Could Ranjeet Singh's statue in Lahore be torn down like the statues of tyrants in the West?

[TheGreatMaratha]

lol

he got shot

So?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Diwali mana rahe ho miyaan yahan. Pholay nahi sama rahe

I am not a miyaan. @Soumitra

- PRTP GWD

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Ranjeet singh was indeed a tyrant, just read about his bloodbath in Peshawar at the hands of an italian governor, but then again which king was not?

regards

I hope you know that prior to those incidents, Ahmad Shah Abdali had desecrated the Golden Temple (Harmandar Sahib) by pouring waste into the pool along with slaughtered cows. He later returned 5 years later and blew the Golden Temple with gunpowder. Considering these events where the one of the most holy places of Sikhism was desecrated, he was still quite tolerant. Ranjit Singh later renovated and rebuilt the Golden Temple with marble and gold.

I'm not really defending him but Ranjit Singh followed a policy of tit for tat. And I know Abdali did all those things about 50 years prior.

 

[El Sidd]

So?

Nothing. Just ironic

I am not a miyaan. @Soumitra

- PRTP GWD

I am so sorry about the misunderstanding.

You like it when they fight over race, right?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Name another leader from the region was a conquerer king---.

Dina Arain.
https://www.dawn.com/news/617952/di...a Beg Khan, alias Dina,Beg Khan and the Sikhs.

Dina Arain.
https://www.dawn.com/news/617952/dina-arain-the-master-double-game-player#:~:text=Adina Beg Khan, alias Dina,Beg Khan and the Sikhs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adina_Beg

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

even now respected across the world.

Why wouldn't he be respected by the world? He was a loyal subject of the British and served the British interests till his last breath.

- PRTP GWD

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

He was a loyal subject of the British and served the British interests till his last breath.

How did he support the British with his satyagrahas, Civil Disobedience movements, Quit India movements, Non-Cooperation movements? Why did the British even arrest him? What was he going to gain by roaming around the country with his frequent fasts? This is just another one of the silly conspiracy theories.

 

[Crusher]

Dina Arain.
https://www.dawn.com/news/617952/dina-arain-the-master-double-game-player#:~:text=Adina Beg Khan, alias Dina,Beg Khan and the Sikhs.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adina_Beg

I have a feeling that many cucks of Ranjeet Singh belong to a certain caste/tribe/baradri and would rather choose a sikh from their own caste/tribe/baradri rather than a muslim conqueror from another caste/tribe/baradri like Arain. Believe it or not it all boils down to the caste/tribe/baradri "solidarity" in case of these cucks "reverence" of ranjeet singh.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Lol no one takes your opinion on Gandhi seriously. He was one of the major leaders of the Independence movement and is even now respected across the world. You should really watch the movie Gandhi produced and directed by Richard Attenborough and starring Ben Kingsley to gain some more knowledge even if you are not able to read his book called 'My Experiments With Truth'. The movie 'Gandhi' was nominated for the Academy Awards in 11 categories and won 8 of them.

Of course my view isn't the widely held perception. I'm well aware of that. Gandhi is a hippie and left wing liberal icon. If folks knew the reality, they would wonder who this guy - let's not forget he was a modern, educated and wealthy individual in the 20th century - really was, beyond Attenborough's selective portrayal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53025407

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34265882

Many have had enough of his propaganda. He was most probably a bhakt who felt the only way to upend British rulers to whom he sucked up was through throwing piles of Indians in the path of the occupiers - a valid strategy if military or political solutions are not possible, or if one is too afraid of one's white masters to lead the charge and take them on toe to toe. The guy actually believed unashamedly in stratification of society based on colour and/or identity. This is no different to bhakt philosophy and the caste system in general.


Desai, author of The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire:

"Gandhi believed in the Aryan brotherhood. This involved whites and Indians higher up than Africans on the civilised scale. To that extent he was a racist. To the extent that he wrote Africans out of history or was keen to join with whites in their subjugation he was a racist,"

"To the extent that he accepted white minority power but was keen to be a junior partner, he was a racist."

"You cannot have Gandhi as an accomplice of colonial subjugation in South Africa and then also defend his liberation credentials in South Africa."

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This one,

He was a tyrant who made the lives of the Muslim populations of Punjab, Kashmir and modern KPK miserable but his statue was placed in Lahore a couple of years ago by the self-hating "ham bahasiat qaum munafiq hain" brigade in Lahore. So now as we are living in the age of tearing down statutes of tyrants from the past in the wake of current global campaign against the statues of the past racists and tyrants, is it possible that the statue of this tyrant could also meet the same fate. You comments please?

NO WE WON'T. Pakistanis are NOT black lives matter nor do we blame everything on "racism"............

PS black lives matter in the UK are asking for the ghandi statue in Leicester to be removed as ghandi apparently didn't like blacks. The blacks in Leicester have already vandalised the ghandi statue.

Of course my view isn't the widely held perception. I'm well aware of that. Gandhi is a hippie and left wing liberal icon. If folks knew the reality, they would wonder who this guy - let's not forget he was a modern, educated and wealthy individual in the 20th century - really was, beyond Attenborough's selective portrayal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53025407

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34265882

Many have had enough of his propaganda. He was most probably a bhakt who felt the only way to upend British rulers to whom he sucked up was through throwing piles of Indians in the path of the occupiers - a valid strategy if military or political solutions are not possible, or if one is too afraid of one's white masters to lead the charge and take them on toe to toe. The guy actually believed unashamedly in stratification of society based on colour and/or identity. This is no different to bhakt philosophy and the caste system in general.


Desai, author of The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire:

"Gandhi believed in the Aryan brotherhood. This involved whites and Indians higher up than Africans on the civilised scale. To that extent he was a racist. To the extent that he wrote Africans out of history or was keen to join with whites in their subjugation he was a racist,"

"To the extent that he accepted white minority power but was keen to be a junior partner, he was a racist."

"You cannot have Gandhi as an accomplice of colonial subjugation in South Africa and then also defend his liberation credentials in South Africa."

The blacks in Leicester UK have ALREADY vandalised the ghandi statue there. They are asking for his statue to be removed. black lives matter UK are claiming that ghandi was racist towards blacks.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Why wouldn't he be respected by the world? He was a loyal subject of the British and served the British interests till his last breath.

- PRTP GWD

You're slightly wrong. He wasn't a British agent, merely a loyal fanboy of the British.

 

[Maarkhoor]

I have a feeling that many cucks of Ranjeet Singh belong to a certain caste/tribe/baradri and would rather choose a sikh from their own caste/tribe/baradri rather than a muslim conqueror from another caste/tribe/baradri like Arain. Believe it or not it all boils down to the caste/tribe/baradri "solidarity" in case of these cucks "reverence" of ranjeet singh.

There are not a single Sikh, Hindu etc belongs to Arain caste.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

His statue was already vandalised once in August 2019.

Go ahead, build more Ertegrul statues based on TV characters from foreign countries.

 

[El Sidd]

His statue was already vandalised once in August 2019.

Go ahead, build more Ertegrul statues based on TV characters from foreign countries.

Will Mexico pay for it?

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Of course my view isn't the widely held perception. I'm well aware of that. Gandhi is a hippie and left wing liberal icon. If folks knew the reality, they would wonder who this guy - let's not forget he was a modern, educated and wealthy individual in the 20th century - really was, beyond Attenborough's selective portrayal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53025407

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34265882

Many have had enough of his propaganda. He was most probably a bhakt who felt the only way to upend British rulers to whom he sucked up was through throwing piles of Indians in the path of the occupiers - a valid strategy if military or political solutions are not possible, or if one is too afraid of one's white masters to lead the charge and take them on toe to toe. The guy actually believed unashamedly in stratification of society based on colour and/or identity. This is no different to bhakt philosophy and the caste system in general.


Desai, author of The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire:

"Gandhi believed in the Aryan brotherhood. This involved whites and Indians higher up than Africans on the civilised scale. To that extent he was a racist. To the extent that he wrote Africans out of history or was keen to join with whites in their subjugation he was a racist,"

"To the extent that he accepted white minority power but was keen to be a junior partner, he was a racist."

"You cannot have Gandhi as an accomplice of colonial subjugation in South Africa and then also defend his liberation credentials in South Africa."

Some quotes from the same articles that you posted. Please read them carefully, this is from the 1st one:
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Professor of Indian history at Oxford University, Faisal Devji, said he thought the debate to remove the statue was "absurd".

"It seems almost surreal to have to list the many things Gandhi did," he said.

"He's a fallible man as all men are, but to lump him in with slave owners, that's a bit much."

But Prof Devji said Gandhi's "record is actually very mixed", and he was known to sympathise with Africans during the Boer and Zulu wars.

"Gandhi too was an imperfect human being, [but] imperfect Gandhi was more radical and progressive than most contemporary compatriots," he said.

Former MP Keith Vaz, who was at the unveiling of the Leicester statue in 2009, called the Indian leader "one of the greatest peacemakers in history", and said he would "defend [the statue] personally".

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Second one:

Ramachandra Guha, writer of the magisterial Gandhi Before India, writes that "to speak of comprehensive equality for coloured people was premature in early 20th Century South Africa". Attacking Gandhi for racism, wrote another commentator, "takes a simplistic view of a complex life".

More than a century after he left Africa, there has been a resurrection of Gandhi in South Africa. Despite their reservations about the 'man of Empire', Desai and Vahed acknowledge that Gandhi "did raise universal demands for equality and dignity".

But even the greatest men are flawed. And Gandhi was possibly no exception.

My personal opinion is that Gandhi went to Africa when he was too young. He developed himself more spiritually when he came to India.
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Read this:
https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/Mandela-and-the-Mahatma/article12009462.ece

https://progressive.org/dispatches/mandela-took-inspiration-gandhi/

@Joe Shearer Any thoughts?

He was most probably a bhakt who felt the only way to upend British rulers to whom he sucked up was through throwing piles of Indians in the path of the occupiers - a valid strategy if military or political solutions are not possible, or if one is too afraid of one's white masters to lead the charge and take them on toe to toe.

He went to jail multiple times unlike M.A. Jinnah. What will you say about that? If the Britishers are throwing a person to jail, surely that person is a big headache for the British right? Anyway, your rants are just useless and the words you have used for him clearly shows your disgusting thinking.

Have some iota of shame. He fought for communal harmony. In many places, he ensured that Muslims were not killed in riots.