Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Armchair-General]

JF17 Thunder program is meant to improve Airforce and is on Track specially with investment in Azm project
No urgency on Airforce , we need to fix our Navy

Pick up 18-36 Mirage 2000 on side

I would prefer J-10 to replace the mirage in strike role

 

[araz]

I would prefer J-10 to replace the mirage in strike role

Depends on which fighter makes the fifth generation platform for PAF. How long can the Mirage continue? And will 16s be available second hand by 2019-22. If you think about it the real issue is one of Escort for bombing missions which you guys have been harping on about. If Mirage can carry the load provided there is a fifth generation AC willing to provide top cover and SEAD role we could use these fighters for as long as we want. If one is not available then we need to look at another solution. Solutions could be saturation CM attacks which may incite a Nuclear response or fighters with a good SEAD capable top cover. What we then use is another story? However in the 2018-2022 bracket I dont see a new fighter arriving for PAF. My 2 paisas worth.
A

 

[Armchair]

Depends on which fighter makes the fifth generation platform for PAF. How long can the Mirage continue? And will 16s be available second hand by 2019-22. If you think about it the real issue is one of Escort for bombing missions which you guys have been harping on about. If Mirage can carry the load provided there is a fifth generation AC willing to provide top cover and SEAD role we could use these fighters for as long as we want. If one is not available then we need to look at another solution. Solutions could be saturation CM attacks which may incite a Nuclear response or fighters with a good SEAD capable top cover. What we then use is another story? However in the 2018-2022 bracket I dont see a new fighter arriving for PAF. My 2 paisas worth.
A

Mirages on AD will be phased out but those on a strike role will likely remain at least till 2025 if not beyond. imho.

 

[imadul]

Mirages were inducted some 50 years ago. Though this does not give their actual age as measured in hrs and cycles.
They have been going through full overhaul. But how much more effective useful life PAF can squeeze out of the?. Airframe is one thing, there are other parts too, engine, landing gear etc. How each part is kept in working order? How mental fatigue is fixed? Can someone explain.
I do notice crashing of PAF mirages every now and then.

 

[CHI RULES]

Mirages were inducted some 50 years ago. Though this does not give their actual age as measured in hrs and cycles.
They have been going through full overhaul. But how much more effective useful life PAF can squeeze out of the?. Airframe is one thing, there are other parts too, engine, landing gear etc. How each part is kept in working order? How mental fatigue is fixed? Can someone explain.
I do notice crashing of PAF mirages every now and then.

Since last few months no crash recorded regarding Mirages. The crashes were mostly of Mirage-III variants this means that Mirage V of PAF are still safe to fly. However some extra work has been done to make Mirage III better.

The first preference should be to re[lace Mirage III old versions and F7s ( which are perhaps already being replaced with JF17s mostly).

F7s and F7PGs were produced with short life cycle, so next threat is of F7PGs.

Depends on which fighter makes the fifth generation platform for PAF. How long can the Mirage continue? And will 16s be available second hand by 2019-22. If you think about it the real issue is one of Escort for bombing missions which you guys have been harping on about. If Mirage can carry the load provided there is a fifth generation AC willing to provide top cover and SEAD role we could use these fighters for as long as we want. If one is not available then we need to look at another solution. Solutions could be saturation CM attacks which may incite a Nuclear response or fighters with a good SEAD capable top cover. What we then use is another story? However in the 2018-2022 bracket I dont see a new fighter arriving for PAF. My 2 paisas worth.
A

Sir or financial constraints can't justify or defense gaps. IAF shall be more potent with induction of Rafaels, SU30 upgraded with better operational availability, Mig29 further upgrades, Jaguars being upgraded. Even in mid term we observe induction of F35 .

At least what we should do is to make JF17 block 3 more potent at least for AD, meanwhile for limited interception, deep penetration the Su35 or any Chinese flanker should be acquired.

 

[fatman17]

Just a nice picture

 

[imadul]

Since last few months no crash recorded regarding Mirages. The crashes were mostly of Mirage-III variants this means that Mirage V of PAF are still safe to fly. However some extra work has been done to make Mirage III better.

The first preference should be to re[lace Mirage III old versions and F7s ( which are perhaps already being replaced with JF17s mostly).

F7s and F7PGs were produced with short life cycle, so next threat is of F7PGs.



Sir or financial constraints can't justify or defense gaps. IAF shall be more potent with induction of Rafaels, SU30 upgraded with better operational availability, Mig29 further upgrades, Jaguars being upgraded. Even in mid term we observe induction of F35 .

At least what we should do is to make JF17 block 3 more potent at least for AD, meanwhile for limited interception, deep penetration the Su35 or any Chinese flanker should be acquired.

Yes, Chinese J11-D, which has AESA and IFR. J11D, probably equal or better than SU35?
My other question, how many more hours mirages could be stretched? It is mind boggling this 60's machine still flies.

 

[Readerdefence]

Yes, Chinese J11-D, which has AESA and IFR. J11D, probably equal or better than SU35?
My other question, how many more hours mirages could be stretched? It is mind boggling this 60's machine still flies.

Hi at the moment Chinese are developing & bringing out j16 & j16 growler kind of
J11D is not that mature as compare to su35 with tvc and top notch Russian aesa you can imagine
Why Chinese have bought them at the very first instance
Now I’m not saying j11 is not capable but no comparison with su35
So if Pakistan has to buy something for China in j series it should be j16 very sleek and agile
Aircraft if not then to counter the IAF Rafales j10c will also work well
Thank you

 

[syed_yusuf]

Su35 does not have aesa from Russia

 

[litman]

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Paki.../aIL+Ipj00Uec7AOg1850OIZP2erMfQPOeaZt+wLsEzOB
why PAF has used an upgraded mirage with air to air refueling capability for only display purpose?

 

[jamal18]

@imadul

I remember a comment by an air chief in charge of the overhaul. He said technically, you can only overhaul an aircraft so often. After a while the very metal the aircraft is made of fatigues.

This comment was made a very long time ago.

 

[khanasifm]

Nothing on f-16 is equivalent and jf-17 still working towards it and need additional # to replace which will eventually happen in 7-10 years as 9-10 sqn still remaining pg plus mirages

 

[Inception-06]

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Nothing on f-16 is equivalent and jf-17 still working towards it and need additional # to replace which will eventually happen in 7-10 years as 9-10 sqn still remaining pg plus mirages

The Jf-17 cant replace all capabilities of the Mirage series? H-2, H-4, cruise missile, anti-radiation Missiles etc. ?

 

[The Accountant]

why not ?

The Jf-17 cant replace all capabilities of the Mirage series? H-2, H-4, cruise missile, anti-radiation Missiles etc. ?

 

[khanasifm]

??ALCM

Eventually it will as the number are
Available to replace sqn ~250 jf making 12-13 plus sqn

4 f-16 sqn

that leaves ~ 2-3 sqn which may be another type ?? May be still a version of jf in future who knows total 20 or so sqn of around 380-400 Ac including 1 sqn k-8s