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Al-Sisi: No one will be able to take a drop of water from Egypt. And whoever wants to be tested, let him be tested

In this case it means a lot..for both Egypt and Sudan..

If the risks outweigh the the benefits for others..then it is a dangerous matter..
"Your freedom stops where the other's freedom starts".. as the saying goes
Defense treaties only work when there is a) an actual threat of war, b) a threat of one of the parties being attacked. I doubt that any sort of defense treaty encompasses offensives operations, or unilateral strikes from one of the treaty parties, ad such a thing could lead to disaster.

Like I said Ethiopia doesn't take the treats of war seriously, and quite frankly, neither do I. To me, it's quite clear that Sisi won't risk using a military option, when its clear it will pretty much backfire.
 
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Defense treaties only work when there is a) an actual threat of war, b) a threat of one of the parties being attacked. I doubt that any sort of defense treaty encompasses offensives operations, or unilateral strikes from one of the treaty parties, ad such a thing could lead to disaster.

Like I said Ethiopia doesn't take the treats of war seriously, and quite frankly, neither do I. To me, it's quite clear that Sisi won't risk using a military option, when its clear it will pretty much backfire.
Not only a threat of war.. there is a sporadic war on the borders between Ethiopia and Sudan going on for a while now..

Why Ethiopia and Sudan have fallen out over al-Fashaga

The armed clashes along the border between Sudan and Ethiopia are the latest twist in a decades-old history of rivalry between the two countries, though it is rare for the two armies to fight one another directly over territory.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55476831


The other possibility of war is when Ethiopia infringes in the water affairs of the two other concerned parties ..namely Egypt and Sudan.. a fact that is considered as a war declaration on sovereign states.. and there national security..

Well
.. it seems they are taking it seriously..:

The Ethiopian army is pushing new defense systems to the vicinity of the Renaissance Dam

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex6-s8FWUAAJ4Ev?format=jpg&name=small




It is true that a war move might backfire.. but weighing the risks of sanctions, against National Security involving a situation of life or death.. it might be worth it.. So there is still a possibility of armed conflict if we believe that war is an extension of diplomacy when it fails..
 
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Not only a threat of war.. there is a sporadic was on the borders between Ethiopia and Sudan going ob for a while now..

Why Ethiopia and Sudan have fallen out over al-Fashaga

The armed clashes along the border between Sudan and Ethiopia are the latest twist in a decades-old history of rivalry between the two countries, though it is rare for the two armies to fight one another directly over territory.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55476831


The other possibility of war is when Ethiopia infringes in the water affairs of the two other concerned parties ..namely Egypt and Sudan.. a fact that is considered as a war declaration on sovereign states.. and there national security..

Well
.. it seems they are taking it seriously..:

The Ethiopian army is pushing new defense systems to the vicinity of the Renaissance Dam

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex6-s8FWUAAJ4Ev?format=jpg&name=small




It is true that a war move might backfire.. but weighing the risks of sanctions, against National Security involving a situation of life or death.. it might be worth it.. So there is still a possibility of armed conflict if we believe that war is an extension of diplomacy when it fails..
Keep in mind, armed conflict is not the same as war. Sudan and Ethiopia can get involved din border skirmishes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll go to war.

As for if the risk may be worth it, Ethiopia is betting that it won't be worth it for Sudan and Egypt, especially Sudan. Right now, Sudan is working extremely hard to get back into the good graces of the international community, in order to fix its economy and increase its standard of living. A war with Ethiopia will ruin those prospects. With Egypt, if they were going to take action, I firmly believe they would have done so a long time ago. Ethiopia isn't worried about Egypt or Sudan actually striking at the dam, and I agree with that view. If Ethiopia is moving defense systems to near the dam, they're only doing so just incase they're wrong.

After all, you make preparation for an enemy based on their rhetoric, you prepare based on their capabilities.
 
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Beware of the mighty Nile crocodile
The Nile crocodile sports dentures...no more a threat after Israel rearranged its broken jaws and the US dentist fit them with a set of dentures à la carte.
 
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Who draw the red line? or are you ignorant of the facts..
Egypt wanted peace in Libya and it has achieved that.. Turkey and its stooges chickened out and left..get your facts right.. and don't argue by ignorance..
since when did they leave?
 
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Of all the people in the world, a guy name Sisi proclaims ........... !
 
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since when did they leave?

Is leaving? No, on the contrary, we are returning to Libya stronger than before 2011.

There is some allegations by media organizations from UAE and Russia. In reality, the situation is very different, technical equipment activities continue for Libya. Military training continues both in Turkey military academies and in Libya.

Turkey also began to support Libya's one of the largest development project under the leadership of the Misrata Free Zone administration. With this giant logistics plan, Libya will be a very valuable trade route for sub-Saharan countries, especially Chad and Mali. Turkish businessmen continue their investments.

While the French intervention in Libya started, Turkey was the first country that took the greatest economic damage. While bombs were raining on Libyan cities, we were trying to rescue 50,000 civilians. Dozens of infrastructure, residential and industrial projects were left unfinished. There was an economic loss of tens of billions of dollars. Fortunately, we're approaching that level again.

Vatiyye Air Base and Misrata Naval Base, on the other hand, continue their existence against the sabotage of the political solution and the resumption possibility of military action against Tripoli. Turkish AEW-C and intelligence aircrafts, frigates continue their ceasefire inspection and routine flights on the Libyan coast. The future of the Turkish military presence here will be decided after the elections planned to be held at the end of this year. Libya belongs to the Libyan people. Not to the foreign generals or the putschists.

The truth is that thanks to the support of Turkey, military putschists were unable to occupy Tripoli for more than 1 year and eventually withdrew. Moreover, all their military organizations collapsed in such a way that they retreated 500 kilometers east in 10 days. Mass graves are still being discovered in the surrounding towns of Tripoli, where the murdered people are thrown. You can also follow these developments in Amnesty International reports. Mine clearance activities continued for months. We witnessed all of Wagner's brutality one by one.

When the Tripoli occupation was not possible, the parties returned to the table again. This opened a democratic path not only to the west of Libya but also to the east. As a result, the installation of a transitional government was established and Thanks to God, the names in this transitional government are fully right choices which Turkey wants. The transitional government also received the vote of confidence last month and thus all these democratic efforts paved the way for national elections.

Meanwhile, some LNA commanders who were declared war criminals by the international criminal court began to be mysteriously killed. This may mean the destruction of evidence and witnesses, it should be discussed in detail.

Of course, some may want to reflect some tactical developments in the field as big events. But if you look at the strategic level Turkey has reached all the goals it wants politically and economically. The last goal will be reached with the completion of the elections.
 
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taking out 120 mercs because of logistical issues is not the same as pulling out of the whole operation
That is just a start..all foreign military forces will be out of Libya very soon..
Is leaving? No, on the contrary, we are returning to Libya stronger than before 2011.

There is some allegations by media organizations from UAE and Russia. In reality, the situation is very different, technical equipment activities continue for Libya. Military training continues both in Turkey military academies and in Libya.

Turkey also began to support Libya's one of the largest development project under the leadership of the Misrata Free Zone administration. With this giant logistics plan, Libya will be a very valuable trade route for sub-Saharan countries, especially Chad and Mali. Turkish businessmen continue their investments.

While the French intervention in Libya started, Turkey was the first country that took the greatest economic damage. While bombs were raining on Libyan cities, we were trying to rescue 50,000 civilians. Dozens of infrastructure, residential and industrial projects were left unfinished. There was an economic loss of tens of billions of dollars. Fortunately, we're approaching that level again.

Vatiyye Air Base and Misrata Naval Base, on the other hand, continue their existence against the sabotage of the political solution and the resumption possibility of military action against Tripoli. Turkish AEW-C and intelligence aircrafts, frigates continue their ceasefire inspection and routine flights on the Libyan coast. The future of the Turkish military presence here will be decided after the elections planned to be held at the end of this year. Libya belongs to the Libyan people. Not to the foreign generals or the putschists.

The truth is that thanks to the support of Turkey, military putschists were unable to occupy Tripoli for more than 1 year and eventually withdrew. Moreover, all their military organizations collapsed in such a way that they retreated 500 kilometers east in 10 days. Mass graves are still being discovered in the surrounding towns of Tripoli, where the murdered people are thrown. You can also follow these developments in Amnesty International reports. Mine clearance activities continued for months. We witnessed all of Wagner's brutality one by one.

When the Tripoli occupation was not possible, the parties returned to the table again. This opened a democratic path not only to the west of Libya but also to the east. As a result, the installation of a transitional government was established and Thanks to God, the names in this transitional government are fully right choices which Turkey wants. The transitional government also received the vote of confidence last month and thus all these democratic efforts paved the way for national elections.

Meanwhile, some LNA commanders who were declared war criminals by the international criminal court began to be mysteriously killed. This may mean the destruction of evidence and witnesses, it should be discussed in detail.

Of course, some may want to reflect some tactical developments in the field as big events. But if you look at the strategic level Turkey has reached all the goals it wants politically and economically. The last goal will be reached with the completion of the elections.
It is good if Turkey can help Libya get on its feet again.. everyone else in the area will also play a positive role..without political interventions in internal affairs..
 
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That is just a start..all foreign military forces will be out of Libya very soon..

It is good if Turkey can help Libya get on its feet again.. everyone else in the area will also play a positive role..without political interventions in internal affairs..
If you think foreign militaries are leaving anytime soon then I feel sorry for you.
 
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If you think foreign militaries are leaving anytime soon then I feel sorry for you.
You can feel sorry for yourself.. because they will be forced to leave by Libyans themselves..because all they want now is peace and prosperity..and they have it..so no need for any foreign forces in there..
 
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You can feel sorry for yourself.. because they will be forced to leave by Libyans themselves..because all they want now is peace and prosperity..and they have it..so no need for any foreign forces in there..
Keep dreaming buddy
 
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Keep dreaming buddy
Tell it to this guy..

Libya’s interim PM-designate calls for departure of mercenaries

"Libya’s interim PM-designate Abdul Hamid Dbeibah has called for the departure of some 20,000 foreign fighters present in the country as he made the case for his proposed Cabinet lineup at parliamentary talks."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021...-designate-calls-for-departure-of-mercenaries


OT:

Egypt says latest round of GERD talks are "last chance" before second dam filling

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...hance-before-second-dam-filling-idUSKBN2BR0O4
 
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