BLOOMBERG: TURKEY WILL PAY FOR ABANDONING THE KURDS

[Steve781]

In that case Turkey can invoke article 5 of Nato, right? Rasmussen or the new guy said Nato is with Turkey. So if it will come to that point, a portion of those 125k British boys will probably fly over and protect Turkey. That's nato for us.

Annoying the US? is taking care of your own interest first 'annoying the us'? What a great understanding ally then.

Annoying the US? is taking care of your own interest first 'annoying the us'? What a great understanding ally then.

I'm not saying this is what Turkey is trying to do. It's what Sinan sounded like as if he wanted to adopt policies specifically designed for that purpose.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Mate, seems like you are not familiar with this issue. So, i gonna tell you Turkey's approach.

What our government was saying.... actually after the return of 40 Turkish hostages whom held by ISIS.;

Warring against ISIS will not solve anything in the long term. We should also look into to the reasons why ISIS became to creation.

Assad's brutal regime paved way to extremism, so even if we manage to remove ISIS from the region. There is no guarentee that some other extremist group wont replace them. So brutal regime has to change.

Also, air strikes won't eradicate ISIS, so a ground operation is a must. But you can't expect Turkey alone to take on ISIS.

So, Turkey's suggestion is listed as below;

- Removal of Assad regime.
- Support for FSA.
- No-Fly zone over syria.
- Creation of a buffer zone along Turkey's border with UN or coalition forces.
- Assaulting ISIS not only with airforce but also with ground forces.

Mate, until these conditions are met Turkey won't lift a finger. Western Media can even write "Turkish military is conducting operations with ISIS". We simply don't care. You need to understand that you can't blackmail Turkey on this issue.

Babe Turkey will turn out to be another scam. Just like Pakistan during jihad against soviets and fight WOT. $$$ coming in.

On the flip side, Turkey needs $$$ but also some F 16s and foreign technology. Turkey can't produce tut on its own. Just like Indian scammers. Those Tata scammers to be precise.

I am thinking to become a scammer too.

Mark my words: BILLIONS WILL BE WASTED ON THOSE SCAMMERS.

I will blame the printin' babe. They wasted resources and pumped other hunzzz.

The world needs honest people. Scammers like Tata, schmoney from Israel and kinks from ME should be shipped over to ISIS. The sooner the better.

 

[Steve781]

Mate, seems like you are not familiar with this issue. So, i gonna tell you Turkey's approach.

What our government was saying.... actually after the return of 40 Turkish hostages whom held by ISIS.;

Warring against ISIS will not solve anything in the long term. We should also look into to the reasons why ISIS became to creation.

Assad's brutal regime paved way to extremism, so even if we manage to remove ISIS from the region. There is no guarentee that some other extremist group wont replace them. So brutal regime has to change.

Also, air strikes won't eradicate ISIS, so a ground operation is a must. But you can't expect Turkey alone to take on ISIS.

So, Turkey's suggestion is listed as below;

- Removal of Assad regime.
- Support for FSA.
- No-Fly zone over syria.
- Creation of a buffer zone along Turkey's border with UN or coalition forces.
- Assaulting ISIS not only with airforce but also with ground forces.

Mate, until these conditions are met Turkey won't lift a finger. Western Media can even write "Turkish military is conducting operations with ISIS". We simply don't care. You need to understand that you can't blackmail Turkey on this issue.

Ground forces will likely be sent at some point but I can't see the UN ever authorising a no fly zone as Russia and China will definitely veto it.

 

[-SINAN-]

Ground forces will likely be sent at some point but I can't see the UN ever authorising a no fly zone as Russia and China will definitely veto it.

I know that's why I said UN or coalition forces.

 

[olcayto]

Ground forces will likely be sent at some point but I can't see the UN ever authorising a no fly zone as Russia and China will definitely veto it.

U.N is a joke, no one needs a resolution from them these days to get in war.
There's nothing wrong with what Turkey asks for. Kicking İSİL out won't solve our problem, it will only solve US problems. İ'm pretty sure that Turkey will shoulder the bulk of the coalition in case they comply.

The war in Syria has been going on for years. İSİL has been active for years in Syria. No one gave a damn. However, when İSİL attacked İraq (US interests), suddenly they become an immediate threat to "humanity"?
Only naive people will buy this.

 

[al-Hasani]

I'm saying the West is NOT involved. I'm saying we are MUCH LESS involved. This is quite clearly the case when one compares Britain, which has sent NO arms with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, who have each sent billions worth of arms. Personally I am appalled that my taxes are going to provide money to a group of rebels who have burned churches in the village of Malloula, one of the last villages in the world where they still speak Aramaic, the language of Christ himself.

Less or more involved does not matter. I don't agree with you being "lesser" involved anyway. You are part of the same coalition that is rightfully against Al-Assad AND ISIS. West is not only composed of tiny Britain. You know that, right? US for instance has been heavily involved in terms of weapon deliveries too.

"Billions upon billions" is a huge overstatement.

Wait a second? Did you not just write that your government has not send any weapons and now you are "appalled" because your taxes are going to provide money to "rebels"? You are contradicting yourself.

Hold on for a second. Last time I checked it was not the FSA that we support, that besieged M'aloula but Al-Nusra who kills everyone that opposes them. Including other radicals (ISIS). Also those are non-confirmed rumors anyway. FSA were not involved in any crimes.

Battle of Ma'loula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You forgot that Syria is an Arab country. Thus my fellow Arabs are suffering the most. Why should I have any interested in them suffering? Moreover M'aloula is also home to Muslim Arabs and the Christians who live there are both Arabs and the Syriac Christians who live in M'aloula are fellow Semites. Besides the Muslim Arabs of that city are better speakers of Aramaic.

Which you can see here in this short documentary;

Moreover Aramaic is closely related to Arabic and quite a few people actually are able to speak it due to studies of it.

So no by no means did I like the scenes there but don't blame the FSA for that. The Syrian opposition has Christian members too and FSA has many Christian members too.

What is the problem of being both against Al-Assad and ISIS? Surely most sane people want those two mass-murderers gone. Or what?

 

[Steve781]

In that case Turkey can invoke article 5 of Nato, right? Rasmussen or the new guy said Nato is with Turkey. So if it will come to that point, a portion of those 125k British boys will probably fly over and protect Turkey. That's nato for us.

Annoying the US? is taking care of your own interest first 'annoying the us'? What a great understanding ally then.

Less or more involved does not matter. I don't agree with you being "lesser" involved anyway. You are part of the same coalition that is rightfully against Al-Assad AND ISIS. West is not only composed of tiny Britain. You know that, right? US for instance has been heavily involved in terms of weapon deliveries too.

"Billions upon billions" is a huge overstatement.

Wait a second? Did you not just write that your government has not send any weapons and now you are "appalled" because your taxes are going to provide money to "rebels"? You are contradicting yourself.

Hold on for a second. Last time I checked it was not the FSA that we support, that besieged M'aloula but Al-Nusra who kills everyone that opposes them. Including other radicals (ISIS). Also those are non-confirmed rumors anyway. FSA were not involved in any crimes.


You forgot that Syria is an Arab country. Thus my fellow Arabs are suffering the most. Why should I have any interested in them suffering? Moreover M'aloula is also home to Muslim Arabs and the Christians who live there are both Arabs and the Syriac Christians who live in M'aloula are fellow Semites. Besides the Muslim Arabs of that city are better speakers of Aramaic.

Which you can see here in this short documentary;

Moreover Aramaic is closely related to Arabic and quite a few people actually are able to speak it due to studies of it.

So no by no means did I like the scenes there but don't blame the FSA for that. The Syrian opposition has Christian members too and FSA has many Christian members too.

We've given money to the Syrian National Coalition but we haven't delivered any arms to the FSA. It wasn't ISIS who fought the Battle of Maaloula but FSA and Al Nusra. Whether the FSA took part in the church burnings or not they were definitely allied with those who did. If they want to reassure Christians then why don't they just cut off links with Al Nusra? It won't cost them anything as it's a dying group anyway whose fighters are all leaving for ISIS.

 

[al-Hasani]

We've given money to the Syrian National Coalition but we haven't delivered any arms to the FSA. It wasn't ISIS who fought the Battle of Maaloula but FSA and Al Nusra. Whether the FSA took part in the church burnings or not they were definitely allied with those who did. If they want to reassure Christians then why don't they just cut off links with Al Nusra? It won't cost them anything as it's a dying group anyway whose fighters are all leaving for ISIS.

I wrote Al-Nusra. FSA did not commit any crimes they just clashed with the Al-Assad terror army. Because for now they are fighting against the same major enemy. Just like the West teamed up with the Soviets during WW2 against Nazi Germany and later those two became mortal enemies (Cold War).

Shall I once again tell you that FSA has hundreds of Christian members? Anyway why do you look at the conflict from an religious perspective? This is about removing an mass-murderering dictator whose barrel bombs, bullets etc. do not differentiate between peoples religions or anything else.

Anyway you did not answer what the problem is about removing both Al-Assad and ISIS which is the plan of the West and its Arab allies and Turkey?!

 

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@Steve781

What did west against pkk in 3 decades other than calling them terrorists? Or how much did they help us with 1.5 million refugees?
How can they ask us to fight a war that would have no benefical outcome for us but probably spill the war over to Turkey wich has a 800 km border with conflict zone, not to mention that it would play in our enemys hands, while they themselves are thousand of km away from war, just sitting comfortably in their jets and randomly strike places from the air?

Turkey isnt stupid enough to help its decades long enemy (pkk and its branch pyd) only because westerners would be offended, no matter how much bad PR we get, in the end it only shows us how much our allies care for our security.

 

[anonymus]

A pertinent question is Whether Turkey will pay in Euro or Lira?

 

[Munir]

I have been following how the EEC behaves when it comes to Turkey. All I can say is that (besides that EEC is kind of monopoly and responsible destruction of weaker economies do wrong as can be) the EEC is acting biassed and is discriminating Turkey. They rather have non muslims which have far worser situation then Turkey. That is not hidden but openly said. While the European nations (Germany, France, UK, Netherlands, etc etc) cannot stop shouting about jews discrimination (discrimination is a bad thing in my opinion), on the other side they are clearly anti islam powers. There are huge parties (with huge electorate) that are clearly against muslims. They hate Islam. Feared is linked with Islam. War against muslims is seen as needed. This s not unplanned but carefully choreographed. SO, Turkey will be used by NATO on the one side to do everything they need to control others but it will never be accepted as partner in other fields. The Turks know this by know. Hypocrisy based leadership in western world about Israel, Palestinians is one example... I am pretty sure the Turks will move away economically. But NATO will not allow that. A strange equilibrium.

This is the war for the resources... It is getting less and less and just look at who steals and is busy with war mongering... Let me give you a Dutch inside. A few years ago they had crashed their parliament because they were feeling they were used by USA to wage war in Afghanistan. Now they were not asked to bomb Irac. They cannot accept that and deployed f16's. At the same time fear is created that muslims will attack them here. This is comparable with Nazi Germany. Dutch are portrayed as victims of war on terror. Clearly an agenda. Is someone with Islamic background a threat here? I do not think so. Surely you have a few idiots that do utmost stupid. But let them be brought to justice. X (A moroccan) killed a Dutch moviemaker that was "negative" about Islam. I would not see any difference in people in Muslim nations that have harsh opinion about jews or christians. It is not good but one does not have to commit crime to stop one. At the same time Y (a dutch white person) killed a politician to stop him for I do not know what... That person is free again. No one says that Christians are murderers. This is the reality. Is the west a better world? Not for Turkey.

I think it is the best for Turkey to look eastwards.

 

[SALMAN F]

That the least a country can do...Beside 18% of the Turkish population is kurds. How does this frange of Turks are going to react if Kobane falls and kurds with whom the majority are related , get massacred by ISIS like they have done with the Shias, the yazidis, the westerners...

How is that is turkey's problem??
Few weeks ago they were asking the iranian government to execute every ISIS supporter in the kurdish region of iran...the same iran that they want USA and israel should bomb
They wish to kill arabs and the turks and the iranians but they beg them when they need help from them
It was turkey who hosted them in the gulf war and helped to create no fly zone
and turkey helped to end and solve the conflict between talabani and barzani
and how they pay back the favor by more PKK terrorism!!
They are ungrateful snakes who will backstab you no matter how many times you are going to help them

 

[damm1t]

 

[al-Hasani]

So Kurdish terrorists (PKK or YPG) killed a Saudi Arabian tourist a few days ago in Mardin who visited his Turkish wife's family in Mardin and a Syrian national.

Turkey steps up efforts to nab killers of Saudi | Arab News — Saudi Arabia News, Middle East News, Opinion, Economy and more.

More reason for them to be screwed up by Turkey if they try anything.

The hypocritical behavior of the Kurds (first laughing at the Iraqi army) despite being more humiliated afterwards, looking back when their cousins the Yazidis (whom they have always hated mostly) were massacred and this only stopped after the Iraqi army saved the Yazidis, claiming to have captured the Mosul Dam when in reality it was ISOF and thinking that they are entitled to special help while Arabs and Turkmens in Syria and Iraq have had 100's (at least the Arabs in both countries for obvious reasons) Ayn Al Arab's without even close to this fuss.

Behaving like wild animals in Turkey and other countries setting everything ablaze, destroying property, attacking and killing people, while not having the guts to fight themselves but sending women fighters and women suicide bombers instead.

Pathetic. No wonder that they are stateless and almost always have been. I lost a lot for the Kurds recently.

Now they also occupy Kirkuk an Iraqi city now mostly inhabited by Arabs and Turkmen and they have tried to deny Iraqi Arabs from going into "Kurdistan" too. Pathetic behavior when Iraq hosted their asses when they escaped from ISIS. Thank God that we don't have a "Kurdish" problem and that they are only present in 2 Arab countries if that kind of behavior is normal.

 

[BronzePlaque]

That the least a country can do...Beside 18% of the Turkish population is kurds. How does this frange of Turks are going to react if Kobane falls and kurds with whom the majority are related , get massacred by ISIS like they have done with the Shias, the yazidis, the westerners...

There are no un-armed civilians left in Kobane but only YPG terrorists and may be some civilians who wish to fight..Kobane is ghost town..Turkey is accepting who wishes to seek refugee inside OUR territory..So far 150K+ Kurds.. So please cut that crocodile tears BS