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Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

Should Pakistan upgrade its Mirages to South African Cheetah standard if not Beyond?

  • Yes

    Votes: 181 59.0%
  • No

    Votes: 126 41.0%

  • Total voters
    307
No 5 Sqn Mirage 71 war
 

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  • Stuff done with the Mirage is certainly commendable , if the plane is in healthy situation (Engine/Parts)
  • Would be nice to see Mirage (MLU)
> New Radar
> New helmet based targeting
> New Enhanced Data Display


Out of curiosity , since Turkey has Software /Hardware for a plane which they made 100%
in Turkey , why can't we just bring those systems into Mirage ?


Even we make the hardware parts now / software

Just take out all the hardware / old software and install new stuff

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For me Mirage would be still tremendous plane with new Radar/New Helmet based targeting module , and BVR weapons (Need hardware/software upgrade)​
 
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Pakistan AF Mirage ROSE upgraded fighter with Air Refueling Probe.
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Did you know ?? These Mirage fighters have completed their airframe life but still they are active in service with PAF and doing very good job than Chinese made F-7Ps and that's why Pakistan is replacing F-7Ps first with JF 17 Thunder fighters.Believe it or not PAF Mirage fighters are capable for carrying Nuclear cruise missiles , Anti Runway bombs , Anti-Surface bombs ,Anti-Ship missiles and include some short range Air to Air missiles.

Do you have pics of Mirage with full ammunition load-out? I've not seen pics showing the max load-out of weapons on it.
 
1. Never ever I have seen a picture of PAF Mirage with Night vision / IR under the nose with protective cover taken off

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2. Not Sure if the AIM-9P have been upgrded to P4 making them all aspect or still pushing older version on Mirages (AIM-9 P4-improved version of the AIM-9 P3 which is equipped with a Homing Head like the "L" version.)

The J/N evolved into the P series, with five versions being produced (P1 to P5) including such improvements as new fuzes, reduced-smoke rocket motors, and all-aspect capability on the latest P4 and P5.
BGT in Germany has developed a conversion kit for upgrading AIM-9J/N/P guidance and control assemblies to the AIM-9L standard, and this is being marketed as AIM-9JULI. The core of this upgrade is the fitting of the DSQ-29 seeker unit of the AIM-9L, replacing the original J/N/P seeker to give improved capabilities.
 
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Problem with the mirage lll and V are the airframes, so one has to be very careful when investing in them. basically other than the ROSE aircraft, they need to be replaced ASAP.
 
MLU means Mid-Life Upgrade. Mirages are past their useful life even past their era. they are in very well maintained condition because of the brand new engines and spare parts that PAF acquired from across the world.


  • Stuff done with the Mirage is certainly commendable , if the plane is in healthy situation (Engine/Parts)
  • Would be nice to see Mirage (MLU)
> New Radar
> New helmet based targeting
> New Enhanced Data Display


Out of curiosity , since Turkey has Software /Hardware for a plane which they made 100%
in Turkey , why can't we just bring those systems into Mirage ?


Even we make the hardware parts now / software

Just take out all the hardware / old software and install new stuff

13263934_1104418262930338_4152731413535372403_n.jpg


For me Mirage would be still tremendous plane with new Radar/New Helmet based targeting module , and BVR weapons (Need hardware/software upgrade)​
 
Mirage is a good platform for strike purposes and they can serve for some more years. PAF should have given it a canard upgrade to improve handling and takoff capability and replaced the ATAR9C with a better engine either ATAR9K50 or RD-93 types in the mid 2000s.
 
Even ROSE started in 1998/2000ish so 18-16 years ago , Mirage fuselage repair and inspection has no limit only limit is wings which needs to be replaced after not sure but say XXX hours. Picked up 70 new engines from Libya and not sure how many new.old wings from all across the globe

But looks like F7s and PG will go before all Mirages
 
  • Stuff done with the Mirage is certainly commendable , if the plane is in healthy situation (Engine/Parts)
  • Would be nice to see Mirage (MLU)
> New Radar
> New helmet based targeting
> New Enhanced Data Display


Out of curiosity , since Turkey has Software /Hardware for a plane which they made 100%
in Turkey , why can't we just bring those systems into Mirage ?


Even we make the hardware parts now / software

Just take out all the hardware / old software and install new stuff

13263934_1104418262930338_4152731413535372403_n.jpg


For me Mirage would be still tremendous plane with new Radar/New Helmet based targeting module , and BVR weapons (Need hardware/software upgrade)​
The mirage has passed it's useful life and even rebuild can't make them like MLU F16s. Further spares of Mirage-III/V are not available. PAF is perhaps relying on parts collected from the retired once both internally and externally which is amazing yet we can't convert 3rd gen Jet to compete with 4.5th gen jets.
The old engines or avionics may go out of life any time as happened in last few years with both F7Ps and Mrage-IIIs.
 

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