Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Jammer]

No need to be sarcastic , bro.

Not being sarcastic at all, in fact, I think you know exactly what I mean. Like I said before, nice try! And I am not your bro.

 

[Deltadart]

If you say so, not a bro. ☺ Peace!

 

[denel]

Like @denel said that SA has all the infrastructure intact, so why go to anybody else for upgrading/building new (mirages/cheetahs/shaheens) whatever you want to call it?
PAF is not going to do anything anyway so let's end any further discussions on this topic.

Well simple, we moved to Gripens; the rest recently sold of to South American countries; but infrastructure remains for service level agreements.
Too bad if PAF does not want to continue on. This is the only avenue left if you want a credible and stable Mirage force for next 20yrs. Cobbling up parts etc wont get you any where; there is a point of no return.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Well simple, we moved to Gripens; the rest recently sold of to South American countries; but infrastructure remains for service level agreements.
Too bad if PAF does not want to continue on. This is the only avenue left if you want a credible and stable Mirage force for next 20yrs. Cobbling up parts etc wont get you any where; there is a point of no return.

They would since price tag of new fighters is going to go higher,already flyaway cost is hanging at 60 million for monkey models.

 

[Deltadart]

Well simple, we moved to Gripens; the rest recently sold of to South American countries; but infrastructure remains for service level agreements.
Too bad if PAF does not want to continue on. This is the only avenue left if you want a credible and stable Mirage force for next 20yrs. Cobbling up parts etc wont get you any where; there is a point of no return.

Denel, PAF is like a boy who keeps dreaming about , but can't have the pretty girl (f16s) in the mansion, but keeps ignoring the practical, though not, the prettiest girl (mirages) living next door.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Why!. Cheetah airframes are available; done and tested. Read on Cheetah.

Denel,
Can you explain why the South Africans themselves are not using these airframes and instead went and bought the Grippen?

 

[Jammer]

Denel, PAF is like a boy who keeps dreaming about , but can't have the pretty girl (f16s) in the mansion, but keeps ignoring the practical, though not, the prettiest girl (mirages) living next door.

Wow what astute analysis! We are all smarter after reading these pearls of wisdom. You guys have plenty of work to do figuring out your outdated Bisons. Give it a rest.

 

[Signalian]

Wow what astute analysis! We are all smarter after reading these pearls of wisdom. You guys have plenty of work to do figuring out your outdated Bisons. Give it a rest.

Its an Indian agenda to challenge Pakistan to a weapon acquisition race knowing that Pakistan is economically not that strong compared to India. Indian members as well as members with Indian background ,are promoting the same think pattern on PDF. They have been trying their best to rate 3rd Gen aircrafts such as Mirage-III/V as obsolete, F-7 P/PG as tooth less, JF-17 as a turkey shoot for IAF and F-16 as a mere fantasy for PAF - a Unicorn. Indians are never satisfied with their own weapon acquisition, a concrete proof is shifting their complete attention towards Rafale, as SU-30 failed to make its mark. One missile - Aim120 - has created ripples in IAF's BVR combat tactics and strategy.

In some cases, such mentality has sunk into Pakistani members also, who do not understand that Mirage-III/V are serving in PAF for a purpose - had they been obsolete, 1-2 would have fallen due to "technical failure" into IOK on 27th Feb 2019 instead of returning safe and sound to PAF airbase.

 

[Max Pain]

Not much effort; remember we already had experience with mod'd original M3 and F1 for HMS, Kukris as well as other integration points; 20 yrs back did TEWA on Cheetah platform nothing complex.


Absolutely, this is why a new upgrade is a necessity to create a standardised modern M3/5. There is nothing better on the plate right now.

I absolutely agree with you, and I commend the fact that youve been pushing this idea for quite a while now.
I cant see why cant follow the path of IAI Kfir.

With the current Kfir Block 60 that the FAC operates featuring a 'zero-timed' airframe, system, sensor, avionics (comparable with the F-16 Block 52), and weapon enhancements, the Kfir NG adds a more powerful General Electric (GE) F414 engine (as already powers the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Saab Gripen E/F) in place of the outdated GE J79; an enhanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar; improvements to the datalinks; and upgraded avionics. Another feature that is still in development is a redesigned aft-fuselage that will increase the aircraft fuel capacity. According to Melamed, this should double the Kfir's endurance.

https://www.janes.com/article/89345...-return-sri-lanka-and-ecuador-jets-to-service

 

[Signalian]

I absolutely agree with you, and I commend the fact that youve been pushing this idea for quite a while now.
I cant see why cant follow the path of IAI Kfir.

ROSE upgrade is considered enough for Mirage III/V.

Now focus is on JF-17 and its upgrades.

 

[Max Pain]

ROSE upgrade is considered enough for Mirage III/V.

Now focus is on JF-17 and its upgrades.

depends.
will block 3 be the worthy replacement of Mirage's role or not.

if it is then yes, we should not invest in mirage.
but so far it doesn't appear that Mirage's role has been in any way replaced by JF-17.

 

[Signalian]

depends.
will block 3 be the worthy replacement of Mirage's role or not.

if it is then yes, we should not invest in mirage.
but so far it doesn't appear that Mirage's role has been in any way replaced by JF-17.

Mirage has been already invested in heavily, if there is any news that PAF is further upgrading combat capabilities of Mirages, then do share.

JF-17 was envisioned as replacement for Mirage from the very start.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Mirage has been already invested in heavily, if there is any news that PAF is further upgrading combat capabilities of Mirages, then do share.

JF-17 was envisioned as replacement for Mirage from the very start.

Lets rephrase that to a new strike platform is a necessity. PAF is extremely happy with the JF-17 in the air combat role , the F-16 provides a good mix as well. They want a replacement for the Mirages as the deep strike platform.

Since no M2Ks are available, and besides the J-10 there is nothing we can afford; the only option is to prolong the life of the mirages we have by total overhaul and replacement of key fuselage sections as needed.

Said by Oscar.

 

[Max Pain]

Mirage has been already invested in heavily, if there is any news that PAF is further upgrading combat capabilities of Mirages, then do share.

JF-17 was envisioned as replacement for Mirage from the very start.

There's no news at all in this regard. it was mere discussion/proposal by @denel which I agree with from what I've gathered from this forum so far that JF-17 is yet to replace the "role" of mirage.

If it actually is doing just that then yes it can very well replace mirage and all the attention should be given to JF-17.

 

[ziaulislam]

Its an Indian agenda to challenge Pakistan to a weapon acquisition race knowing that Pakistan is economically not that strong compared to India. Indian members as well as members with Indian background ,are promoting the same think pattern on PDF. They have been trying their best to rate 3rd Gen aircrafts such as Mirage-III/V as obsolete, F-7 P/PG as tooth less, JF-17 as a turkey shoot for IAF and F-16 as a mere fantasy for PAF - a Unicorn. Indians are never satisfied with their own weapon acquisition, a concrete proof is shifting their complete attention towards Rafale, as SU-30 failed to make its mark. One missile - Aim120 - has created ripples in IAF's BVR combat tactics and strategy.

In some cases, such mentality has sunk into Pakistani members also, who do not understand that Mirage-III/V are serving in PAF for a purpose - had they been obsolete, 1-2 would have fallen due to "technical failure" into IOK on 27th Feb 2019 instead of returning safe and sound to PAF airbase.

Mirages are excellent for their role and will serve well into 2030
They are great assest for our nuclear arm and will carry the raad probably till both are retired
F7s though with no Bvr i am not sure what to make lf them