Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Sine Nomine]

?? clarify. they are not embarking on a super cheetah venture.

Using same FBW and electronics but new engine and airframe.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Using same FBW and electronics but new engine and airframe.

Mirages are not FBW

 

[Sine Nomine]

Mirages are not FBW

Atleast they would have some Basic system in place though FBW came in Mirage 3NG.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Atleast they would have some Basic system in place though FBW came in Mirage 3NG.

So you want to design a new aircraft basically. New airframe, engines, FBW ... might as well replace outdated avionics from 15 years ago to latest ones going in Thunder for commonality

 

[Sine Nomine]

So you want to design a new aircraft basically. New airframe, engines, FBW ... might as well replace outdated avionics from 15 years ago to latest ones going in Thunder for commonality

Why not go for JFT-XL like F-16 XL.Having around 80% part sharing with JFT.

outdated avionics

If i am not wrong ROSE strike package is still better then or on par with JFT's.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Possibly for spares as paf still need to support 6 mirage squadrons of various roles fir some time

Pakistan is really extracting last of all the juice from these mirages

Mist of egyptian mirages are of mirage 5 varient

To clarify the EAF mirages are called mirage 5 but most of them are mirage 3e varient. This varient is used by PAF

I think paf should extract maximum value from these mirages in rose 1,2 and 3 format till 5 th gen fighter is inducted and then whynot

 

[GriffinsRule]

To clarify the EAF mirages are called mirage 5 but most of them are mirage 3e varient. This varient is used by PAF

I think paf should extract maximum value from these mirages in rose 1,2 and 3 format till 5 th gen fighter is inducted and then whynot

Depends on the condition of the aircraft. Unlike the other ex-Arab fighters we got that saw little to no use, Egyptians have been flying theirs for decades.
Actually I wonder if Egypt had been sending their aircraft to France for major overhauls or if they have some capability in house as well.

 

[denel]

Why not go for JFT-XL like F-16 XL.Having around 80% part sharing with JFT.


If i am not wrong ROSE strike package is still better then or on par with JFT's.

Friend, you are coming to the party very late.

As we have spoken and narrated; the time to have transitioned all over into a new configuration/aircraft aka Cheetah is long over 18yrs back. M3/5 's era is long gone and needs to be put to a graveyard otherwise it is the pilots who will continue to pay the price for the lack of foresight by the govt/planners.

Depends on the condition of the aircraft. Unlike the other ex-Arab fighters we got that saw little to no use, Egyptians have been flying theirs for decades.
Actually I wonder if Egypt had been sending their aircraft to France for major overhauls or if they have some capability in house as well.

Egypt's capabilities in house are very limited friend.

To clarify the EAF mirages are called mirage 5 but most of them are mirage 3e varient. This varient is used by PAF

I think paf should extract maximum value from these mirages in rose 1,2 and 3 format till 5 th gen fighter is inducted and then whynot

You cannot extract value from a complete hodge podge mixtures of M3/5 variants. It is long obsolete.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Depends on the condition of the aircraft. Unlike the other ex-Arab fighters we got that saw little to no use, Egyptians have been flying theirs for decades.
Actually I wonder if Egypt had been sending their aircraft to France for major overhauls or if they have some capability in house as well.

They have some capabilities in house but not where PAC is. I highly doubted that any of there examples will be Inducted to PAF . May be few in good condition could be available to fill in few numbers but most of them will be reduced to spares

PAF operates 5 full mirage squadrons plus a CCS attachment. A pretty big number to support and operate

Friend, you are coming to the party very late.

As we have spoken and narrated; the time to have transitioned all over into a new configuration/aircraft aka Cheetah is long over 18yrs back. M3/5 's era is long gone and needs to be put to a graveyard otherwise it is the pilots who will continue to pay the price for the lack of foresight by the govt/planners.


Egypt's capabilities in house are very limited friend.


You cannot extract value from a complete hodge podge mixtures of M3/5 variants. It is long obsolete.

Mirage era in paf is coming to an end but a complete end is still 5 years away for sure

I believe mirage 5 rise 2/3 will continue for some time

 

[khanasifm]

https://www.scramble.nl/orbats/egypt

236 FGA Brigade

69sq Mirage 5SDE
Mirage 5SDD
Mirage 5SDR


73sq Mirage 5SDE
Mirage 5SDD

252 Tactical Fighter Wing

71sq Mirage 5SDE
Mirage 5SDR
Mirage 5SDD

 

[syed_yusuf]

https://www.scramble.nl/orbats/egypt

236 FGA Brigade

69sq Mirage 5SDE
Mirage 5SDD
Mirage 5SDR


73sq Mirage 5SDE
Mirage 5SDD

252 Tactical Fighter Wing

71sq Mirage 5SDE
Mirage 5SDR
Mirage 5SDD

Mirage 5 SDE is basically a mirage 3E

 

[syed_yusuf]

Any update on mirage 5 horus?

 

[khanasifm]

Rose 1 and 2

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Mirages are certainly setup well with new Digital Tools and Newer weapons, plus the Advance radars and Awacs now also give more awareness to the pilots

Would have been nice had we integrated Helmet based targeting available for Mirage but I would imagine CPU / Computer is a bit older in these planes

 

[mingle]

According to Usman shabir PDF all our mirages currently flying are upgarded the old frame r retired and serves as gate keeper.