Al-Sisi: No one will be able to take a drop of water from Egypt. And whoever wants to be tested, let him be tested

[The SC]

Eight years ago, this statement was made by the Saudi Deputy Defense Minister at the time, Prince Khaled bin Sultan:

Deputy Defense Minister Prince Khalid bin Sultan rang the alarm regarding the Ethiopian issue, and the danger that threatens our region because of it. And that was that he delivered a speech last week in Cairo at the Arab Waters Meeting, in which he drew attention to the threat to the Nile water rights for Egypt and Sudan.

The Grand Renaissance Dam, which will be completed in 2015, is a truly great dam that can accommodate seventy billion cubic meters of flood water and is located at an altitude of 700 meters. If this dam were to collapse, the entire Khartoum would sink, but the effects of that will reach To the Aswan Dam.

Egypt will be the party most affected by the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam, because it does not have an alternative source of water compared to other countries of the Nile Basin. And the establishment of this dam 12 kilometers from the Sudanese border is the closest thing to political conspiracy than merely for the sake of economic gain, according to the expression of the Deputy Minister of Defense.

This means that this dam poses a threat to the national security of Egypt and Sudan. The establishment of this dam will lead to a shift in the water supply from the front of "Lake Nasser" to the Ethiopian plateau. This means complete Ethiopian control over every drop of water. In addition to causing an environmental imbalance that may trigger earthquake activity in the region, as a result of the high weight of the dense water heavy with silt trapped in front of the dam. Experts estimate this weight at 63 billion tons.

We are facing conspiratorial fingers messing with the Sudanese and Egyptian water resources and the fate of the nation as a whole. A vigilance must be taken against this conspiracy. And the kingdom - and its main ally Egypt - cannot abandon their role in leading and protecting the nation and stand in the face of every challenge to its stability and well-being.


https://www.alarabiya.net/arab-and-world/egypt/2013/03/09/سد-النهضة-العظيم-يهدد-مصر-والسودان

 

[Mohammed al-Faruqi]

Conventionally UAE could destroy Ethopia's whole military infrastructure in a few days and let the country burn. You are talking about an air force with top technology and training versus an air force weaker than many others much smaller in size.


Houthis are an unconventional force that requires extra steps. Even America couldn't win against the Taliban for that reason.

No need for conventional warfare. More expedient to support the ethnic fragmentation and the rightful persistent ambitions of statehood of the many ethnic groups who want to free themselves from the yoke of the Habesha oppression.

 

[CatSultan]

He is right.... Egypt is a regional power and nothing comes close to Egypt in that region....

Turkey and Israel have entered the chat

 

[The SC]

Turkey and Israel have entered the chat

They have no business in this,,the Nile is the life line of Egypt and Sudan.. Even Ethiopia with all its rain doesn't really need it..It will be taken in 24 hours and operated by Egypt and Sudan..Ethiopia showed only hatred and bad intentions.. it can't be left to operate the Dam on its own.. this Dam which is 15 km away from the borders with Sudan is like a timely bomb on the head of Sudan and Egypt ..it needs to be dealt with firmly and forcefully..as it is a matter of life and death.. too dangerous to even negotiate about it now..or think about political consequences..

Although my views are usually moderate.. in this matter that I have been following for the last 10 years.. there are no other solutions.. Maybe the signing of an agreement with guarantees by the UNSC can do .. but nothing less than that.. as Ethiopia showed it is not trustworthy at all..

 

[Ceylal]

They have no business in this,,the Nile is the life line of Egypt and Sudan.. Even Ethiopia with all its rain doesn't really need it..It will be taken in 24 hours and operated by Egypt and Sudan..Ethiopia showed only hatred and bad intentions.. it can't be left to operate the Dam on its own.. this Dam which is 15 km away from the borders with Sudan is like a timely bomb on the head of Sudan and Egypt ..it needs to be dealt with firmly and forcefully..as it is a matter of life and death.. too dangerous to even negotiate about it now..or think about political consequences..

Although my views are usually moderate.. in this matter that I have been following for the last 10 years.. there are no other solutions.. Maybe the signing of an agreement with guarantees by the UNSC can do .. but nothing less than that.. as Ethiopia showed it is not trustworthy at all..

Egypt and Sudan share 80% of the Nile water and the rest of the countries bordering it..20%....and its Ethiopia that is on the wrong? Hard to comprehend how the Arab mind...works..!

 

[That Guy]

They said that but they don't want to sign on it.. that is not how international affairs and diplomacy are conducted..

What do you mean sign off on it? Ethiopia doesn't care if Egypt signs off on it or not. International affairs are based upon capability, not rhetoric. Diplomacy in this case dictates that Ethiopia takes Egypt's threats of war seriously, Ethiopia does not.

Unless Egypt can prove their claim, then they'll simply be ignored internationally by everyone but their closest allies.

 

[That Guy]

Yes it was detailed in another thread here on PDF..about the same subject..a post by yours truly..

Egypt went to the UN security counsel.. it is higher than the International court..


This is why they are hearing some serious talk now..

Egypt was not against building the Dam but the problem seem to be operational..

They found out it wasn't feasible because of that..

So the UNSC and the ICJ, as well as the ICA, all serve different purposes, they're not above one another in authority.

Once again, Egypt will have to prove that Ethiopia is violating international law. Without that, its concerns will largely be ignored.

 

[vishwambhar]

Turkey and Israel have entered the chat

Yes Turkey and Israel already are..... But just their being strong doesn't make Egypt weaker.... All 3 are kings of Mediterranean....

 

[CrazyZ]

Alarming developments. Egypt is completely dependent on the Nile for water. In a region were water is scarce....hostilities are possible if Egypt water supply is reduced significantly, IMO.

I have argued for some time that Pakistan must have custom dam busting munitions at the ready if the Indians decide to break the Indus water treaty.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Ethiopia brings the water, Egypt needs the water but still Ethiopia should fill that reservoir slowly over 7 years. No need to hurt Egyptians. 4 years goes fast. Changing what nature made should be done as gently a possible sort of how nature usually does it.

Sisi should know that Ethiopia cannot take the water. Ethiopia can only slow or stop the water for a time.
Even blocked water will eventually accumulate and flow downhill to the sea as it has always done.

 

[T-SaGe]

I find Egypt's concerns justified. I cannot accept the destruction of a single Egyptian family's life because of the drought.

However, Egypt cannot solve this problem with threatening language.

 

[The SC]

So the UNSC and the ICJ, as well as the ICA, all serve different purposes, they're not above one another in authority.

Once again, Egypt will have to prove that Ethiopia is violating international law. Without that, its concerns will largely be ignored.

When the matter is peace or war the UNSC prevails..

I have provided some International laws concerning this subject..Ethiopia is clearly not respecting them..

Here again:

International law deals with the issue of methods and models for dividing international waters between the riparian states. The riparian states have concluded more than 300 treaties and agreements between them, and the United Nations reached the drafting of the Convention on the Law of the Use of International Watercourses in 1997, and among the most important treaties:

1- The Geneva Convention in 1923 It included:

A- Not to prejudice the rights of other countries in international rivers.

B - Each country enjoys, within the limits of the provisions of international law, the generation of electric energy.

C- The necessity of negotiations regarding the regulation of the exploitation of international waters.

D- The need for an organization to monitor and supervise public security in the international river basin.


2- The Declaration of the American States in 1933, which included several principles:

A- Recognition of the right of states to exploit their sovereignty over the waters of international rivers, both industrial and agricultural.

B - No country has the right to change the course of the international river without the approval of other riverine countries.

C- Any actions related to international waters, states should notify the countries concerned.

D- In case of disagreement, diplomatic methods and mediation must be resorted to.


Among the most important principles emerging from treaties and agreements in the use of international waters:

1- The river basin countries are prohibited from carrying out engineering constructions on the waterway that harm the water quotas of the other riparian countries.

2- Respect the rights acquired by each country in the waters of international rivers.

3- The importance of consultation and agreement between the countries of the river basin to take into account the rights of all countries.

4- Avoiding individual rights and preventing abuse of the right.

 

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[The SC]

What do you mean sign off on it? Ethiopia doesn't care if Egypt signs off on it or not. International affairs are based upon capability, not rhetoric. Diplomacy in this case dictates that Ethiopia takes Egypt's threats of war seriously, Ethiopia does not.

Unless Egypt can prove their claim, then they'll simply be ignored internationally by everyone but their closest allies.

Egypt wants Ethiopia to sign on its mouth promises fo the legalities and technicalities involved with the DAM.. Ethiopia refuses to sign.. while everyone in the international community is asking it to do it..

 

[That Guy]

Egypt wants Ethiopia to sign on its mouth promises fo the legalities and technicalities involved with the DAM.. Ethiopia refuses to sign.. while everyone in the international community is asking it to do it..

A)Ethiopia has no such obligation to do so.

B) can I get a link to the nations who're asking ethiopia to do so?

When the matter is peace or war the UNSC prevails..

I have provided some International laws concerning this subject..Ethiopia is clearly not respecting them..

Here again:

International law deals with the issue of methods and models for dividing international waters between the riparian states. The riparian states have concluded more than 300 treaties and agreements between them, and the United Nations reached the drafting of the Convention on the Law of the Use of International Watercourses in 1997, and among the most important treaties:

1- The Geneva Convention in 1923 It included:

A- Not to prejudice the rights of other countries in international rivers.

B - Each country enjoys, within the limits of the provisions of international law, the generation of electric energy.

C- The necessity of negotiations regarding the regulation of the exploitation of international waters.

D- The need for an organization to monitor and supervise public security in the international river basin.


2- The Declaration of the American States in 1933, which included several principles:

A- Recognition of the right of states to exploit their sovereignty over the waters of international rivers, both industrial and agricultural.

B - No country has the right to change the course of the international river without the approval of other riverine countries.

C- Any actions related to international waters, states should notify the countries concerned.

D- In case of disagreement, diplomatic methods and mediation must be resorted to.


Among the most important principles emerging from treaties and agreements in the use of international waters:

1- The river basin countries are prohibited from carrying out engineering constructions on the waterway that harm the water quotas of the other riparian countries.

2- Respect the rights acquired by each country in the waters of international rivers.

3- The importance of consultation and agreement between the countries of the river basin to take into account the rights of all countries.

4- Avoiding individual rights and preventing abuse of the right.

You provided international laws, yes, but you've failed to prove that Ethiopia is violating them.

The two points you highlighted don't forbid construction of a dam. Ethiopia has already said that Egypt's water supply will not be affected, and Egypt has so far failed to prove other wise.

Its is not a simple matter of simply saying Ethiopia is violating international law, the accusers must provide ample evidence of it.

Also, the "The Declaration of the American States in 1933" im pretty sure doesn't apply here, as it only encompasses North and South America.

As for the UNSC, this is a water dispute between two nations. If Egypt was serious and had evidence, they'd go to the ICA and sue.

Going to the UNSC does nothing, unless Egypt actually decides to take military action. In which case, Egypt will likely face swift backlash in the UNSC.