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Focus on the thread subject please, and argue against the message, not rail against the messenger.

There are way too many personal attacks on this thread - if you disagree with someones arguments, you should be able to show them to be wrong. Sarcasm does not count.

Back to thread topic please.
 
The Indian inferiority complex shows itself again in the last series of posts. The Indians have only Bollywood and cricket to offer and they talk of superficiality. Their entire modern culture is a derivative of the West. They lack depth and substance and think a few songs and dance routines makes up a civilization. What ever culture they had was lost with the decline of the Moghuls but this has not been replaced by a distinct Indian culture. What we have now is a mockery of what it is to be Indian.

These Indians are so afraid that they totally ignore the subject of the thread.

Munshi Ji,

You are great.... I really enjoy your posts... :)
But I could not understand how Bollywood is procured from west. Bollywood has its own format which is totally different than any film industry.

Why do you want to see distinct indian culture when people of India so diversified? We have different cultures which makes India unique.

I really feel sad for you and your anger. In my view, I am very much Indian and stick to my local traditions, but as I travel to different places and interact to different people, as a result you can say I am bit changed person too.
May GOD give you mental peace....
 
I think this opinion says a lot for the state of culture and language and its increasing uniformity in India -

Do many Bengali students in Kolkata opt for Hindi as the second language ignoring Bengali?

NFB - September 26 2008

By Asok Dasgupta, India

In an interview with Kolkata's Bengali daily 'Aajkaal,' West Bengal's former Chief Minister Jyoti Basu said that he had learnt from his grandson,a student of a top ranking Kolkata school, that majority of (Bengali speaking) students there opted fror Hindi as the second
language even though Bengali too was one of the options. it may be mentioned here that English is the first language in this case.

The concerned link of the paper comes below

Kolkata news: political, economical, events of Kolkata/Calcutta

Jyoti Basu was reminiscing how sincerely he had worked as a youngman to improve his Bengali before his departure for Great Britain for higher studies since his father desired that.

AD Gupta
India

http://www.bangladesh-web.com/view.php?hidType=&hidRecord=0000000000000000223026

NOW CAN WE PLEASE RETURN TO THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD?!
 
Indian Expansionism: Harmful for Peace in South Asia

Hari Bansha Dulal - 10/9/2005

The encroachment of Nepalese land in Susta VDC, Nawalparasi clearly demonstrates how India is trying to take advantage of current political mess in Nepal by encroaching Nepalese territory. While Indian embassy's staffers in Kathmandu keep themselves busy trying to paint India's friendly attitude by providing funds to build bridges and inaugurating school buildings in terai, their government in New Delhi makes Nepalese pay for the financial aid provided to Nepal by ripping off their national identity. However, what could be the better time than this to encroach a smaller state's territory? Political parties are wrestling with King to grab the power and king is
flexing his muscle to maintain status quo. New Delhi does understand that neither political parties that are busy protesting in the street nor King residing in the Narayanhiti trying to garner India's support can afford to displease India by voicing their concern over Susta. As both the warring parties are trying their best to remain in good books of India, poor in Susta are forcibly getting converted into Indian citizens without much opposition from the government and political parties that are meant to fight for the citizens right. Citizens of Susta are the recent victims of bullish and oppressive policies of the Indian expansionists.

Nepal is not only the nation that is having a border dispute with India. India has an ongoing border dispute with China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nepal. Although, the areas in contention with China and Pakistan are among
the largest existing land boundary disputes in the world. The Indo-Bangladeshi contention over New Moore/South Talpatty Island and Indo-Nepali dispute over Kalapani and Susta involve comparatively small area. But the point here is not how big or small the area of dispute is. It's about the India's attitude towards it neighbors in the region. With three-quarters of the landmass, population and economy of the region, India has developed a bullish and hegemonic attitude towards its neighbor. Even after having fought wars with China and a recent war (Kargil) over Kashmir with Pakistan, India has not acknowledged the importance of peaceful coexistence. In addition to the already existing issues such as Kalapani which has been forcibly occupied by the Indian army; the Laxmanpur Barrage that has resulted in the flooding of Nepalese villages; the Mahakali treaty that is unfairly loaded in favor of India, the recent Susta encroachment exhibits India's increasing lust over foreign territories. What New Delhi should understand is, national boundaries are symptomatic of wider bilateral relations and manifestations of national identity. They can be trip-wires of war. The seething anger of the people of China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nepal against the Indian expansionism may burst into the open any time in near future. The people of these countries in order to ascertain their self respect and nationalism can burst open and harm Indian interests and establishments in their respective countries and the region as they did during the Hritik Roshan Fiasco in Nepal.

The anti-Indian feeling in Nepal is at the highest level and the Nepalese citizens are bitter to the core. India should realize that relationship built on genuine equality and mutual respect, is the only guarantee for peace and development in South Asia.
Hari Bansha Dulal is a doctoral student of Environmental Science and Public Policy at George Mason University, Virginia, USA

Global Politician - Indian Expansionism: Harmful for Peace in South Asia
 
61st Independence Day: the Hindu mindset
By R.A. KHAN August 13, 2008

This year Pakistan's 61st Independence Day has come at a time when the country is faced with a number of challenging issues: restoration of judiciary, good governance, galloping inflation, energy crisis, militancy in FATA, NATO threats, US demands and Indo-US nuclear deals. While the issues cited above will be resolved in the foreseeable future, there is one issue that defies resolution; The Kashmir Issue. And all because of the hostility, fear and distrust that lie buried deep in the psyche of the Hindu community. No wonder Bharat has always failed to reach an understanding with Pakistan. All Pak- Bharat summits - General Ayub Khan: Jawaharlal Nehru, Benazir Bhutto: Rajiv Gandhi, Nawaz: I K Gujral, General Musharraf: Atal Behari Vajpayee - have failed or remained inconclusive.
Pakistan's 61st Independence Day should remind us that the Hindu mindset has not changed. Hindus bitterly opposed the Pakistan idea when it was first enunciated. They called it a " vivisection of their motherland." They refused to acknowledge that the Muslims of South Asia constituted a nation. Gandhi said, "I find no parallel in history for a body of converts and their descendants claiming to be a nation apart from their parent stock. If India was one nation before the advent of Islam, it must remain one in spite of the change of faith of a very large body of her children."
The Congress also gave ample evidence of its hostility towards the Muslims. The excesses of the Congress provincial governments of 1937-39, the Pirpur Report and Fazlul Haq's "Muslims suffering under Congress rule" unveiled the true face of this so-called national party. Quaid-e-Azam saw through the malice and duplicity of the Congress." The Congress", he said, "is a Hindu organisation and wanted the Muslims to come within the ken of the Congress and Hindu Raj."
Most Hindu leaders spoke publicly of driving the Muslims from India as the Spaniards have driven the Moors from Spain. Such threats aroused feelings of deep insecurity among the Muslims and were convinced that they would never get a fair deal at the hands of Hindus.
The arrogance of the Congress, its rapport with the militant forces of Hindu revivalism and its deep animus towards Muslim history and culture compelled the Quaid to take a fresh look at the Hindu- Muslim question. He was convinced that in a United India, Hindu philosophy would reduce the Muslims to an abject state of slavery. He was convinced that the Muslims could save themselves from Hindu domination only by establishing an Independent and sovereign state.
It was hoped that with the division of the sub-continent things would fall into place and the legacy of hatred would fade away. But that was not to be. The Hindu psyche remains as twisted today as it was yesterday. The Hindu leadership has not reconciled itself to the creation of Pakistan .As a big neighbour and as a senior partner in SAARC, it is Bharat's task to remove past suspicions and give credible evidence of its good intentions. But Bharat's record in this respect is not very inspiring. It has repeatedly flouted UN Declarations and refused to recognize the legality of Pakistan's stand. It has waged three wars against Pakistan and spared no means to destroy the very existence of this country. In 1971, it succeeded in mutilating Pakistan and separating its eastern wing. Even today it is trying to crush the defenceless Kashmiris and deprive them of their right to self-determination. Of late, especially after the INDO-US deal, Hindu leadership has become more arrogant and pontifical in its tone.
Behind Bharat's inflated self-assessment lie its ago-old dreams of a Greater Bharat, the revival of the ancient Hindu civilisation and its emergence as a dominant country on the political horizon of the world. That these dreams have not faded and are very much alive can be gauged from a book Defending India, written not long ago by Jaswant Singh. In his view, the South Asian subcontinent-minus China is a distinct strategic unity, comprising countries, as far apart from Delhi as Afghanistan, Tibet and Myanamar. Pakistan and Bangladesh need not be mentioned, as they are two sons of the same soil. In fact, Pakistan is only technically foreign.
Bharat subscribes to a double-faced policy; on the one hand it goes through the motions of negotiating with Pakistan while on the other hand it pursues anti-Pakistan polices and foments trouble in Balochistan and FATA. With its delusion of grandeur, hegemonic ambitions and craving for regional supremacy, Bharat will not descend from its pedestal to parley as an equal with Pakistan. Bharat's syndrome is not new. The Quaid had spotted it 60 years ago. To a question by a Swiss journalist on whether there was any hope of India and Pakistan coming to a peaceful settlement, the Quaid replied, " Yes, provided the Indian government will shed the superiority complex and will deal with Pakistan on an equal footing."
The crucial question is: will Pak-Bharat relations ever become friendly? No, not in the true sense. There may be a semblance of normalcy, a veneer of cordiality but nothing more. The psychic chasm is too wide to be bridged. The Kashmir stalemate will persist. Bharat will continue to drag its feet and offer the flimsiest justification for doing so. Recall its knee-jerk reaction to last months attack on its embassy in Kabul. It promptly accused Pakistan of the crime and warned that provocations could scuttle the peace process. Bharat, in fact, wants Pakistan to freeze the issue! But Pakistan cannot do so. Kashmir is etched on its heart. It cannot erase it at will.
The writer is an academic

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It comes naturally to some, Munshi JI. When you make a serious, fair and considered point, they will obviously not be able to argue against it. So they will resort to making cheap comments and remarks. Sarcasm cannot defeat an argument, only expose the frustration of the person employing it.
I think it is an honour that this forum has person's whose views and articles are actually taken seriously outside this forum, and all credit goes to you, Munshi ji.
Mr Flintock expects retired army personnel to write down their ranks and acheivements whenever they pen an article. Maybe they should print a picture of them wearing their medals, holding a gun?

The only country in south asia with illusions of grandeur is India, with the Akhand Bharat theme a constant undercurrent in the Indian psyche (which is why they intermittently talk about bringing down the borders), As if India is not yet big enough?
But maybe it isn't, maybe it needs to colonise Pakistan and Bangladesh, to justify its own existence? For some of them may think, how can we call ourselves India, while the whole of the Indus river (whence the name India came) proper runs in Pakistan? Or how can we call ourselves Bharat when the mouths of the sacred Ganges are in Bangladesh?
I suggest the only cure for this mallady is to search for a new name for the Republic of India, more in accordance with geographical reality.

:) well dear although you are new in the board even you came to know about their tactics to derail the threads :)

AS far colonising Pakistan or Bangladesh by India well :P when after separation of Bangladesh from Pakistan, The Indians and Indian government were jumping madly with happiness claiming that they had proven Two Natioan theory as farce, besides they were dreaming of making Bangladesh an Indian colony but look at the history, Nor the two nationa theory died neither Bangladesh became part of India.

After failing to conquer Bangaldeshis now India had started another propaganda against BD.
 
Huh?

- Greater Bangladesh.


The Greater Bangladesh Dream




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I think greater bangladesh is a excellent idea......seven sisters and calcutta would be happy reuniting with bangladesh.
A break up of the indian "union" would be great for peace.

Have any of you indians ever thought why is it that all the countries that surround you dont like you?
China,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Nepal,Kashmir.......non of them like india.
 
Have any of you indians ever thought why is it that all the countries that surround you dont like you?
China,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Nepal,Kashmir.......non of them like india.

China is currently on decent terms with India, and so is Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka.

Only Pak and B'desh seem to have problems. And they both dream of expanding their territory at the expense of India. Do we see a pattern here? (Munshi ishtyle).

Anyways, as far as "Greater B'desh is concerned", any moves in that direction by B'desh will, to put it rather crudely, end up with their ***** getting whipped. They know it, of course, but somehow their egos refuse to accept the fact that a Hindu-majority country calls the shots in the region. So they keep taking pangas and behaving like a fly on New Delhi's plate.
 
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No country in South Asia is on good terms with India they just tolerate New Delhi. If you have not noticed already the title article was written by a former COAS of Sri Lanka.
 
No country in South Asia is on good terms with India they just tolerate New Delhi. If you have not noticed already the title article was written by a former COAS of Sri Lanka.


So why are they tolerating?
 
No country in South Asia is on good terms with India they just tolerate New Delhi. If you have not noticed already the title article was written by a former COAS of Sri Lanka.

I can find plenty of articles where those in power in Sri Lanka speak very favourably of India.

Bhutan and Nepal have excellent relations, and so do Myanmar.

China and India have improved our relations considerably in the last decade.

Perhaps in your chronic hatred of India and Indians, you cannot see the plain facts.
 
You are deluding yourself if you think India is much loved in South Asia. To write the first edition of The India Doctrine it did not take me long to find writers from Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka to contribute chapters discribing Indian interference in their country.
 
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