Bengali economic migrants in Pakistan

[Zibago]

They are probably fake id papers

Nah man many anti mukti bengalis migrated to Pakistan and they do have valid nic,s

 

[Zibago]

3million Bangladeshi illegally living in Pakistan is unbelievable. If so many illegal Bangladeshi's live in Pakistan then surly we would have heard about them in Bangladeshi main stream. Media. But I never heard a word about them.

Half have valid nic,s

 

[django]

Nah man many anti mukti bengalis migrated to Pakistan and they do have valid nic,s

Yaar it is well documented that most of them arrived well after 1971, if they feel that their should not have been a division between Pak and banglastan then they could simply go to the Pak embassy and apply for asylum, not illegally cross borders, put it this way , if I was a serviceman I would be very trigger happy at all these illegal migrants who for all we know may be raw agents targeting our strategic interests.kudos

 

[Desert Fox]

I think we Pakistanis were and continue to be very harsh on Bengalis. i would like a reunion with a Bengali president and prime minister-if it ever happens anyway. Indians well they are harsh on Bengalis-they don't share the same religion.

That's not gonna happen.

They got their country, they wanted to separate, and now the illegal ones should be deported back to Bangladesh.

There's plenty of locals who are willing to work the jobs these illegal Bangladeshis are doing.

 

[Icewolf]

Bengalis are 10x better than the Afghans

 

[Zibago]

Yaar it is well documented that most of them arrived well after 1971, if they feel that their should not have been a division between Pak and banglastan then they could simply go to the Pak embassy and apply for asylum, not illegally cross borders, put it this way , if I was a serviceman I would be very trigger happy at all these illegal migrants who for all we know may be raw agents targeting our strategic interests.kudos

Thats why i said half have nic,s and half the nic,s were gained through illegal means

 

[tsinga]

Why has the OP used the word Bengali ?

Indian Bengalis don't go to Pakistan. Infact, the Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan come to India.

Maybe the Bangladeshi ones do. In any case, its good for Bangladesh.

Only the ISIS/Ummah/Jamaat loving types of Bangladeshi's would ever go to Pakistan. Pakistan is Grand Central for them and Bangladesh should thank heavens that such people leave Bangladesh (a fast growing country & an aspiring modern society) for Pakistan(which is a more cultural fit for these people)

 

[TopCat]

What a crap.. If Pakistan was so much of a heaven, those Bengalis would had integrated with the mainstream society by now and nobody woutld be able to make the difference. Nobody likes to stay in shiit hole unless got stuck somehow.

Thanks

 

[haviZsultan]

Yaar they are not part of our nation. they have their own

They stood with us and Jinnah when he formed Pakistan we were together. Jinnah is ashamed with us and watching everything. Mostly to honor Jinnah and prove to him Pakistan is one i want the Bengal and west Pakistani regions merge again. Even if it requires a Bengali PM and President.

Half have valid nic,s

Our policy to migrants is filled by our own hypocrisies. Bengalis shouldn't come because they betrayed us-even though many love Pakistan and despise Mujib Ur Rehman. Muhajirs shouldn't come because they are violent, Kashmiris shouldn't come because they are different from us. Afghans shouldn't come because they don't merge. We were made for oppressed muslims all over the world-funny that we have such an aggressive stand to others-it is often also affected by ethnicity. Pashtuns favor afghan migrants muhajirs muhajir migrants but not others. Pretty hypocritical and shows we are in no hurry to help people like Rohingyas or oppressed Kashmiris.

By treating them alag salag we have made a major mistake-we should have treated them as assets. Particularly muslims left in Lucknow/Hyderabad. I am from there and is my patriotism to Pakistan lacking in anyway?

What a crap.. If Pakistan was so much of a heaven, those Bengalis would had integrated with the mainstream society by now and nobody woutld be able to make the difference. Nobody likes to stay in shiit hole unless got stuck somehow.

Thanks

This is a very arrogant post... Mods.
It is every persons choice where he stays and what country he vouches for. Nurul Amin and MM Alam stood for Pakistan.

 

[Desert Fox]

What a crap.. If Pakistan was so much of a heaven, those Bengalis would had integrated with the mainstream society by now and nobody woutld be able to make the difference. Nobody likes to stay in shiit hole unless got stuck somehow.

Thanks

Right, then in that case convince your government to take back millions of its citizens who have entered Pakistan illegally and are residing here in this "shit hole".

Also, while you're at it leave this forum as well since its Pakistani, the "shit hole" country according to you.

They stood with us and Jinnah when he formed Pakistan we were together. Jinnah is ashamed with us and watching everything. Mostly to honor Jinnah and prove to him Pakistan is one i want the Bengal and west Pakistani regions merge again. Even if it requires a Bengali PM and President.


Our policy to migrants is filled by our own hypocrisies. Bengalis shouldn't come because they betrayed us-even though many love Pakistan and despise Mujib Ur Rehman. Muhajirs shouldn't come because they are violent, Kashmiris shouldn't come because they are different from us. Afghans shouldn't come because they don't merge. We were made for oppressed muslims all over the world-funny that we have such an aggressive stand to others-it is often also affected by ethnicity. Pashtuns favor afghan migrants muhajirs muhajir migrants but not others. Pretty hypocritical and shows we are in no hurry to help people like Rohingyas or oppressed Kashmiris.

By treating them alag salag we have made a major mistake-we should have treated them as assets. Particularly muslims left in Lucknow/Hyderabad. I am from there and is my patriotism to Pakistan lacking in anyway?


This is a very arrogant post... Mods.
It is every persons choice where he stays and what country he vouches for. Nurul Amin and MM Alam stood for Pakistan.

MM Alam and the other patriotic Pakistani Bangalis did not betray us in our time of struggle, they remained loyal to their homeland.

But these new comers (post 1971) are coming here only for economic purposes and are swelling our already massive population. They got their own country which they betrayed us for and killed thousands of West Pakistanis over, so why should they now come here because they magically "love Pakistan" now?

 

[haviZsultan]

Right, then in that case convince your government to take back millions of its citizens who have entered Pakistan illegally and are residing here in this "shit hole".

Also, while you're at it leave this forum as well since its Pakistani, the "shit hole" country according to you.


MM Alam and the other patriotic Pakistani Bangalis did not betray us in our time of struggle, they remained loyal to their homeland.

But these new comers (post 1971) are coming here only for economic purposes and are swelling our already massive population. They got their own country which they betrayed us for and killed thousands of West Pakistanis over, so why should they now come here because they magically "love Pakistan" now?

Well I am not in favor of blaming the Bengalis only though it is said even if you are ruled by a tyrant like ZAB and Yahya Khan were you are supposed to bear the punishment for muslim unity..

However its our fault too. If you look at things contextually you will notice that the Bengalis in Mujibs points were demanding something very similar to what Jinnah demanded after 1940's. Seperate electorates for muslim provinces and rule of muslim majority provinces for themselves he just wanted the freedom for muslims to make their own choices-India refused to give us those rights. But the same thing happened in Bengal in the ethnic sense. Why did we do this when we had gone through exactly the same thing. India would have remained united if not their policy of giving no space to muslims. The case of Bengal is very similar.

My point is surrendering some of our freedoms and providing autonomy to provinces and separate languistic or demographic groups can strengthen a union. But we have followed a policy of crushing other ethnic or sect based groups like shias. This doesn't work and increases the division between the people. This policy continues in Balochistan too.

In Bengal we screwed up by not accepting their winning political party. If it won it won. Even with the Agartala conspiracy if Mujib would try to divide Pakistan the proper action would be to wait until he tried. Then even the Bengalis would be on our side but we alienated them.

Another thing we did not learn was the errors of ethnic voting. Awami League and the division was a result of ethnic thinking too so I am partly blaming some Bengalis too. But are we in Pakistan still doing it? I think we are. Also we imposed urdu on Bengalis a demand of the -at that time much powerful migrant community. So we all made mistakes. Lets not blame the Bengalis for it completely.

 

[xyxmt]

About Biharis, I have no idea about the ground realities in Pakistan, I hope the situation is quite improved now. My father grew up in Old Dhaka where there used to be many Biharis (or rather non-Bengalis since all of them were not Biharis but Urdu-speaking people from different ethnicities). Some of them were quite good school friends of my father. After the war, most of them (the non-Bengali friends of my father) moved to Pakistan. However, from the last few years they have started to contact my father. They want to resettle in Bangladesh because of the poor security situation in Karachi. They seem to be well off as well. Last year, one of his friend came to our house with his family and had dinner with us. After talking to them, what I understood is that many Pakistanis are actually hoping to settle in Bangladesh, while settling in Dubai is their second option which will cost higher.

About Bengalis illegally entering Pakistan, let's be frank, Pakistan is a beautiful country with a rich heritage, but when it comes to economic conditions, it's surely not that much attractive that would warrant a journey, crossing two of the world's deadliest borders and taking all those risks. Still, I agree there might be some illegal Bangladeshis in Pakistan. That's because Pakistan is a major destination for Islamic education and many Qawmi madrassa students in Bangladesh aspire to have higher education in the Pakistani madrassas. However, the Qawmi madrassas are not registered by the government, hence, their degrees have no official affiliation which compels these students to migrate to Pakistan illegally. Another fact is that, Pakistan is a major transit point in the route for human trafficking to Europe. It's possible some Bangladeshis couldn't reach Europe and became stranded in Pakistan. Above all, even after the presence of illegal Bangladeshis, most of the Bengalis in Pakistan are those who have been living there since before 1971 and shouldn't be tagged as illegals.

hahaha good one.
Best line was: "many Pakistanis are actually hoping to settle in Bangladesh, while settling in Dubai is their second option"

But before Pakistanis want to settle in BD, White people have to work as maid in Indian household

 

[MadDog]

I believe its not true, there was a wave of migration from Bangladesh in the decade of 1980's and 1990's, they are mostly in Karachi, they face a lot of problems with integrating with the local population , they came illegaly and are in millions, those who who chose to stay back in 1971, are full Pakistani citizens and are well settled, I personally know one family

 

[Desert Fox]

Well I am not in favor of blaming the Bengalis only though it is said even if you are ruled by a tyrant like ZAB and Yahya Khan were you are supposed to bear the punishment for muslim unity..

However its our fault too. If you look at things contextually you will notice that the Bengalis in Mujibs points were demanding something very similar to what Jinnah demanded after 1940's. Seperate electorates for muslim provinces and rule of muslim majority provinces for themselves he just wanted the freedom for muslims to make their own choices-India refused to give us those rights. But the same thing happened in Bengal in the ethnic sense. Why did we do this when we had gone through exactly the same thing. India would have remained united if not their policy of giving no space to muslims. The case of Bengal is very similar.

My point is surrendering some of our freedoms and providing autonomy to provinces and separate languistic or demographic groups can strengthen a union. But we have followed a policy of crushing other ethnic or sect based groups like shias. This doesn't work and increases the division between the people. This policy continues in Balochistan too.

In Bengal we screwed up by not accepting their winning political party. If it won it won. Even with the Agartala conspiracy if Mujib would try to divide Pakistan the proper action would be to wait until he tried. Then even the Bengalis would be on our side but we alienated them.

Another thing we did not learn was the errors of ethnic voting. Awami League and the division was a result of ethnic thinking too so I am partly blaming some Bengalis too. But are we in Pakistan still doing it? I think we are. Also we imposed urdu on Bengalis a demand of the -at that time much powerful migrant community. So we all made mistakes. Lets not blame the Bengalis for it completely.

I'm not really concerned with the past as what's done is done.

My point is these people have a country of their own. They are not nation less, neither is there a war in Bangladesh that they should come here and add additional burden to our infrastructure. They have no right to be here.

Regarding the rest of your post concerning autonomy of provinces. The problem isn't that provinces don't have autonomy, rather its the provincialism of Pakistani politicians who only do more for their own provinces at the expense of the others.

 

[haviZsultan]

I'm not really concerned with the past as what's done is done.

My point is these people have a country of their own. They are not nation less, neither is there a war in Bangladesh that they should come here and add additional burden to our infrastructure. They have no right to be here.

Regarding the rest of your post concerning autonomy of provinces. The problem isn't that provinces don't have autonomy, rather its the provincialism of Pakistani politicians who only do more for their own provinces at the expense of the others.

Jinnah said for godsake give up this provincialism so I partly agree with you. But everything is not black and white here. When Jinnah vouched for Pakistan Bengal was a part of it. I don't know how that is relevant or how to explain this in my pov.

I think it would honor Jinnah that Pakistan and Bengal be one again. He made the nation with us together and would be hurt with the break up. I want to honor his memory. Also I don't think that we should support our countries policies unequivocally. Policies are made by man and they will and should be condemned. So our policies were partly to blame for Bengal partition. Till we are reunited we should work together to build an inclusive society with what we have. Peace.