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There is bro, but lets not indulge in this topic publicly.There's still no replacement for Mirage's role...
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There is bro, but lets not indulge in this topic publicly.There's still no replacement for Mirage's role...
There is bro, but lets not indulge in this topic publicly.
Two points
A platform to be discussed in PAF New Fighter Thread as an option and for quality discussion
A secrete which shouldn't be revealed, in-case that is in discussion or consideration at all
but the way you replied, sounds mix of unwilling to share an option alongside the suspicion being secrete.
Can you point to exactly which platform you are alluding to? The only thing missing in that thread are inter galactic warp speed capable flying saucers.
THAT I am happy about!! I want these relics gone, let the fly boys feel the pressure, and ramp up production of JF17, or buy something off the shelf, but for Gods sake get rid of these relics!
Yes Bro, options are there.I am not pointing at any platform but got the notion from your post, for us having an option to replace Mirage but not to discuss in public.
Can you tell me what its range is, at Mach 2 with a full A2G load and extra fuel tanks?This baby goes twice the speed of sound. Hard to get that off the shelf. Yes, modern missiles are faster, but the devil is in the details. Mission planning, mission planning, mission planning...
Can you tell me what its range is, at Mach 2 with a full A2G load and extra fuel tanks?
Please read:
JF-17 Block III Multirole Fighter
Hi, What posters are missing here is that the MIG21 is a 60's aircraft like the Mirage 3 when mach 2 ++ was the speed to be. None of the aircraft--the Mig21 or the F16---fully loaded can do mach2. Then flying at mach 2 is a very bad speed when your chasing missile is doing mach3---. That...defence.pk
I went through that very fine logically deducted post, but a few points were missing.
1) Bomb Toss was not perfected by PAF on M3/M5, but Viper.
2) The only advantage that M3/5 have is the ability to fly fast at low alt. With extra fuel tanks and A2G load, Mach2 happens, if at all, in short bursts. A bogey on your tail, taking you down with BVR is highly probable, hence the need for escorts (not the Ayyan Malik type)
3) Data Link is how M3/5's maintain SA. In a dense EW environment this can be compromised.
4) Despite our MRO's / rebuilds, and micro fracture detection eqpt, air frame fatigue,and engine failure is a very serious issue.
5) Our adversaries are inducting the latest h/w, whereas in this particular case, we are literally "maintaining minimum credible deterrence."
6) When we loose an M3/5 pilot in peace time, being the brother of a young Shaheed it weighs on you. The tragic loss and personal struggle of a young family is heart breaking. To keep flying these relics till they literally fall apart in mid air, is nothing less than criminal negligence. Albeit it is a rare occurrence, but nonetheless a catastrophic one for those who loose a loved one.
Just my opinion, hope you dont mind.
I went through that very fine logically deducted post, but a few points were missing.
1) Bomb Toss was not perfected by PAF on M3/M5, but Viper.
2) The only advantage that M3/5 have is the ability to fly fast at low alt. With extra fuel tanks and A2G load, Mach2 happens, if at all, in short bursts. A bogey on your tail, taking you down with BVR is highly probable, hence the need for escorts (not the Ayyan Malik type)
3) Data Link is how M3/5's maintain SA. In a dense EW environment this can be compromised.
4) Despite our MRO's / rebuilds, and micro fracture detection eqpt, air frame fatigue,and engine failure is a very serious issue.
5) Our adversaries are inducting the latest h/w, whereas in this particular case, we are literally "maintaining minimum credible deterrence."
6) When we loose an M3/5 pilot in peace time, being the brother of a young Shaheed it weighs on you. The tragic loss and personal struggle of a young family is heart breaking. To keep flying these relics till they literally fall apart in mid air, is nothing less than criminal negligence. Albeit it is a rare occurrence, but nonetheless a catastrophic one for those who loose a loved one.
Just my opinion, hope you dont mind.
Mach-2 is possible for a limited time only in certain diving maneuver from the point of service ceiling in clean configuration.Can you tell me what its range is, at Mach 2 with a full A2G load and extra fuel tanks?
Bottom line is mirages are here not because we love them but because right now there is no $$ and no replacement available even jf-17 will first replace f-7s, needing replacement of 3 pg sqdn
Mirages has specialized roles like night attack and stand off which in case of f-16 stand off A2g is not available and jf-17 still need to get it referring to h2/h4 but perhaps would not even needed on jf-17 as h2/h4 may be coming to end after mirage phase out
Jf-17 has Chinese stand off tactical options and RAAD as strategic option
This baby goes twice the speed of sound.