India Measures Itself Against a China That Doesn’t Notice

[Gandhi G in da house]

Only an Indian, could possibly think that China's current GDP per capita makes us "rich".

Newsflash, we may have a large economy, but the average person is still very poor.

And if India can achieve a high level of growth, for the next 10-20 years, you can FINALLY reach our current "enviable position"... where even countries in Africa are still able look down on us.

What a future.

China is an upper middle income country now and can't be called poor though far from rich . when i said rich i meant relatively rich as compared to 10-20 years ago . It is a fact that China has suddenly seen a lot of prosperity ( unequal though it maybe) even though it is still far behind the west in terms of per capita income .Apparently that has gone to your heads . Too much to handle too quickly .

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

GDP per capita (2010 IMF figures):

China - 4,382

Angola - 4,500

Jamaica - 5,039

Namibia - 5,652

Botswana - 7,627

Mexico - 9,600

Don't worry guys, you'll get here one day.

 

[below_freezing]

It seems to be a national obsession in India: measuring the country’s economic development against China’s yardstick.


yes we do think China's economic development can be a model for us. But it is preposterous to say that it is a obsession !

“Indians are obsessed with China, but the Chinese are paying too little attention to India,” said Minxin Pei.

This is a personal opinion of Mr. Pei. An attempt to take high ground !



"In China, however, India does not register as a threat, economically or otherwise."

Chinese govt's actions makes us believe otherwise ! Again FAIL !

“In both countries, the level of knowledge about the other is relatively low,” Mr. Pei said

Mr. Pei is right here.

You can safely ignore Pei Minxin. He is an American paid by American CIA to stir up trouble for China, and other developing countries. He is not a liberal, but a far right neocon.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Great, another **** measuring contest!

 

[Abingdonboy]

Exactly ! china is a role model for development. Thats about it. To say that we are obsessed with China is stretching too far.

China is way ahead of India! period!

And yeah when it comes to economic growth people here see china as role model and many admire china's economic growth too and wana follow it! This is the main reason

Both China and India are remarkable models to the world but they cannot be compared as their economic policies are completely different as are social/political situations in both countries. India relies on innovation and entrpunership to develop whilst China relies on cheap labour and cheap production to develop. Also given the inject political considerations it is EXTREMLY unfair to compare the two as somthingthey would take 1 month in China takes 5 years of debating and appeals in India. Democracy bears this cost. However the Chinese model of governance comes with its own costs that I doping think I need to elaborate on. And it is not a one way thing, I was reading an article in the ET the otter week where a Chinese economist so poke of his admiration of India's development model and organic growth compared to China's economy that relied on huge GOVT injections which, he admitted, was a real worry and somthing that would have serious repercussions in the future.


However why turn this into a hate filled VS thread? Both countries are pulling tens of MILLIONS of people out of poverty EVERY YEAR and are the only two countries who are set to meet their MDGs by 2015. No need for war mongering or bashing we should be praising both and working together to further this trend and improve on it.

 

[Moorkh]

everyone is trying to catch up to the guy in front

India looks at China, China Looks at Europe and US

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

GDP per capita (2010 IMF figures):

China - 4,382

Angola - 4,500

Jamaica - 5,039

Namibia - 5,652

Botswana - 7,627

Mexico - 9,600

Don't worry guys, you'll get here one day.

China's per capita income is growing much more rapidly than these countries and very soon will take over them . My point stands too much prosperity in too little little time = Chinese arrogance .

Secondly when posting per capita figures you must always use PPP figures to compare , they show the real picture , not the nominal ones .

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everyone is trying to catch up to the guy in front

India looks at China, China Looks at Europe and US

True and you don't see Europeans and Americans acting arrogantly and indifferently towards China the way the Chinese act towards us Indians .

Them whities are actually smart .

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If India's GDP growth wasn't slowing down recently to 7%, then maybe they "could" have reached China's current position, in 10-20 years.

We're currently ahead of "Tonga", but still behind Angola, Namibia and Botswana.

What a rush!

 

[Executioner]

GDP per capita (2010 IMF figures):

China - 4,382

Angola - 4,500

Jamaica - 5,039

Namibia - 5,652

Botswana - 7,627

Mexico - 9,600

China started reform program end of 1978 and India beginning in 1990, so basically India has long way to catch up that is part of it. China is two times ahead of India because it’s a little deceptive takes 15 year of 7 and 8 % growth that essential double you’re economic, India has capability to growth rapidly for number of years before some problem affect the rapid growth. I know what sort of problem we are going to face in future due to some government policy in different state and in other side your country have advantage in many different aspect but what you think you don't have issue and conflicts which slow down your growth.

Don't worry guys, you'll get here one day.

Really, This what you think. If we are worry and tensioned, I hope it was true but unfortunately we are not serious and this is a bad thing, Really if we our government has taken this type of advised seriously then the figure was different (Don't take in other way). Why not we will gross this number and double our figures.


We have long way go hmm, Qatar we will get here some day.

GDP - per capita (PPP)

1 Qatar $ 179,000
2 Liechtenstein $ 141,100
3 Luxembourg $ 82,600
4 Bermuda $ 69,900
5 Singapore $ 62,100
6 Jersey $ 57,000
7 Norway $ 54,600
8 Brunei $ 51,600
9 United Arab Emirates $ 49,600
10 Kuwait $ 48,900
11 United States $ 47,200
12 Andorra $ 46,700
13 Hong Kong $ 45,900
14 Guernsey $ 44,600
15 Cayman Islands $ 43,800
16 Gibraltar $ 43,000
17 Switzerland $ 42,600
18 Australia $ 41,000
19 Austria $ 40,400
20 Netherlands $ 40,300
21 Bahrain $ 40,300
22 Canada $ 39,400
23 Sweden $ 39,100
24 British Virgin Islands $ 38,500
25 Iceland $ 38,300
26 Belgium $ 37,800
27 Ireland $ 37,300
28 Denmark $ 36,600
29 Equatorial Guinea $ 36,600
30 Greenland $ 36,500
31 San Marino $ 36,200
32 Germany $ 35,700
33 Taiwan $ 35,700
34 Finland $ 35,400
35 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) $ 35,400
36 Isle of Man $ 35,000
37 United Kingdom $ 34,800
38 Japan $ 34,000
39 France $ 33,100
40 Macau $ 33,000
41 Faroe Islands $ 32,900
42 European Union $ 32,700
43 Italy $ 30,500
44 Monaco $ 30,000
45 Korea, South $ 30,000
46 Israel $ 29,800
47 Greece $ 29,600
48 Spain $ 29,400
49 Bahamas, The $ 28,700
50 Slovenia $ 28,200
51 New Zealand $ 27,700
52 Oman $ 25,600
53 Malta $ 25,600
54 Czech Republic $ 25,600
55 Saudi Arabia $ 24,200
56 Seychelles $ 23,200
57 Portugal $ 23,000
58 Slovakia $ 22,000
59 Aruba $ 21,800
60 Barbados $ 21,800
61 Trinidad and Tobago $ 21,200
62 Cyprus $ 21,000
63 Estonia $ 19,100
64 Hungary $ 18,800
65 Poland $ 18,800
66 French Polynesia $ 18,000
67 Croatia $ 17,400
68 Antigua and Barbuda $ 16,400
69 Puerto Rico $ 16,300
70 Lithuania $ 16,000
71 Russia $ 15,900
72 Sint Maarten $ 15,400
73 Chile $ 15,400
74 New Caledonia $ 15,000
75 Curacao $ 15,000
76 Malaysia $ 14,700
77 Latvia $ 14,700
78 Argentina $ 14,700
79 Gabon $ 14,500
80 Virgin Islands $ 14,500
81 Lebanon $ 14,400
82 Mauritius $ 14,000
83 Botswana $ 14,000
84 Libya $ 14,000
85 Mexico $ 13,900
86 Saint Kitts and Nevis $ 13,700
87 Uruguay $ 13,700
88 Belarus $ 13,600
89 Bulgaria $ 13,500
90 Panama $ 13,000
91 Kazakhstan $ 12,700
92 Venezuela $ 12,700
93 Northern Mariana Islands $ 12,500
94 Turkey $ 12,300
95 Anguilla $ 12,200
96 Romania $ 11,600
97 Turks and Caicos Islands $ 11,500
98 Costa Rica $ 11,300
99 Saint Lucia $ 11,200
100 Azerbaijan $ 10,900
101 Serbia $ 10,900
102 Brazil $ 10,800
103 South Africa $ 10,700
104 Iran $ 10,600
105 Dominica $ 10,400
106 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines $ 10,300
107 Grenada $ 10,200
108 Montenegro $ 10,100
109 Cuba $ 9,900
110 Colombia $ 9,800
111 Suriname $ 9,700
112 Macedonia $ 9,700
113 Tunisia $ 9,400
114 Peru $ 9,200
115 Cook Islands $ 9,100
116 Dominican Republic $ 8,900
117 Thailand $ 8,700
118 Belize $ 8,400
119 Jamaica $ 8,300
120 Angola $ 8,200
121 Palau $ 8,100
122 American Samoa $ 8,000
123 Albania $ 8,000
124 Ecuador $ 7,800
125 China $ 7,600
126 Turkmenistan $ 7,500
127 Algeria $ 7,300
128 El Salvador $ 7,200
129 Guyana $ 7,200
130 Saint Pierre and Miquelon $ 7,000
131 Maldives $ 6,900
132 Namibia $ 6,900
133 Ukraine $ 6,700
134 Bosnia and Herzegovina $ 6,600
135 Kosovo $ 6,600
136 Kiribati $ 6,200
137 Egypt $ 6,200
138 Tonga $ 6,100
139 Niue $ 5,800
140 Armenia $ 5,700
141 Samoa $ 5,500
142 Bhutan $ 5,500
143 Jordan $ 5,400
144 Paraguay $ 5,200
145 Guatemala $ 5,200
146 Vanuatu $ 5,100
147 Nauru $ 5,000
148 Sri Lanka $ 5,000
149 Georgia $ 4,900
150 Bolivia $ 4,800
151 Syria $ 4,800
152 Morocco $ 4,800
153 Swaziland $ 4,500
154 Fiji $ 4,400
155 Indonesia $ 4,200
156 Honduras $ 4,200
157 Congo, Republic of the $ 4,100
158 Cape Verde $ 3,800
159 Wallis and Futuna $ 3,800
160 Iraq $ 3,800
161 Mongolia $ 3,600
162 Philippines $ 3,500
163 India $ 3,500
164 Tuvalu $ 3,400
165 Montserrat $ 3,400
166 Vietnam $ 3,100
167 Uzbekistan $ 3,100
168 Nicaragua $ 3,000
169 West Bank $ 2,900
170 Solomon Islands $ 2,900
171 Djibouti $ 2,800
172 Yemen $ 2,700
173 Timor-Leste $ 2,600
174 Ghana $ 2,500
175 Laos $ 2,500
176 Moldova $ 2,500
177 Nigeria $ 2,500
178 Western Sahara $ 2,500
179 Papua New Guinea $ 2,500
180 Marshall Islands $ 2,500
181 Saint Helena, Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha $ 2,500
182 Pakistan $ 2,500
183 Sudan $ 2,300
184 Cameroon $ 2,300
185 Kyrgyzstan $ 2,200
186 Micronesia, Federated States of $ 2,200
187 Mauritania $ 2,100
188 Cambodia $ 2,100
189 Tajikistan $ 2,000
190 Senegal $ 1,900
191 Gambia, The $ 1,900
192 Cote d'Ivoire $ 1,800
193 Sao Tome and Principe $ 1,800
194 Korea, North $ 1,800
195 Lesotho $ 1,700
196 Bangladesh $ 1,700
197 Kenya $ 1,600
198 Chad $ 1,600
199 Zambia $ 1,500
200 Benin $ 1,500
201 Tanzania $ 1,400
202 Burma $ 1,400
203 Uganda $ 1,300
204 Haiti $ 1,200
205 Burkina Faso $ 1,200
206 Nepal $ 1,200
207 Mali $ 1,200
208 Rwanda $ 1,100
209 Guinea-Bissau $ 1,100
210 Comoros $ 1,000
211 Ethiopia $ 1,000
212 Tokelau $ 1,000
213 Mozambique $ 1,000
214 Guinea $ 1,000
215 Afghanistan $ 900
216 Togo $ 900
217 Sierra Leone $ 900
218 Madagascar $ 900
219 Malawi $ 800
220 Niger $ 700
221 Central African Republic $ 700
222 Somalia $ 600
223 Eritrea $ 600
224 Zimbabwe $ 500
225 Liberia $ 500
226 Congo, Democratic Republic of the $ 300
227 Burundi $ 300

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

If India's GDP growth wasn't slowing down recently to 7%, then maybe they "could" have reached China's current position, in 10-20 years.

We're currently ahead of "Tonga", but still behind Angola, Namibia and Botswana.

What a rush!

no , we have not gone down to seven percent . We have gone to 7.8 % and 7.7 % respectivley in the last two quarters . That is still almost 8 percent and we can always make up for it in the coming quarters .so yeah we can still catch up with china's current position in about 20 years time . just two quarters of slightly slower growth don't mean much .

 

[ChinaToday]

China may soon topple Singapore to become most preferred country for Indian travellers

NEW DELHI: The growing thirst of Indian companies, big and small, to access Chinese markets has pushed up air travel between the two countries, making it the fastest-growing aviation route from India.

Air traffic from India to China grew 17.9% in the first six months of this year, beating overall international travel growth from the country, which stood at 10.9%, according to the International Air Transport Association. If this trend continues, China will soon overtake Singapore as the most favoured destination on the itinerary of Indian businessmen and executives.

In the past few months, several Indian pharma and IT companies and investment banks have set up shop in China, boosting travel between the two countries. This is in addition to about 400 Indian companies, including IT majors such as Infosys, Wipro and TCS, power producers like Adani Power and Suzlon, and automobile maker M&M, that already have a presence in China.

"While overall international traffic from India is growing at 10-12% annually, the segment flying between our country and China is exhibiting much higher growth at 14-16%," said Sunny Sodhi, VP (air product) at travel portal yatra.com. The majority of this segment constitutes business travelers, he added.

China is already India's largest trade partner. Commerce between the two countries has grown 20-fold in the past decade, touching $61.7 billion in 2010. In the first half of this year, trade volumes between the two crossed $35 billion, posting a year-on-year growth of 16.1%.

Economists say as the Indian and Chinese economies expand in the coming years, trade between the two would see a significant increase.

"As we have seen in the past, Indian IT, ITeS, pharma and even auto companies will go more to China while, power & power equipment, telecom and auto companies from China will set shop in India over the next five years," said DK Joshi, chief economist with ratings agency Crisil.

Analysts say the aviation sector would be among the biggest beneficiaries of the growth in bilateral trade.

"By the way business traffic on the China route is growing, it is expected to beat the India-Singapore route in the next five years," said Manmeet Ahluwalia, India marketing head at online travel company Expedia.

Singapore was rated the most visited destination by both business and leisure travelers from India by Nielsen Outbound Travel Monitor in 2010.

But its share in overall international travel from the country is on the decline. "China has emerged as one of the routes that is taking away Singapore's marketshare," Ahluwalia added.

Sandeep Shastri, vice-president and general manager at American Express Global Business Travel, said on a scale of 1 to 10 measuring the popularity of international destinations from India, China would get 7.

According to Ankur Bhatia, executive director at travel technology solutions conglomerate Bird Group, airline bookings from India to China have doubled in the past five years.

"In the next five years, China is expected to climb to the top five investment destinations for India from being among the top 10 today," said Madan Sabnavis, chief economist at ratings agency CARE. This will take trade between the two to over $100 billion, he added.

Ahluwalia of Expedia says families of Indian businessmen and executives travelling with them to China are also adding to the volume of leisure travelers. "As a result, people are going to at least 25 more Chinese destinations, in addition to Beijing and Shanghai," he said.

Experts, however, say travel growth would have been even better had there been more direct flights between India and China and visa rules had not been so stringent.

"Most traffic to China, at present, goes via hubs like Hong Kong and Singapore, partly because timing of direct flights is not very good," said Kapil Kaul, CEO (South Asia) at Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation.

India and China began direct flights in 2002. At present, Indian airlines fly 8,000 seats per week to China out of a bilateral quota of 42,000 while their Chinese counterparts fly 20,000 seats to India. Sector analysts say while air traffic has shown significant growth over the years, airlines have not added capacity in tandem. But Chinese airlines are now realising the business potential on this route.

"We are extremely bullish about the opportunity that India-China route represents," said Sidhhanta Sharma, president & CEO at InterGlobe Air Transport, which represents China Eastern Airlines & China Cargo in India

China may soon topple Singapore to become most preferred country for Indian travellers - Page2 - The Economic Times

India is potentially a direction for any further china economic growth, chinese leaders must take note and make india the second most important country after america.

 

[jdme]

Considering the title and story, I thought no Chinese member will post in this thread. I guess some Chinese are obsessed with India, even if they are obsession is only related to putting India down (ChinaToday fore example). I am glad this is a non-existent phenomenon for most Chinese.

 

[IndoCarib]

China does notice India. It is just that they are feigning ignorance about India

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Like it or not india is or will be a big market for chinese goods, for that india will be a very important country for China

Let your friends underestimate the advantages of the enemy overestimate your weaknesses.

 

[mahabharath]

Obviously not, but that doesn't stop you Indians from saying this:

yes,you are slant eyed chinkis + 2 cents army paid by communist chinks
Original Post By baldwin

It's OK to degrade us as "ChiComs", but then these same Indians turn around and say they want to emulate our capitalist style of economic growth! Bu ke sheng yan.

What a weird mentality you have.
1. how many people might have seen that quote from "so-called" indian? very few. But now you let every one knew about it!!!!
2. When you are talking to the members in this thread, have you seen any one of these...i repeat... ANY ONE of these.... regular members..ever used that word? None..but still it won't stop you from cut/pasting some unknown members posts in every thread..why is this girly attitude you have?

what an attitude ...