over a year. The project is expected to be for eight ships which could be split between two shipyards with the project expected to cost over $7.5 billion. Project 17A involves seven ships split 4:3 between MDL and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE). MDL will deliver its first frigate Nilgiri/P-17A in mid-2024.
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MDL is the only Indian shipyard that has built destroyers. Currently, the yard is executing the Project 15B Visakhapatnam-class destroyer project. The first two ships, INS Visakhapatnam and Momugao, have been inducted by the Indian Navy. The third destroyer, Imphal, will be delivered ahead of schedule by October while the fourth ship, Surat, is slated to be delivered in mid-2024.
Next Generation Destroyers
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Discussions are ongoing regarding the Next Generation Destroyer (NGD) program of the Indian Navy. MDL stated to investors that the project is now expected to be for a total of eight ships split in two phases, up from the five to six ships expected earlier. The project is now estimated to be worth over $10 billion. MDL is procuring a floating dry dock for $60 million which is capable of accommodating the NGD.

Broader details regarding the NGD remain scarce and have been a subject of intense speculation for years although the project remains in its initial stage. However, some expectations regarding the equipment and characteristics it could feature can be made based on known ongoing developmental projects as well as specifications publicized for other “Next Generation” vessels of the Indian Navy. A DRDO S-band primary AESA radar, an integrated composite mast and Integrated Electric Propulsion (IEP) are likely to be key requirements for the destroyer.

New munitions being developed by India such as the Long Range-Land Attack Cruise Missile (LR-LACM), SMART torpedo delivery missile and long range versions of the BrahMos missile can be expected to be among the primary offensive armament. Defensive armament may include under-development Long Range Surface to Air Missiles (LRSAM), Medium Range SAMs (MRSAM) which are currently in service, VL-SRSAM for short range air defence as well as ballistic missile interceptors. A universal vertical launch system by DRDO may be used for these missiles. Directed energy weapons and DRDO’s Torpbuster torpedo interdiction system are also likely to be featured. The first of these destroyers can be expected to enter service by the early 2030s.

New Submarines for India
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Fifth Kalvari class Scorpene submarine INS Vagir. Photo by Indian Navy.
MDL had tied up with Germany’s TKMS for the Indian Navy’s Project 75I program to build six submarines. MDL has submitted the price bid for the project prior to the closure of the Indian Navy’s request for information on August 1. The project cost is “significantly” more than the $5.4 billion projected initially. Order placement is expected to take over two years, with the first first submarine to be delivered in six years from contract signing. L&T, which partnered with Navantia, is the competitor to MDL for this contract.
MDL is also in talks with the Indian Navy for producing three additional Scorpene submarines, in collaboration with France’s Naval Group. Movement regarding this is expected within the next six months. Naval News understands that the two firms are also considering collaboration regarding the potential export of submarines. The sixth and final Kalvari-class Scorpene submarine, Vagsheer, built under Project 75, will be delivered in March 2024. The refit of the first submarine, INS Kalvari, is now expected to commence in mid-2025. The submarine is expected to be fitted with the DRDO AIP module during this refit. MDL could not confirm whether the three new submarines will receive this AIP system from the start, with the final decision dependent on its readiness by the time of build. Naval News understands however that with advances in Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) battery technology, these future submarines could feature such technology instead of AIP, for similar or even better performance. In 2022, MDL had released an expression of interest for Li-Ion batteries for underwater platforms. The Indian Navy has also expressed its interest in such systems.
Although its all hypothetical, my 2 cents on this:

Our sanctioned strength for destroyers is 15 and for frigates it is 24. By 2027, we will be having 10 DDG:
03 P-15
03 P-15A
04 P-15B

And 23 FFG:
03 P11356 Batch 1
03 P-16A
03 P11356 Batch 2
03 P-17
07 P-17A
04 P11356 Batch 3/4

We will be short of 5 DDG and 1 FFG to reach the sanctioned numbers.

We will replace 03 P-16A and 03 P11356 Batch 01 frigates with 08 P-17B and reach the total number of 25 FFG by ~2035.

03 P-17
03 P11356 Batch 02
07 P-17A
04 P11356 Batch 03/04
08 P-17B

By the same time, we will also be inducting 04 NGD in first phase to reach the number 14 then we will add another 04 in second phase to replace the 03 P-15 and meet the requirement of 15 DDG by ~2037.

03 P-15A
04 P-15B
04 NGD Batch 01
04 NGD Batch 02
 
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Why no further orders for P-17A, will they have same fate of Kamorta class corvettes
8 more P-17B frigates will be ordered in the near future...

It's actually pretty good, it will be a force multiplier for least numerous destroyer fleet. It features flush deck, 8 brahmos VLUs, 32 barak 8
It has lots of space for upgrade, especially in deck it has more space to add more VLUs

It'll feature MF-STAR S-band and LTR 25 L band radar and most importantly it will be build using a method called modular integrated construction (MIC) where Ships are built in the shortest time when a series of specific pre-planned modules are assembled like a Lego set which is unlike the russian way which is least expensive, needs less skilled labour but take longer time to build, while MIC is more expensive, need skilled labour and construction will be faster

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Nigiri's were made at an astounding pace from Indian manufacturer's perspective. Need to order either P17A or P15B asap, or else we will have Mazagon sitting idle, just like its sitting idle after Scorpene completion!
 
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8 more P-17B frigates will be ordered in the near future...

It's actually pretty good, it will be a force multiplier for least numerous destroyer fleet. It features flush deck, 8 brahmos VLUs, 32 barak 8
It has lots of space for upgrade, especially in deck it has more space to add more VLUs

It'll feature MF-STAR S-band and LTR 25 L band radar and most importantly it will be build using a method called modular integrated construction (MIC) where Ships are built in the shortest time when a series of specific pre-planned modules are assembled like a Lego set which is unlike the russian way which is least expensive, needs less skilled labour but take longer time to build, while MIC is more expensive, need skilled labour and construction will be faster

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P-17s are almost as large as Sovremenny-class destroyers but P-17s carries less missiles. Though they can be upgraded later, a power pack of 16 brahmos VLUs and 48 barak 8, should have been standard.

Nigiri's were made at an astounding pace from Indian manufacturer's perspective. Need to order either P17A or P15B asap, or else we will have Mazagon sitting idle, just like its sitting idle after Scorpene completion!
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Since they were but in such a pace they should have atleast kept production rolling by ordering atleast another 3+3 that would have helped IN in atleast increase its fleet size.
 
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