BREAKING: PAF base Mianwali under attack, suicide bombers and heavy weapons in use

[CallSignMaverick]

Lund bhai bhai. Afghans are nobody's brothers. In Mumbai they were terrorising the business community and even locals until Dawood cleaned them up. Wherever they go, they try to do dadagiri.

Whoa, I want to read about it more, damn.

 

[RescueRanger]

Ajeeb.

Sir, this is their new tactic. This is the third time they have carried out what is known as a "deliberate", its their attempt at testing readiness with agile and mobile fire team comprising of one or more fireteams. A tactic that was first witnessed by the USMC in Afghanistan:

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/2005/MR1717.pdf

Lund bhai bhai.

 

[Oracle]

is it confirmed How many and which aircraft were destroyed. ?

 

[TheSolution]

is it confirmed How many and which aircraft were destroyed. ?

3 J-7s which were retired and a fuel tank

 

[PanzerKiel]

Star Sapphire on its way....

 

[Sayfullah]

All this military propaganda will not improve the image of corrupt generals. Every true Muslim who's been observant of Taliban doctrine knows the Taliban are true Muslims with many pious people among them. they CANNOT support the killing of Muslims who are NOT allied with the West or oppose Shariah law. Even hypocrites (secularists) call themselves Muslims.

Taliban have fought and defeated NATO and no doubt it was Jihad to do so as they were fighting to defend their land from a literal invasion from the west.
But TTP is Khawarij.
TTP makes blanket takfir on the military of Pakistan on what bases?
For being allies of the west or supporting west? You still can’t BLANKET TAKFIR everyone in Pakistan army for that and takfir should be something scholars should do not just any laymen on social media.
A pious Muslim could be joining Pakistan army with the intention of waging Jihad against mushrik Indians in defence of their Kashmiri Muslim brothers. The intention of that soldier is what matters and scholars agree with this view.
TTP blowing up public areas in Pakistan killing many innocent Muslims in the process.
TTP creates more fitna in the name of Shariah instead of actually implementing Shariah.
Khawarij TTP criticize the generals of Pakistan army but is TTP leadership any different? They fill their pockets with dollars while brainwashing innocent kids to go kill fellow Muslims.
Even Taliban have not fully implemented Shariah in Afghanistan. They have not implemented Jizya. They have not got rid of the riba based system yet. They have not implemented Hudud. They fund the building and reconstruction of temples and other places of shirk. They shake hands and meet tyrants in Iran and China. They stop Uyghur and Baloch mujahideen from attacking the occupational oppressor countries. Their current government is full of nepotism and internal divide. They have agreements with usa and west to not allow their territory to be used for Jihad internationally. Foreign mujahideen have even been killed by them or while under their protection.
How is current Taliban any more Islamic than Pakistan?
Unlike Pakistan, Taliban appealed to Muslims all over the world and said they’re doing Jihad Fi Sabilillah and want to implement Shariah. For this mujahideen from all over the world came to help them in their struggle.
Instead what has been the outcome?
Taliban silent of secular communist atheist Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
Taliban silent on the plight of Sunnis in Iran.
Taliban silent on the plight of Muslims in East Turkistan.
Taliban ready to send soldiers to train in india.
But suddenly Taliban remember Jihad and their TTP brothers when it comes to Pakistan?
Priorities! Apparently Pakistan is the most oppressive and anti Muslim neighbour of Taliban right that they focus supporting TTP to fight “jihad” in Pakistan.

Even when Jihad becomes mandatory in Pakistan, it has to be done in a way that doesn’t create more fitna and lead to more evil than the current state. The goal is not anarchy. Anarchists shouldn’t use Jihad to hide their agenda.

 

[Areesh]

Lund bhai bhai. Afghans are nobody's brothers. In Mumbai they were terrorising the business community and even locals until Dawood cleaned them up. Wherever they go, they try to do dadagiri.

Haramzadgi to koot koot k bhari hai in main

Agar haramzadai honai ka koi Olympic hota to yeh gold, silver bronze sub jeet jatai

 

[White privilege]

Star Sapphire on its way....


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The only way this could be relevant is if boys are going in for payback, and need the "eye in the sky"....

 

[Areesh]

Taliban have fought and defeated NATO and no doubt it was Jihad to do so as they were fighting to defend their land from a literal invasion from the west.
But TTP is Khawarij.
TTP makes blanket takfir on the military of Pakistan on what bases?
For being allies of the west or supporting west? You still can’t BLANKET TAKFIR everyone in Pakistan army for that and takfir should be something scholars should do not just any laymen on social media.
A pious Muslim could be joining Pakistan army with the intention of waging Jihad against mushrik Indians in defence of their Kashmiri Muslim brothers. The intention of that soldier is what matters and scholars agree with this view.
TTP blowing up public areas in Pakistan killing many innocent Muslims in the process.
TTP creates more fitna in the name of Shariah instead of actually implementing Shariah.
Khawarij TTP criticize the generals of Pakistan army but is TTP leadership any different? They fill their pockets with dollars while brainwashing innocent kids to go kill fellow Muslims.
Even Taliban have not fully implemented Shariah in Afghanistan. They have not implemented Jizya. They have not got rid of the riba based system yet. They have not implemented Hudud. They fund the building and reconstruction of temples and other places of shirk. They shake hands and meet tyrants in Iran and China. They stop Uyghur and Baloch mujahideen from attacking the occupational oppressor countries. Their current government is full of nepotism and internal divide. They have agreements with usa and west to not allow their territory to be used for Jihad internationally. Foreign mujahideen have even been killed by them or while under their protection.
How is current Taliban any more Islamic than Pakistan?
Unlike Pakistan, Taliban appealed to Muslims all over the world and said they’re doing Jihad Fi Sabilillah and want to implement Shariah. For this mujahideen from all over the world came to help them in their struggle.
Instead what has been the outcome?
Taliban silent of secular communist atheist Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
Taliban silent on the plight of Sunnis in Iran.
Taliban silent on the plight of Muslims in East Turkistan.
Taliban ready to send soldiers to train in india.
But suddenly Taliban remember Jihad and their TTP brothers when it comes to Pakistan?
Priorities! Apparently Pakistan is the most oppressive and anti Muslim neighbour of Taliban right that they focus supporting TTP to fight “jihad” in Pakistan.

Even when Jihad becomes mandatory in Pakistan, it has to be done in a way that doesn’t create more fitna and lead to more evil than the current state. The goal is not anarchy. Anarchists shouldn’t use Jihad to hide their agenda.

The reason that Taliban don't let anyone to attack China or Iran or Tajikistan is because they don't have a claim on their territory

They let TTP to attack Pakistan because they don't consider kpk or Balochistan to be Pakistani territory

Their concept of jihad is not guided by Quran or Sunnah but it is guided by Pashtun Nationalism. They twist Islam as per requirements of Pashtun nationalism. They did the same in Afghanistan too. Used Islam to wage war against Afghan government and to capture country from them

They want to rule whole of Afghanistan but included only 2- 3 Tajiks and Uzbeks in their government as compared to dozens of Pashtun ministers even though Tajik, Uzbeks and Hazara form at least half of Afghanistan population if not majority

They are a fraud and us Pakistanis were fooled by our establishment that they are some pious warriors fighting for supremacy of Islam and Shariah. It might be because our establishment thought that Taliban are a lesser evil in the case of Afghanistan but it was an evil nonetheless

 

[manpk77]

Now those Indians will always show us that made in Chichawatani ladder whenever we tell them how was the tea. All because of those dhol lol sipahiyas. How could they have such a big intelligence failure.

 

[PakAlp]

I have to agree with your latter post, deport all Afghans. Those with children born here can be considered for naturalisation if they surrender their afghan nationality, those who are waiting for their visas to be processed for travel to western counties can stay provided the UNHCR and their new adopted countries provide assurances and the rest can return to Afghanistan.

Just making a point, why would afghans surrender their Afghanistan nationality when our rulers, be it generals, judges, politicians, beuracrats have dual nationals among them, parliament is full of dual nationals with their children and wealth abroad, our generals retire in foreign nations. Noone can explain why?

State has failed miserably in narrative building for the last 20 years. TTP was formed by tribes who declared Pakistan Kaafir for helping America hunt OBL. But if state pushed the narrative that OBL killed civilians in violation of Islamic rules of war, this would not be an issue.

Even this year the imbeciles in ISPR decided to declare cyber war on PTI, instead of trying to diffuse the situation, and now every Paksitani social media forum from PDF to Facebook is full of self loathing and demoralization.

Look the problem was alot deeper than Osama Binladen, our state openly gave Usa access to the airspace to bomb Afghanistan, gave them aid, security, they jointly kidnapped Pakistani citizens with the USA, allowed usa agents inside Pakistan. The people who suffered for 20 years now want revenge. Pakistan state had no leg to stand on when it came to narrative building because Pakistan literally became usa client state.

Imran Khan made some top decisions regarding stopping of drone attacks, and not cooperating with the usa to target militants, he mentioned that we end up loosing out on the narrative war. Today Pakistan exposed it self as usa client state.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

Taliban have fought and defeated NATO and no doubt it was Jihad to do so as they were fighting to defend their land from a literal invasion from the west.
But TTP is Khawarij.
TTP makes blanket takfir on the military of Pakistan on what bases?
For being allies of the west or supporting west? You still can’t BLANKET TAKFIR everyone in Pakistan army for that and takfir should be something scholars should do not just any laymen on social media.
A pious Muslim could be joining Pakistan army with the intention of waging Jihad against mushrik Indians in defence of their Kashmiri Muslim brothers. The intention of that soldier is what matters and scholars agree with this view.
TTP blowing up public areas in Pakistan killing many innocent Muslims in the process.
TTP creates more fitna in the name of Shariah instead of actually implementing Shariah.
Khawarij TTP criticize the generals of Pakistan army but is TTP leadership any different? They fill their pockets with dollars while brainwashing innocent kids to go kill fellow Muslims.
Even Taliban have not fully implemented Shariah in Afghanistan. They have not implemented Jizya. They have not got rid of the riba based system yet. They have not implemented Hudud. They fund the building and reconstruction of temples and other places of shirk. They shake hands and meet tyrants in Iran and China. They stop Uyghur and Baloch mujahideen from attacking the occupational oppressor countries. Their current government is full of nepotism and internal divide. They have agreements with usa and west to not allow their territory to be used for Jihad internationally. Foreign mujahideen have even been killed by them or while under their protection.
How is current Taliban any more Islamic than Pakistan?
Unlike Pakistan, Taliban appealed to Muslims all over the world and said they’re doing Jihad Fi Sabilillah and want to implement Shariah. For this mujahideen from all over the world came to help them in their struggle.
Instead what has been the outcome?
Taliban silent of secular communist atheist Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
Taliban silent on the plight of Sunnis in Iran.
Taliban silent on the plight of Muslims in East Turkistan.
Taliban ready to send soldiers to train in india.
But suddenly Taliban remember Jihad and their TTP brothers when it comes to Pakistan?
Priorities! Apparently Pakistan is the most oppressive and anti Muslim neighbour of Taliban right that they focus supporting TTP to fight “jihad” in Pakistan.

Even when Jihad becomes mandatory in Pakistan, it has to be done in a way that doesn’t create more fitna and lead to more evil than the current state. The goal is not anarchy. Anarchists shouldn’t use Jihad to hide their agenda.

Good post, but you missed a very important point. I never supported the TTP in ANY of my comments. I can never support a Khawaarij group and it seems the TTP fits that definition. I wasn't talking about the TTp. I was replying to a comment someone made trying to demonize the Taliban.

It's not haram to sign "agreements" or "trade and cooperate" with Kaafir governments. But it's haraam to share their ideology, which is what many Pakistani generals and politicians are doing, especially those in power right now. Asim Munir and his allies pursue anti-Muslim policies (oppression being foremost) and deposed a beloved leader. There's no Islamic justification for their actions, just like there's no such justification for the TTP.

Taliban can do all the things you listed in your comment and still be Shariah-compliant. Maslaha is one of the 11 sources of Shariah law that permits that. It's permissible to be pragmatic for the interest of Muslims. But don't forget that the pragmatism of a true Muslim leader is only temporary and driven by necessity.

It seems Pakistan expects Afghanistan to help it fight the TTP. On the other hand, Pakistan helped the U.S. against the Taliban by providing military bases and intel support. Over a million Afghans died as a result. Asim Munir and his comrades seem willing to repeat this folly, but Imran Khan categorically rejected any form of cooperation with America against the Taliban. So, why on earth should the Taliban feel obliged to help Pakistan? The Taliban knows that your current leadership in Pakistan is the same breed with the guys who helped America massacre their people. Don't expect any cooperation with the Taliban under such leadership.

I don't support a violent attempt to overthrow the illegitimate government imposed on the Pakistanis. This will only lead to anarchy. The job of removing Asim Munir is for the military and the civilian leadership in Islamabad. But mounting a non-violent and carefully-caliberated civilian pressure towards this outcome is okay by me. This was and still is the strategy pursued by Imran Khan and the PTI. It remains to be seen how this ends.

But remember one thing:

The anarchy in Pakistan is only about preventing the alliance of two powerful Muslim countries: Pakistan and Turkey. Pakistan has the nuclear deterrent Turkey needs to confront Western aggression in the Muslim world. Turkiye has many of the Weapons Pakistan needs to deal with India. They will completed each other. Such an alliance is the single most dangerous possibility for America, especially in the Middle East. Far more dangerous than China and Russia combined because these two super powers (China & Russia) have NO stomach for a war with America, especially a nuclear war. The Muslims on the other hand have such a stomach, and the West knows this. They'd rather plunge Pakistan into a civil war through their puppets in the Pakistani military that allow such an alliance (which Imran Khan and Erdogan were speeding towards).

India is not supporting any government from its perspective, its just supporting destabilising elements for Pakistan which is definitely acceptable

Well said. India would love to fuel conflict between Afghanistan and Paksitan. Both are Muslim countries and India has a strong enmity towards Muslims.

 

[TheSolution]

Good post, but you missed a very important point. I never supported the TTP in ANY of my comments. I can never support a Khawaarij group and it seems the TTP fits that definition. I wasn't talking about the TTp. I was replying to a comment someone made trying to demonize the Taliban.

It's not haram to sign "agreements" or "trade and cooperate" with Kaafir governments. But it's haraam to share their ideology, which is what many Pakistani generals and politicians are doing, especially those in power right now. Asim Munir and his allies pursue anti-Muslim policies (oppression being foremost) and deposed a beloved leader. There's no Islamic justification for their actions, just like there's no such justification for the TTP.

Taliban can do all the things you listed in your comment and still be Shariah-compliant. Maslaha is one of the 11 sources of Shariah law that permits that. It's permissible to be pragmatic for the interest of Muslims. But don't forget that the pragmatism of a true Muslim leader is only temporary and driven by necessity.

It seems Pakistan expects Afghanistan to help it fight the TTP. On the other hand, Pakistan helped the U.S. against the Taliban by providing military bases and intel support. Over a million Afghans died as a result. Asim Munir and his comrades seem willing to repeat this folly, but Imran Khan categorically rejected any form of cooperation with America against the Taliban. So, why on earth should the Taliban feel obliged to help Pakistan? The Taliban knows that your current leadership in Pakistan is the same breed with the guys who helped America massacre their people. Don't expect any cooperation with the Taliban under such leadership.

I don't support a violent attempt to overthrow the illegitimate government imposed on the Pakistanis. This will only lead to anarchy. The job of removing Asim Munir is for the military and the civilian leadership in Islamabad. But mounting a non-violent and carefully-caliberated civilian pressure towards this outcome is okay by me. This was and still is the strategy pursued by Imran Khan and the PTI. It remains to be seen how this ends.

But remember one thing:

The anarchy in Pakistan is only about preventing the alliance of two powerful Muslim countries: Pakistan and Turkey. Pakistan has the nuclear deterrent Turkey needs to confront Western aggression in the Muslim world. Turkiye has many of the Weapons Pakistan needs to deal with India. They will completed each other. Such an alliance is the single most dangerous possibility for America, especially in the Middle East. Far more dangerous than China and Russia combined because these two super powers (China & Russia) have NO stomach for a war with America, especially a nuclear war. The Muslims on the other hand have such a stomach, and the West knows this. They'd rather plunge Pakistan into a civil war through their puppets in the Pakistani military that allow such an alliance (which Imran Khan and Erdogan were speeding towards).


Well said. India would love to fuel conflict between Afghanistan and Paksitan. Both are Muslim countries and India has a strong enmity towards Muslims.

When people say Taliban here we mean the TTP.

We say Afghan Taliban for the one in Afghanistan.

 

[SaadH]

Lastly, After KAMRA attack, i would like to know what lessons were learned ( if any ), and how was base security tightened after that around the country.

All involved were promoted...

 

[Jf Thunder]

All involved were promoted...

why am I not surprised with this.
damn, this is like a slap to the Nation's face.

"yeah, it happened,
yeah we let your money be wasted,
yeah we promoted those who caused it.
what you gonna do about it?"