Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[mingle]

Dear I don't want to act as pessimistic but I am not much hopeful if situation does not become stable in maximum one month then globally we are heading for a Recession, in simplest way I will try to explain the current situation as

- Currently demand specially in consumer segment is falling

- It is not just because of temporary layoff due to pandemic, but even after pandemic common pattern of demand will not remain same as it was earlier and general consumer, business and governments would increase their expenditure related to health as current pandemic has exposed heath sector of every country.

- Though all the business related to health would see growth but the issue is Health is a highly technical sector and it would not be able to accomodate general workers.

- Another sector which may see positive trend would be ICT again a very technical sector with comparatively limited job opportunities for small segment of job market, so in both cases unemployment rate would be high

- At Government level when expenses would increase with decrease income [both Tax and non-tax based] Governments all over the world will be forced to Reallocate the Resources by cutting expenses from other sectors.

- Due to the decrease in demand in many sectors confidence of investors in those sectors would be shaken, they too would face a situation where they might have to take the decision of extreme cost cutting or to disinvest in both cases it will affect job market and income of general consumer.

- Now here recall the Trade war which may increase after pandemic b/w the countries to safeguard their domestic economy and to create job opportunities in domestic market

- Decrease in Demand and Trade wars may force business to reduce prices to increase the demand which may trigger Deflation

- Low Oil prices is also another factor which this time if not handle properly would affect negatively as it will effect Renewable Energy and Shale Oil and Gas Industries, on the other hand it will decrease the revenue of oil producing countries specially in Middle East where foreign labour from many countries are employed.

- Decrease of income due to low oil price and increase of expenses due to multiple war in Middle East would negatively affect both eastern and western countries as Middle east is a big consumer market for the western goods and services and it is a valuable source of Foreign Remittance of many developing Asian countries.

So in short due to the factors stated below:

- Reallocation of Resources
- Decrease of Demand [due to many factors]
- High Unemployment Rate and
- Deflation

Global Recession will be Triggered If somehow we fail to control the unemployment or maintain [ideally increase] the demand Globally.

Don't be pessimistic I live Canada I know what going on ground west can't shut down for ever things will eventually pick up not 100% but 90 % in a month Trump was forcing to reopen at Easter but increase it to May we don't have any lockdown here essential services are running yes private businesses are close but after Easter we will get calirity like Pak Govt is easing in steps same in west things will ease up after Easter schools given date May6 as things will heat up the spread will decrease its a flue and as summer comes flue goes away like any flue there is no cure except staying home and keep taking Advil or in Pak pannadol or Paracetamol things will back to normal but few precautionary steps will remain like Distance cleaning ur hands. Pak can pull out 8 billion package it can pull out some money for PAF too I assure U this time deal will happen little room to play politics since US needs business.
All these stories are assumptions based nothing more all these layoffs are temporary like Air Canada laid off 4500 of her staff now after Covid over they need this staff back to run the operation again till recall these staff will take EI employment insurance for month or two.

 

[Armchair]

Trying to read in between the lines of @airomerix I think it seems a large number of Mirages will be upgraded as such an extensive upgrade for a few only would not make sense.

The only point not left clear is if the RD-93 will be integrated ala Cheetah. If so, it would be incredible as the logistics would be simplified and performance significantly enhanced, particularly range.

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

Trying to read in between the lines of @airomerix I think it seems a large number of Mirages will be upgraded as such an extensive upgrade for a few only would not make sense.

The only point not left clear is if the RD-93 will be integrated ala Cheetah. If so, it would be incredible as the logistics would be simplified and performance significantly enhanced, particularly range.

Didn't the South Africans run into center of gravity related problems with the RD-93? Maybe a further development of the 09K-50 combined with inclusion of composite materials in remanufactured components to reduce weight etc. would be a more viable solution?

 

[Armchair]

Didn't the South Africans run into center of gravity related problems with the RD-93? Maybe a further development of the 09K-50 combined with inclusion of composite materials in remanufactured components to reduce weight etc. would be a more viable solution?

I think they figured out how to handle the CoG issues. @denel explained that he was flabbergasted when PAF didn't go for the RD-93 upgrade.

The long-nosed Cheetah's did have a CoG problem, but perhaps due to the elongated heavy nose.

Later, they added fixed canards to counter this, which also had the benefit of lowering the takeoff and landing speeds.

 

[araz]

You have to rewire whole Mirage, cockpit has not enough space to install multiple modern MFDs, and how long we are expected to use our Mirages, 2025 or 2030, any idea???, isn't better that we will replace our Mirages with better deep strike jets like JH-7A or J-16 or Su-34

JH7A. Not being manufactured anymore tested by PAF and found lacking story closed.
J16. Built under licence from USSR. OEM will not permit China to export it. Dont know whether a bit of royalty might change that but likely not.
SU34. Unlikely for many reasons. Most cogent being PAF would want a multirole platform. Secondly PAF wants an AESA radar and ability to integrate weapons of its choice. A big NO from the Red bear.
A

 

[LKJ86]

Built under licence from USSR.

Just for Su-27SK/J-11A.

 

[araz]

Trying to read in between the lines of @airomerix I think it seems a large number of Mirages will be upgraded as such an extensive upgrade for a few only would not make sense.

The only point not left clear is if the RD-93 will be integrated ala Cheetah. If so, it would be incredible as the logistics would be simplified and performance significantly enhanced, particularly range.

Doubt it. Re engining an old platform is not without its problems. PAF is not going to add another 2.5 million on to a platform for limited use. Plus we do not have enough engines to hand for the switch and if we did it would be for JFT. We have seen no new orders from PAF so where will the engines come from?
However what this points to is PAF battening down to 3 platforms to use till Azm comes on line and there will be no intermediate buy .

A

Just for Su-27SK/J-11A.

However you would agree that J16 would not be exported by China.
A

 

[LKJ86]

However you would agree that J16 would not be exported by China.
A

But it also doesn't mean that J-16 is built under licence.

 

[MastanKhan]

JH7A. Not being manufactured anymore tested by PAF and found lacking story closed.
J16. Built under licence from USSR. OEM will not permit China to export it. Dont know whether a bit of royalty might change that but likely not.
SU34. Unlikely for many reasons. Most cogent being PAF would want a multirole platform. Secondly PAF wants an AESA radar and ability to integrate weapons of its choice. A big NO from the Red bear.
A

Hi,

This man is so funny in his thought and writing---" it is not being manufactured ".

So---okay---Mirage 3 / 5 are not being manufactured---the saab aircraft for Paf are not being manufactured---.

B-52's B-1 bombers B-2 bombers are not being manufactured either---.

But the country using them has re-furbished the B52's and B-1 for further use for multiple decades to come---.

And the best of all---Quinine not being manufactured in all of the western world---.

 

[nomi007]

Why PAF did not buy the Mirage F-1 from Jordanians

Draken International receives first former Royal Jordanian Air Force Mirage F1.

 

[mingle]

Why PAF did not buy the Mirage F-1 from Jordanians

Draken International receives first former Royal Jordanian Air Force Mirage F1.

Jordan restructure theior Armed forces they have C130, C235, AH1F, F16s for sale didn't know mirage F1.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

If PAF intends to modify the Mirage fleet and keep it flying beyond 2025 it would be worth while if they can explore the Cheetah D modifications. They are much better than our current variants.

Or maybe explore some KFIR variants through a third party!!

 

[PakFactor]

If PAF intends to modify the Mirage fleet and keep it flying beyond 2025 it would be worth while if they can explore the Cheetah D modifications. They are much better than our current variants.

Or maybe explore some KFIR variants through a third party!!

This Mirage looks like it took steroids or something.

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

Later, they added fixed canards to counter this, which also had the benefit of lowering the takeoff and landing speeds.

Also makes the aircraft unstable in flight. Couple that with a fly-by-wire system, drooping leading-edge, dog tooth, a higher-rated engine and a retractable IFR probe and you've got yourself a more maneuverable aircraft. Want to up it even more? Re-manufacture certain parts of the airframe with lighter materials and did what the Israelis did to increase internal fuel capacity and you've got a longer range. Let's go even further, upgrade remaining worthy airframes to ROSE and then further that with the upgrades @airomerix mentioned and now it's an infinitely more advanced aircraft. Want more? reinforce the wings and hard points to the chin or wing roots and you've got a bigger payload capacity. Theoretically, the biggest problem would be the age of the airframes, irl the biggest problem is money, which if we had, we wouldn't even have been talking upgrading older aircraft.

 

[Khanivore]