Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[ziaulislam]

we are paying taxes , probably one of the highest indirect taxes paid by common Pakistanis, but Politicians Bureaucrats and Generals all using these taxis for their personal benefits and luxurious life


because 50 year old Mirage can carry Raad Cruise Missile, thats why we still spending on Mirages, as JF-17 cant fire Raad

Rather you dont have 150 ground attack aircraft replacement yet..its not about raad only...raad was built for mirage way back before thunder program..when mirages go a new weapon will be built for thunders (that is if its not built already)

 

[Umar Nazir]

That situation arises when the overwhelming majority of the people are not too cooperative in paying their income taxes. Whatever figure of percentage that constitutes is actually bolstered by the salaried class, who have no choice but to have their income: taxed at the source by their employers.

Around 1% of the self employed and the business owners pay their income taxes.

Bhotto Nationalize policy responsible for all that mess. Direct taxes can only increase if industry flourish. decade passed, but we still feel hesitation for the privatization of steel mill and PIA

 

[Path-Finder]

because 50 year old Mirage can carry Raad Cruise Missile, thats why we still spending on Mirages, as JF-17 cant fire Raad

Mirage is here to stay. The end.

Rather you dont have 150 ground attack aircraft replacement yet..its not about raad only...raad was built for mirage way back before thunder program..when mirages go a new weapon will be built for thunders (that is if its not built already)

There is nothing better than mirage when it comes to ground strike and carrying precision munition. Unfortunately some people dont understand this little fact.

 

[ziaulislam]

Mirage is here to stay. The end.


There is nothing better than mirage when it comes to ground strike and carrying precision munition. Unfortunately some people dont understand this little fact.

Jf17 might be as good but we dont have the numbers yet...jf17 key role in upcoming conflict will be to escort mirages

Once the thunder hit 250 mark and f16 hit the 100 mark than we can talk about retiring mirages

Bhotto Nationalize policy responsible for all that mess. Direct taxes can only increase if industry flourish. decade passed, but we still feel hesitation for the privatization of steel mill and PIA

Its national thinking policy too
Pakistan has highest corporate tax in the world..regional average is 20%, in india its 15&20%...
In pakistan its between 30&40% this too has dropped recently..

 

[araz]

we are paying taxes , probably one of the highest indirect taxes paid by common Pakistanis, but Politicians Bureaucrats and Generals all using these taxis for their personal benefits and luxurious life


because 50 year old Mirage can carry Raad Cruise Missile, thats why we still spending on Mirages, as JF-17 cant fire Raad

Come to UK Sunny Jim. I pay 40% tax plus 13.5% national insurance. That is before my salary comes into my hand. Then there is the additional 20%VAT which we pay everytime we buy anything.So compared to me you are in a Tax Heaven.
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[Basel]

Mirages are here to stay. The decision makers understand all cost and benefit issues. Arguments here don't affect or change strategic decisions of a nation.

Why M2Ks were not bought during 90s?? That decision is still haunting Pakistan and PAF, if M2Ks had been inducted during 90s then PAF would have been able to retire old M-3/5s quickly as JFT came available in numbers.

 

[Path-Finder]

Jf17 might be as good but we dont have the numbers yet...jf17 key role in upcoming conflict will be to escort mirages

Once the thunder hit 250 mark and f16 hit the 100 mark than we can talk about retiring mirages

The mirage has a complete rebuilding infrastructure in tandem with the expertise obtained from years of tinkering with it. Plus more mirage are being sourced. That is all because this aircraft can deliver the goods and keep pace with any operational conditions. We had doubts and indians used to make mockery of our mirages but they have the certain something about them especially after February.

Come to UK Sunny Jim. I pay 40% tax plus 13.5% national insurance. That is before my salary comes into my hand. Then there is the additional 20%VAT which we pay everytime we buy anything.So compared to me you are in a Tax Heaven.
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You forgot to add that if you dont pay her majesty tax and revenue services then its straight to jail. No chacha, taya or phuppa etc cant get you off the hook.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Why M2Ks were not bought during 90s?? That decision is still haunting Pakistan and PAF, if M2Ks had been inducted during 90s then PAF would have been able to retire old M-3/5s quickly as JFT came available in numbers.

Politics.

 

[araz]

Politics.

Could you elaborate? Are you talking about the 10 million per plane Mr 10% wanted adding on?
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[denel]

Even Bangladesh (which dont faces any major threat) looking for 4+ generation fighter , But PAF still busy in spending resources and energy in 3rd generation Mirages

correct .... these airframes are beyond their limits; we have already spoken many times over about need to at least get zero airframes and rebuild.

The mirage has a complete rebuilding infrastructure in tandem with the expertise obtained from years of tinkering with it. Plus more mirage are being sourced. That is all because this aircraft can deliver the goods and keep pace with any operational conditions. We had doubts and indians used to make mockery of our mirages but they have the certain something about them especially after February.


You forgot to add that if you dont pay her majesty tax and revenue services then its straight to jail. No chacha, taya or phuppa etc cant get you off the hook.

Friend as we discussed before; rebuilding is only so much; these airframes are barely making it; new airframes must be brought it vs trying to cobble up from parts. A firm decision needs to be made and it seems it has - M3/5 are staying and if they are what is the game plan to make their airframes from zero hours; already they have gotten new wings from altas so why not airframes?

 

[GriffinsRule]

correct .... these airframes are beyond their limits; we have already spoken many times over about need to at least get zero airframes and rebuild.


Friend as we discussed before; rebuilding is only so much; these airframes are barely making it; new airframes must be brought it vs trying to cobble up from parts. A firm decision needs to be made and it seems it has - M3/5 are staying and if they are what is the game plan to make their airframes from zero hours; already they have gotten new wings from altas so why not airframes?

Because PAF does not want to fly 3rd gen aircraft past the next decade, and definitely not for next 40 years.

 

[denel]

Because PAF does not want to fly 3rd gen aircraft past the next decade, and definitely not for next 40 years.

Let us take a bet

 

[khanasifm]

Because PAF does not want to fly 3rd gen aircraft past the next decade, and definitely not for next 40 years.

Paf original plan was to replace all f-7, a-5 and mirages by 201x but not happening due to $$ constraint , there is difference what you wish and what you get

Sabers were grounded in 80s when wing fell off and casualties but had no choice but to fly saber till 1980 last sqn in south

 

[GriffinsRule]

Let us take a bet

No thanks, I don't care for betting. But if you think PAF or PAC will invest in zero-timing Mirage airframes outside of the overhauls they already do, you are going to be mistaken.
If this didn't happen 20 years ago, when it really wouldv'e made a difference, its not going to happen now.

 

[araz]

No thanks, I don't care for betting. But if you think PAF or PAC will invest in zero-timing Mirage airframes outside of the overhauls they already do, you are going to be mistaken.
If this didn't happen 20 years ago, when it really wouldv'e made a difference, its not going to happen now.

Nobody denies that. To do this for a system which will with appropriate care last till the 30s needs cash outlay but the thing we all contend is whether there is any benefit to doing this.
The way I have looked at it is PAF wants a high speed cheap and potentially expendable platform that is capable of delivering a SOW to its target and return to base without any major hassles. Now this can be done with the current platform has been demonstrated on 27/02. The question asked is whether there is any benefit to upgrading the platform and whether the survivability of the platform increases with the relevant upgrades. I think the RD series were not available in the 90s when PAF might have looked at the upgrade and now it considers the relevant upgrade cost prohibitive.
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