Advantages and disadvantages of the FC-1 / JF-17 for BAF

[TopCat]

Why no? You think BAF is buying Rafale , F-22 or F-35.

Typical fanboy mentality. I once see a fanboy ask Cambodia to buy US F-22 raptor instead of buying Chinese plane. The fanboy think Cambodia economy is trillion dollar. Fanboy will always daydream about printing money but reality is harsh. If you have a small economy , real military analyst have very practical solution.

Its easy for you to sit in front of computer to type nonsense that will not happen when budget is tight.


Quantity beats quality.

This plane has 80% of JF-17 capability but probably 50% of the price of its price and 50% maintenance fee of JF-17. Plus its twin seat which save cost for pilot transition and allow high level of efficient due to pilot constant handling.

The overall equation will equal this plane 50% more capabilites over JF-17 as you can buy double the amount and allow broaden tactics to defeat the enemy if with half the number of JF-17 compare to FTC-2000G.

Dude this plane will be a target practice in front of Rafael and Sukuis. Will you take pilots seat? BD already bought j-10 and exploring other Western option including Rafael or Typhoon.
Myanmar might try those plane as mass killing machine and never afraid of getting shot back as no ethnic army posses any plane.

 

[Beast]

Dude this plane will be a target practice in front of Rafael and Sukuis. Will you take pilots seat? BD already bought j-10 and exploring other Western option including Rafael or Typhoon.

LOL... You mean BD is going to fight France? IAF Rafale deal very likely will not materialise as not even a single screw has made yet.

What has Myanmar AF has? F-22, Rafale or Typhoon? By your theory, anything less than F-22 raptor will not be accepted for any airforce. I can bet 99% of global AF will closed down.

You buy what your nearby perceived threat and likely threat and not some fanboy nonsense claimed. You think Bangladesh has trillion US dollar economy?

 

[TopCat]

LOL... You mean BD is going to fight France? IAF Rafale deal very likely will not materialise as not even a single screw has made yet.

What has Myanmar AF has? F-22, Rafale or Typhoon? By your theory, anything less than F-22 raptor will not be accepted for any airforce. I can bet 99% of global AF will closed down.

You buy what your nearby perceived threat and likely threat and not some fanboy nonsense claimed. You think Bangladesh has trillion US dollar economy?

Tell you the truth bd does not take mm army seriously. We have to maintain some sort of parity with India.
In worst case scenario bd can just train few Rohingyas which itself will bring mm to knees.

 

[Beast]

Tell you the truth bd does not take mm army seriously. We have to maintain some sort of parity with India.
In worst case scenario bd can just train few Rohingyas which itself will bring mm to knees.

What superiority IAF has beside the overhype PESA Su-30MKI? Rafale I bet after 20 years will still not be delivered to IAF. PAFKA for IAF is as good as dead. Sure everybody likes the best but do you have the wallet for the best?

Buy within your limit. Acting like a fanboy calling for typhoon or F-35 is simply non practical.

 

[LKJ86]

Dude this plane will be a target practice in front of Rafael and Sukuis. Will you take pilots seat? BD already bought j-10 and exploring other Western option including Rafael or Typhoon.
Myanmar might try those plane as mass killing machine and never afraid of getting shot back as no ethnic army posses any plane.

" BD already bought j-10 "？？？

 

[rambro]

Dude this plane will be a target practice in front of Rafael and Sukuis. Will you take pilots seat? BD already bought j-10 and exploring other Western option including Rafael or Typhoon.
Myanmar might try those plane as mass killing machine and never afraid of getting shot back as no ethnic army posses any plane.

Hahaha dude what?

 

[UKBengali]

LOL... You mean BD is going to fight France? IAF Rafale deal very likely will not materialise as not even a single screw has made yet.

What has Myanmar AF has? F-22, Rafale or Typhoon? By your theory, anything less than F-22 raptor will not be accepted for any airforce. I can bet 99% of global AF will closed down.

You buy what your nearby perceived threat and likely threat and not some fanboy nonsense claimed. You think Bangladesh has trillion US dollar economy?

No, but BD has 300 billion US dollar economy growing at 8% a year.

Like already mentioned, BD needs aircraft that can handle India as Myanmar is no real threat.

Only aircraft that BD would be interested in purchasing from China would be J-10C.

 

[Nilgiri]

What superiority IAF has beside the overhype PESA Su-30MKI? Rafale I bet after 20 years will still not be delivered to IAF. PAFKA for IAF is as good as dead. Sure everybody likes the best but do you have the wallet for the best?

Buy within your limit. Acting like a fanboy calling for typhoon or F-35 is simply non practical.

They just hate to be reminded blankly of what (and how much) their little LDC craphole can afford and will thus likely settle for..... in contrast to the 1000's of threads here fantasizing about this and that (that get shelved eventually) that only actual countries that matter get. The same fantasy in their head plays out when they dream of "parity" with India when 3 times smaller myanmar shoved 1 million people into their behind in just a few weeks and they took it like a champ (that too with massive number of airspace violations by MM).

Literally 0 of them understand what C4I infra is and what is needed investment wise over decades to operate western aircraft.

Combine this with their new found underlying hate for China after you backed Myanmar against them....you can see for yourself what their reaction will be when BD bows it head and gets an economical chinese fighter (or at the very most something Russian and probably used/surplus with very little lethal weaponry)....because that will likely be what ends up happening, just like the refurbished training subs and other piecemeal acquisitions (with no actual dedicated networking or CnC infra...i.e the difficult part).

 

[bluesky]

Why no? You think BAF is buying Rafale , F-22 or F-35.

You do not have to show your arrogance because the BD economy is weak. No one claimed BAF will purchase European expensive planes. But, even with a weak economy, we choose our own planes and their sources according to our needs. The FTC-2000G is certainly below FC-1. FC-1 was not cordially welcomed in the international market except Pakistan whose posters here pretend JF-17 is made in Pakistan. Anyway, note the comments below from an internet source about both the planes:

"The FTC-2000G is aimed at a rung even lower than FC-1, offering less performance and capability at an even lower cost. While it is possible that China might find a buyer for the FTC-2000G, it is not going to be easy when even states such as Myanmar would prefer to purchase the much more capable and expensive Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker".

 

[Avicenna]

Why no? You think BAF is buying Rafale , F-22 or F-35.

Typical fanboy mentality. I once see a fanboy ask Cambodia to buy US F-22 raptor instead of buying Chinese plane. The fanboy think Cambodia economy is trillion dollar. Fanboy will always daydream about printing money but reality is harsh. If you have a small economy , real military analyst have very practical solution.

Its easy for you to sit in front of computer to type nonsense that will not happen when budget is tight.


Quantity beats quality.

This plane has 80% of JF-17 capability but probably 50% of the price of its price and 50% maintenance fee of JF-17. Plus its twin seat which save cost for pilot transition and allow high level of efficient due to pilot constant handling.

The overall equation will equal this plane 50% more capabilites over JF-17 as you can buy double the amount and allow broaden tactics to defeat the enemy if with half the number of JF-17 compare to FTC-2000G.

Watch who you call fanboy.

Just because China offers something for export doesn't mean theres a market for it.

J-8 was offered for export. No takers.

FC-20 aka J-10A also available. No takers. Unless you believe this rumor about Bangaldesh.

Whats clear is Bangladesh has a limited budget. That is something nobody denies.

Also whats clear is that Bangladesh has been a previous customer of Chinese fighters.

Also likely is the notion that Bangaldesh can not afford the expensive Eurocanards.

However, what exactly does the FTC-2000 bring to the table that FC-1 doesn't?

Bangladesh will likely end up with some Russian model or perhaps some J-10 variant if the rumors turn out to be true.

Also I will take quality over quantity any day.

 

[Bilal9]

However, what exactly does the FTC-2000 bring to the table that FC-1 doesn't?

My question exactly. The FC-1 is actually much more advanced and far newer in design than the FTC-2000, which is no more than a minimally re-hashed FT-7BGI with re-positioned intakes (a la the T-38 talon trainer) and optional GRIFO radar (as far as I recall). We already fly F-7BGI with glass cockpit, what QUALITATIVE difference (handling, agility, avionics) would the FTC-2000 offer?

Bangladesh may be poor, but the govt. and the people want to see the Air Force equip themselves with something better than the FTC-2000 for sure, even if it is the lower quality 'numbers' strength air support fighter requirement, rather than the requirement for the 'special quality' highly maneuverable, tactical, air superiority fighter.

 

[Amigator]

JFT block 2 is sufficient for BAF in every way. It has a broad weapon range covering sea, ground and aerial targets. It has IFR for extending range. Can engage an aerial target 100 km away. Can destroy a sea target 200 km away. Can be used for ground attacks. Can keep busy BAF in a good way. What else BAF need?

 

[TOTUU]

You do not have to show your arrogance because the BD economy is weak. No one claimed BAF will purchase European expensive planes. But, even with a weak economy, we choose our own planes and their sources according to our needs. The FTC-2000G is certainly below FC-1. FC-1 was not cordially welcomed in the international market except Pakistan whose posters here pretend JF-17 is made in Pakistan. Anyway, note the comments below from an internet source about both the planes:

"The FTC-2000G is aimed at a rung even lower than FC-1, offering less performance and capability at an even lower cost. While it is possible that China might find a buyer for the FTC-2000G, it is not going to be easy when even states such as Myanmar would prefer to purchase the much more capable and expensive Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker".

That guy doesn’t understand Bangladesh at all.Bangladesh needs a balance of power and the demand for quantity is not as high as in Pakistan. Pakistan needs to balance quantity and quality . India has bought Rafale, Myanmar has MiG-29 and will have Su-30 fighters, Bangladesh has to upgrade its equipment to match the threat . In fact, the number of fighters bought in Myanmar is very small, 32 MiG-29 and 6 Su-30.


In fact, almost all Asian countries are now upgrading their fighters.


JF-17 is not qualified for this role ，The J10D（J10C+Latest avionics and radar+more powerful vector engine） is probably possible. Although it is a single-engine fighter, it has good avionics and radar .

The price of the J10D fighter is not expensive. It is a single-engine fighter , the cost of use is low， Bangladesh can afford it . Bangladesh’s economy is developing very fast, and it is expected to reach 1 trillion US dollars of GDP in 2030 according to the current development speed.


China's per capita GDP 2004（1502$），2012（6337$）
Bangladesh per capita GDP 2017（1550$） 2025
Bangladesh’s GDP per capita is more than 6,000 US dollars, and GDP will exceed 1 trillion US dollars.

this is J10b+Vector engine .

 

[Beast]

Watch who you call fanboy.

Just because China offers something for export doesn't mean theres a market for it.

J-8 was offered for export. No takers.

FC-20 aka J-10A also available. No takers. Unless you believe this rumor about Bangaldesh.

Whats clear is Bangladesh has a limited budget. That is something nobody denies.

Also whats clear is that Bangladesh has been a previous customer of Chinese fighters.

Also likely is the notion that Bangaldesh can not afford the expensive Eurocanards.

However, what exactly does the FTC-2000 bring to the table that FC-1 doesn't?

Bangladesh will likely end up with some Russian model or perhaps some J-10 variant if the rumors turn out to be true.

Also I will take quality over quantity any day.

Sorry to disappoint you.

http://www.atimes.com/article/chinas-budget-jet-fighters-on-course-for-asian-airspace/

The state-owned Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC) indicated on its WeChat account earlier this week that it had a haul of orders from an unspecified Southeast Asian county for its FTC-2000G multipurpose aircraft, the export version of the J-7 interceptor jet that ceased production in 2013, which in turn was a license-built version of the Soviet Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21.

There is a great demand for this plane for budget AF who cannot afford a dedicated high end trainer and dedicated fighter/attacker. Your AF cannot just equipped with 6-7 fighter jets. At least 3-4 squadron size is needed for decent need. This FTC-2000G fulfils these countries need and is a reason why AVIC decided to build these FTC-2000G. A bunch of countries from ASEAN, African or even South America are eagerly waiting for these birds.

This fighter are ready in twin seat mode unlike JF-17 which twin seat mode is still in testing and will take many years to be ready. Twin seat mode allows training of pilot while at the same time able to convert to fighter jet for mission in just a switch. FTC-2000G is in service of PLAAF in hundreds which translate to low per piece production cost and maintenance. If you buy Typhoon or Su-30, their fly per hour is very expensive and therefore limits your pilot real hour training. Pilot will be ill trained in real life combat simulation exercise esepcially dogfight.

FTC-2000G can customise according to customers need with PESA, fire attack pod and ECM but that will depend on budget of AF. FTC-2000G with enlarged wingspan can carry more fuel and longer range compare to Mig-21, more pylon (7 hardpoint vs 5 hardpoint), 3000kg payload which is decent for modern era point blank defence and precision strike mission of 1-2 targets. FTC-2000G with DSI , cranked wing gives very good slow speed handling compare to pure delta MIg-21. Capable of pulling 8.5G which makes these bird very agile.

Quantity do have a advantage over quality as proven in WWII with US Sherman tank and T-34 defeat the heavier, better armour Panther 2 and KIng Tiger German tank. Same as in Gulf War 1 when 1600 coalition fighter jets defeat the 600 planes of the Iraqi AF. The coalition AF will never defeat Saddam Hussein if they have the same number of fighter jets. Casualty will mount for coalition and they will fold.

 

[LKJ86]

The state-owned Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC) indicated on its WeChat account earlier this week that it had a haul of orders from an unspecified Southeast Asian county for its FTC-2000G multipurpose aircraft, the export version of the J-7 interceptor jet that ceased production in 2013, which in turn was a license-built version of the Soviet Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21.

Do you mean that the unspecified Southeast Asian country is Bangladesh???