Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[khanasifm]

As mirages are going to be around for at least another decade Looks like paf want to keep them current and like T-37 Plan to upgrade some of the mirages to all digital cockpit and avionics - guessing based on the news from one of the vendor and there are multiple vendor competing

first mirages Sqn will start Converting to jf Plus if any other platform in play ~ 2024/5 time

Again guessing based on information available open sources

 

[mingle]

As mirages are going to be around for at least another decade Looks like paf want to keep them current and like T-37 Plan to upgrade some of the mirages to all digital cockpit and avionics - guessing based on the news from one of the vendor and there are multiple vendor competing

first mirages Sqn will start Converting to jf Plus if any other platform in play ~ 2024/5 time

Again guessing based on information available open sources

One vendor is Denel for sure who are others??

 

[Readerdefence]

As mirages are going to be around for at least another decade Looks like paf want to keep them current and like T-37 Plan to upgrade some of the mirages to all digital cockpit and avionics - guessing based on the news from one of the vendor and there are multiple vendor competing

first mirages Sqn will start Converting to jf Plus if any other platform in play ~ 2024/5 time

Again guessing based on information available open sources

Hi is it possible to replace engines also in these aircrafts something more powerful then the present engine specially from Chinese or Russian help as I’m sure European or USA will be more costlier engines might not be suitable
Beside upgrading their cockpit etc
Thank you

 

[Deltadart]

Hi is it possible to replace engines also in these aircrafts something more powerful then the present engine specially from Chinese or Russian help as I’m sure European or USA will be more costlier engines might not be suitable
Beside upgrading their cockpit etc
Thank you

Please read the previous messages on this thread and you will have answers to all the possible scenarios regarding the mirages.

 

[Blacklight]

Some members might be interested in this info. Apologies if already posted here.
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The Egyptian pilots were introduced to Mirage-III/5 fighters in the beginning of the seventies when about 20 Egyptian pilots traveled to Libya to fly its Mirage fighters as part of Libyan support program in which Libya offered its fighters to help the EAF in its war with Israel. Egyptian pilots flew Libyan Mirage fighters during the war and they were pleased for its high performance.

In 1972 Saudi Arabia issued an order for 32 Mirage 5SDE tactical fighters and 6 Mirage 5SDD two seat conversion trainer. These aircrafts were purchased by the Saudis on behalf of Egypt. Their deliveries began in 1974. While still in France all wore markings of the Royal Saudi Air Force, but they never reached Saudi Arabia.

Instead, in 1974 all were delivered to Egypt, where the first batch entered service with the No.69 Squadron. Together with some original Libyan examples of Mirage 5DE and Mirage 5Ds, these took part in the October War, 1973, and suffered some losses.

Subsequently, Saudis financed additional deals during the '70s. Purchased 14 Mirage 5SDE in December 1975. And eight 5SDE and six recce Mirage 5SDR in December 1977.

The Mirage 5 was the first western fighter ordered by Egypt since the Vampire and Meteor in 1950. Egypt went in a large Mirage 5 purchasing program in which she purchased more than 54 Mirage-5SDE's, 6 Mirage 5SDD's and 6 Mirage-5SDR's. The French Dassault Aviation delivered 66 combat aircraft between 1974 and 1980.

http://www.easternorbat.com/html/dassault_mirage_5_eng.html

 

[khanasifm]

I am just curious the uae mirage 5 were stored and I think never. Sold perhaps there was not much left to be sold because paf never tried to get those air at least it’s not know.

 

[Armchair]

I am just curious the uae mirage 5 were stored and I think never. Sold perhaps there was not much left to be sold because paf never tried to get those air at least it’s not know.

I heard that they gifted them to Pakistan at some point. Perhaps used for spares.

 

[mshan44]

 

[Blacklight]

I heard that they gifted them to Pakistan at some point. Perhaps used for spares.

That is exactly what I heard. Maybe @HRK can confirm?

 

[HRK]

That is exactly what I heard. Maybe @HRK can confirm?

I have no idea ....

but would not be surprised if it's true due to obsession PAF have for Mirage-III and V

 

[ali_raza]

I am just curious the uae mirage 5 were stored and I think never. Sold perhaps there was not much left to be sold because paf never tried to get those air at least it’s not know.

all were gifted to pakistan

 

[Blacklight]

all were gifted to pakistan

I know a little bit about their history, how the first pilot in the world to fly an F16 with a prosthetic leg, was one of those who under secondment to UAEAF, took delivery in France and flew them to the UAE, and how majority of their pilots were Pakistani etc.

Their Mirages were MRO'd at PAC, and the French showed their auqat by delaying parts, but once the UAE got their M-2000's we got the Mirage V's. But for the life of me cant find the article.

I have no idea ....

but would not be surprised if it's true due to obsession PAF have for Mirage-III and V

For aviation fans, a book on PAF Mirages would make for a great reading!

 

[ali_raza]

I know a little bit about their history, how the first pilot in the world to fly an F16 with a prosthetic leg, was one of those who under secondment to UAEAF, took delivery in France and flew them to the UAE, and how majority of their pilots were Pakistani etc.

Their Mirages were MRO'd at PAC, and the French showed their auqat by delaying parts, but once the UAE got their M-2000's we got the Mirage V's. But for the life of me cant find the article.



For aviation fans, a book on PAF Mirages would make for a great reading!

u r right about mirage overhauling in pakistan.
uae af was soo friendly to us
i feel sad how we messed up our relationships with them

 

[denel]

@denel will second what I will say, the whole purpose of H2/4 is that it is highly resistance to being jammed by the enemy! That is the reason why it is operated this way.

Correction.... you can do it one aircraft carrying both units. In this case, it was one carrier and one specialist doing the work.

Which part of South Africa are you in at the moment?
Are you are have a shut down enforced?

Back now. it was a nightmare and finally off cycle now for next several weeks.

 

[denel]

Personally I think Pakistan missed out on Super Etendard

These were specific for their Navy and Argentinians used them for that purpose. But other than that, there was no real positive contribution that it would be able to assist with.