45 More MiG 29K for Indian Navy.

[Icewolf]

(counting our base in Tajikistan )

1 squardon of Mig-29... Lol. That will be headache to PAF.

 

[Hello_10]

Since we are talking about carrier fighters, I want to know when will the construction of IAC-2 start, since now even the requirements are not given by the navy & we are talking about it's commissioning in 2017??

Most likely within a year/18 months of IAC-1 being completed/commissioned. Commisiong will poorly be ~2018/19, 2017 is a maybe but a huge long shot.

2017 for IAC-1 is close to reality and for IAC-2, I would say by 2022 or 2025m but it will be a bigger one, even if it will not be a Super Carrier. IAC-2 is still in design phase

 

[Abingdonboy]

2017 for IAC-1 is close to reality and for IAC-2, I would say by 2022 or 2025m but it will be a bigger one, even if it will not be a Super Carrier. IAC-2 is still in design phase

I think this is too pessimistic as much of the work on IAC-1 is done as we have but of course given this is the first home-built ACC there is bound to be delays so the 2014 induction timeline may get pushed but all the knowledge gleaned from IAC-1 will feed straight back into the IAC-2 and all subsequent indigenous ACCs so the build time for IAC-2 should be much less, maybe 3-4 years (considering USN carriers take 4-5 years to build from scratch) so 2017-20 is, at the very least, a possibility if even a little remote.

 

[Agent_47]

think again, for Rafale as it won't be in service till 2020 as explained above, if not later. and think again for F35 also, as per the news we are getting as below:

You cant blindly say that,IAC 2 is only expected after 2017-18.we could place a separate order for 45 Rafales to produce in france as our production line will be busy with IAF.France can produce 45 rafales in two to three years.Also about training,IN and IAF works.and we can expect IAC II in fully operational at 2021-22.[as you said above]
In 2018 IAF will only have < 50 rafales for sure.

In case of F35,as i stated earlier it is only worth for our LPDs in < 30 numbers.

 

[Hello_10]

I think this is too pessimistic as much of the work on IAC-1 is done as we have but of course given this is the first home-built ACC there is bound to be delays so the 2014 induction timeline may get pushed but all the knowledge gleaned from IAC-1 will feed straight back into the IAC-2 and all subsequent indigenous ACCs so the build time for IAC-2 should be much less, maybe 3-4 years (considering USN carriers take 4-5 years to build from scratch) so 2017-20 is, at the very least, a possibility if even a little remote.

look, defense arms manufacturing have too many issues that a delay of 3-4 years than the expected timeline is nothing. have a look on LCA, it was supposed to be inducted in IAF at the same time as JF17 in Pakistan in 2010, the minimum. but then they thought they may still improve its capabilities with more input from other nations, they first selected GE F404 for LCA mack-1 but now they want GE F414 etc, and all these upgrades for LCA mack2 will take its induction to 2015, if no more than this. while we heard even pakistan will have got JF17 blk2 till then? thats why IAF thought to buy few of LCA mack1 even if they want to keep working for mach 2 as long as they want

even INS Vikramaditya was supposed to be inducted by 2008 but too many issues including upgraded techs, the techs which itself keep changing after every 2-3 years? so i would bet, IAC-1 must not be inducted in IN before 2017 and the way they are struggling to make IAC-2 to be capable for at least 60+ fixed wing aircrafts, with considering option of nuclear powered carrier similar to proposed for russia itself as below, we may expect it to be as capable as Ulyanovsk which was capable of carrying 70+ fixed wing aircrafts with latest techs. and its obvious that more the option you consider in design phase of IAC-2, more the delay, as even russia doesnt expect this type of AC before 2023?


Russia to build nuclear aircraft carrier by 2023 | Defense | RIA Novosti

 

[keerthan]

OMG.. IAC-1 construction started way back in 2005 and is still going on ?

its actual construction started in 2009 not 2005 dude and it will be commisioned in 2014

Will love to have Rafale-M.....

for IAC-2 i think navy is seriously considering Rafale becoz it will have steam catapult also and it will be around 60000 tonne carrier

 

[Icewolf]

as even russia doesnt expect this type of AC before 2023?


Russia to build nuclear aircraft carrier by 2023 | Defense | RIA Novosti

can you tell me what nuclear aircraft carrier is?

 

[Hello_10]

can you tell me what nuclear aircraft carrier is?

im not a defence professional who working in any defence industry. i just read different news and if i remember something i have read somewhere about any topic on discussion, i bring that news. thats it

its about "nuclear powered aircraft carrier", which would be similar to INS Arihant but it would be of the class of a front line nuclear AC like russia has planned, with few more advanced techs than the current ones in world, we expect

India can make N-powered aircraft carrier: Kakodkar - Times Of India


you may do research on it as below:

The Complete Catalog of the World's Nuclear Powered Ships - Commercial and Military

World's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, 'the Big E' makes final voyage | Fox News

 

[manofwar]

1 squardon of Mig-29... Lol. That will be headache to PAF.

Considering, you only have a hundred of F-16 and JF 17's combined right now(The only as or more capable fighter), it might as well be a migrane........
And with with most of this force engaged on the eastern sector, only old Mirages will be left to engage with these 21 Mg-29 SMT's

 

[Black Widow]

1 squardon of Mig-29... Lol. That will be headache to PAF.

Its not bout 1 Squadron, Its about guarding east and west front at same time... 20-25 4.5 gen fighters are really a huge headache fro any nation...

 

[manofwar]

any link ....

misquoted the sources..............my mistake
It is 50 N-LCA Mk.1
Indian Navy fastens its seatbelt for Light Combat Aircraft Tejas - Bangalore - DNA
And 46 N-LCA Mk. 2
Security October Issue
As for the Naval involvement in AMCA, the only major proof is substantial contribution of funding from the Naval budget...........As for N-AMCA, there is a whole thread on that............
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/95659-navy-keen-amca-project.html

 

[tvsram1992]

1 squardon of Mig-29... Lol. That will be headache to PAF.

Yes of course , ask your AF if you dont agree . Tajak base ensures that attack may be from north , valuable resources will be directed to north , which is reducing threat to mainland . 20 aircrafts can be a real threat . Its like attack from ACC , as not all aircrafts on ACC will be used for strike

 

[Alphacharlie]

Yes of course , ask your AF if you dont agree . Tajak base ensures that attack may be from north , valuable resources will be directed to north , which is reducing threat to mainland . 20 aircrafts can be a real threat . Its like attack from ACC , as not all aircrafts on ACC will be used for strike

Sunny Jim lets not Underestimate your enemy "Sun Tzu"

 

[sancho]

Can mig 29 take off from vikramaditya ACC with full load on (fuel and weapons)? I mean the same way it does from ground airstrips.

No, ski-jump take off will reduce the payload by far. These fighters might take off with very limited fuel only, to take more weapons and get refuelled after take off again. That's why this capability will be highly important:

This if true would hurt some Rafale fanboy who told we went for Mig29k just because we dont have any other option .

If true, it has no relation to Rafale, because Rafale would be procured for IAC 2 only. So just like the follow order of 29, this would be a follow order for commonality reasons and would mainly effect the numbers of N-LCAs, if not kill it completelly. The Mig was procured as a combined order and would have completely failed in a competition, but I still prefer more of the Ks for IN, instead to N-LCAs.

then wait for 4-5 years until they will have made its production line in India with having proposed upgrades including more powerful AESA radar etc etc. while right now 9 Mig29k in being delivered to you per year right now, and delivery rate is expected to be increased by next 1-2 years as per this new expected deal of 45 more.

You do know that IN is facing massive delays in regard of the delivery of Migs and the carrier from Russia because of costoveruns, production and development problems right? What you say would have been true if these fighters could have been used in operational service some years ago, but not today anymore. We get Mig 29Ks with limited capabilities, Zhuk ME radar at the same time when first Rafale F3+ will be delivered, not to mention that the F18SHs are available for a long time, but simply can't be used from these carriers at the moment. So there is neither any advantage of Russian production capability here, nor are the costs reasonable, if we take the lack of capability into account too.

From Russian point of view, it would be better to thank India to remain with the order and not have cancelled it long ago, because Russia is the main beneficiary of this deal. All the funds for the carrier, as well as the developent and production of the Migs made it possible for Russia to keep docks and aircraft manufacturers alive.

Btw, these are for IN, not IAF and IN never operated any Migs, so they have to train pilots, ground crews and set up new logistics anyway, no matter which fighter they procure.

 

[shree835]

1 squardon of Mig-29... Lol. That will be headache to PAF.

Come to the topic please.